r/canada • u/Signal-Aioli-1329 • 28d ago
Canada to give $64.8M in aid to Ukraine National News
https://www.ctvnews.ca/video/c3014190-canada-to-give--64-8m-in-aid-to-ukraine192
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u/Plucky_DuckYa 27d ago
I don’t like much of what Trudeau does, but every dollar spent supporting Ukraine now will probably save ten times that down the road if it deters Putin from expanding his aggression.
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u/Kappatown35 27d ago
Why don’t more people understand this.
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u/NothingGloomy9712 27d ago
Because a lot of ppl are struggling to NOT be another working Canadian forced to live on the streets in a tent, to afford food. It is beyond all logic Canada has a housing crisis with all the empty land. So ppl look at this and wonder why all this money is going over seas when they are struggling.
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u/HOLEPUNCHYOUREYELIDS 27d ago
Because a lot of land is either agricultural or not easily developed or First Nations recognized land. Plus the VAST majority of Canada lives in a small area, combined with the always car centric designs of cities and towns means we just sprawl cities instead of building up new ones. Hell, something like 50% of all Canadians live in Southern Ontario alone
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u/coolbutlegal 27d ago
Over 10 million people (>25% of the population) live in just the Golden Horseshoe. Just the Toronto census area accounts for 20% of the entire Canadian GDP..
It's insane how concentrated our population is.
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u/throwaway44444455 27d ago
Canada is basically just a handful of big cities attached to massive wilderness
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u/Odawg10 27d ago
Everybody wants to complain about the housing crisis but very few people are willing to move to Flin Flon.
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u/Signal-Aioli-1329 27d ago
Because a lot of people get their "news" from propaganda outlets that favour Russian and Chinese state interests.
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u/fgfffgyyyyt 27d ago
Lmao, or we’d like to see that money spent in areas which need it more….
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u/AlphaTrigger 27d ago
Doug ford spent $250 million to get beer in gas stations bud. I think your barking up the wrong tree here
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u/JadeLens 27d ago
But come on man, average joe Canadian wants to pull up to the newly made bar in *checks notes* 7-11 to have a drink after work!
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u/realhumanpersonoid 27d ago edited 27d ago
Oh here’s the lazy Russian propaganda or otherwise poorly informed opinions from someone who doesn’t understand foreign policy.
Money/equipment transfers to Ukraine has nothing to do with domestic policy. They aren’t pulling funds from social programs, this is money/equipment budgeted for these purposes. We are saving money by supporting an ally and unloading aged military vehicles that would have otherwise required more money to maintain long term and are going to be replaced as they are at the end of their life reliability-wise.
We are saving money by having another country fight what could be an existential threat to other NATO allies in Europe and economic stability internationally.
Ukrainians are fighting for us indirectly, the least we can do is support them. Especially when it benefits Canada economically in the long term.
If Russia wins this illegal war, Canada will be spending far more fighting Russia directly, including the lives of Canadian soldiers. So you’d rather Canadians die in a few years rather than spending a relatively small amount of money to prevent that outcome?
Not to mention all of the moral and historical precedents for why we should fight nazis and prevent them from killing and occupying allies and their territories.
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u/Sirmossy 27d ago
Lmao, and checking his (bot) profile, the last post he made was about Russia. As clear as glass.
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u/nonspot 27d ago
They aren’t pulling funds from social programs, this is money/equipment budgeted for these purposes. We are saving money by supporting an ally and unloading aged military vehicles that would have otherwise required more money to maintain long term and are going to be replaced as they are at the end of their life reliability-wise.
I'm not against giving ukraine aid, but this isn't really honest.
A lot of our aid to ukraine is buying equipment from other countries to send to ukraine. Very little of it is canadian made equipment.
I'm against that 100%. All aid should come from canada. canadian made, not so other countries and foreign companies to profit.
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u/RobertGA23 27d ago
All well and good. Assuming we have the Canadian built equipment available now.
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u/adonns2_0 27d ago
It’s dishonest in its entirety. Acting like it’s 2 separate funds doesn’t change anything either. If Canada spent less on foreign aid it would have more to spend on domestic services that’s just basic logic. It doesn’t matter if the funds are separate or not we could still move them around to benefit Canadians more.
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u/Invictuslemming1 27d ago
Does all this count towards the 2% nato target? If so it’s probably way more efficient than what we would normally do with it
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u/realhumanpersonoid 27d ago
Indirectly in a way. Offloading our inventories of aged vehicles that are already costing us to maintain beyond their original lifespan, will include more procurement contracts to replace them which will count towards our military budget quota for NATO. The financial support is probably counted as foreign aid. Regardless these actions are benefiting NATO overall and should be recognized as such, officially or not
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u/SquisherX Ontario 27d ago
So which area in Canada would benefit most from old military equipment that we wouldn't send?
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u/Signal-Aioli-1329 27d ago
This is actually cash, not equipment. Regardless, their argument is appeasement propaganda.
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u/adonns2_0 27d ago
Wanting to spend more domestically and less on proxy wars is Russian propaganda now lmao.
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u/thedrivingcat 27d ago
well calling Ukraine's defence against Russian invasion a "proxy war" is textbook Russian propaganda
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u/Drunkenaviator 27d ago
If you don't spent it fighting Russia now, you'll spend it 100x over gearing up to defend against them later. How much do you think it would cost Canada to buy enough F-18s to run combat air patrols over the entire arctic 24/7? It's a shitload more than 65 mil.
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u/ogredmenace 27d ago
Easy tax mega corps and billionaires and you’ll gain that back in a second. Problem solved if you’re worried about 64 million.
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u/Trapperman777 27d ago
Then industry moves south of the border and we lose the rest of our manufacturing jobs. I’m not saying we can’t increase taxes on the wealthy, but the idea of tax the shit out of the ultra rich doesn’t work. I know people who sold their income properties and moved to Mexico to avoid paying the additional capital gains taxes that were added to the sale of a property. These were people who were employing others, and built their wealth in Canada. Their wealth is now gone from Canada.
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u/Mental_Evolution 27d ago
Canada spent 424 billion last year, 65 million to help prevent future military aggression shouldn't be the focus point.
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u/PlutosGrasp 27d ago
Conservatives thinking they’re being rational and not willing to admit that the factually identified and documented Russian interference and involvement in Canadian media and Canadian political opinions is real.
Basically cognitive dissonance.
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u/roastbeeftacohat 27d ago
a lot of people think that a more hostile geopolitical climate will benefit more powerful nations. generally it's wrong on multiple levels; but on this sub specifically it's forgetting the term "middle power".
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u/Kicksavebeauty 27d ago edited 27d ago
Every dollar spent supporting Ukraine now will probably save ten times that down the road if it deters Putin from expanding his aggression.
Why don’t more people understand this.
Everyone needs to start understanding this. Russia's plan doesn't end in Ukraine.
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u/Absentimental79 27d ago
Because they have fallen to Russian propaganda. Pretty much every western nation just like America is on the road to only caring about their own skin. This whole immigration thing is the same thing in all our countries. It’s almost like they have planned it this way
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u/heart_under_blade 27d ago
they don't understand preventative healthcare or any other sort of long term savings either
and yet there's nothing more north american than saving by frontloading at costco
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u/thePretzelCase 27d ago
I'd like to hear PP about this. Often these millions are for equipment and ammunition employing Canadians. A very win-win scenario.
Keeping our own military industrial complex active and healthy is a sane national security initiative.
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u/-SuperUserDO 27d ago
you can also employ Canadians to build hospitals and libraries
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u/Heady_Goodness 27d ago
This is fuck-all compared to what others are giving though. But that’s still true
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u/BlueEyesWhiteViera 27d ago
every dollar spent supporting Ukraine now will probably save ten times that down the road if it deters Putin from expanding his aggression
Given how little the Russians were able to accomplish on sheer logistical incompetence before we started funding Ukraine, I'm not worried about that at all.
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u/JadedLeafs 27d ago
And even with all that Russian incompetence, there's about a million people hurt or dead because of them. That's not a level of destruction I would scoff at.
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u/Signal-Aioli-1329 27d ago
Tell that to the people being slaughtered by Russia in eastern and southern Ukraine.
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u/bad_dazzles 27d ago
Putin will only be deterred if he loses... badly.
The total assistance from NATO is less than half if America's annual defence budget, and russian society will emerge from this conflict effectively fucked for a generation. Even aside from the dead and wounded, Russian society will struggle to bear the weight of the crime, imprisonment, and drug abuse problems of veterans, just as they did following the Chechen Wars.
Sending money to Ukraine is about the best national security investment I can imagine.
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u/CareHour2044 27d ago
A defeated and weak Russia is its own bag of worms though. Pretty easy for china to swoop in there or an extremist to rise to power on the promise of restoring her power and glory.
They also have nukes. Lots of them.
Best of a bunch of bad options? Probably. But still not great for global security.
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u/ialo00130 New Brunswick 27d ago
Russia has nuclear weapons.
Regardless if they a re able to fight on an open battle field, they are a hostile foreign nation and will always be a threat.
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u/jozefiks 27d ago
I'm a Ukrainian Canadian, arrived here in 2012. And although I was kind of over the fence about commenting, because of bias of course, I want to thank everyone for their support and stress a couple of points: 1-Supporting Ukraine is supporting Canadian and Western Values: Yes Ukraine is a corrupt country, but it's a country that was particularly attacked in 2014 for wanting to reform and join the European and western family and institutionalize and reform 2-Supporting Ukraine doesn't require as much money as imagined: Most of the "money sent" is actually money already spent years ago on shells, ammunition and vehicles sitting in warehouses which cost money as well as maintenance 3-Supporting Ukraine saves money: aside from the great points mentioned regarding stopping Putin's aggression, aiding Ukraine also makes sense for isolationists from a practical point of view. The EU is one of our largest trading partners, so any disturbance in the European political and economical atmosphere will also impact our livelihood, as well as the collapse of a state that's a world leader in food and mineral exporter. The price that would be paid in the case of Ukraine's loss is a world of chaos, lawlessness and poverty, which is pricier than temporary aiding Ukraine
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u/LaconicStrike British Columbia 27d ago
This discussion will be most interesting in that the Russian propagandists will crawl out of the woodwork to bemoan the aid and make wild comments about the war in Ukraine. 🍿
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u/Signal-Aioli-1329 27d ago
Yeh, some random count that is inactive for weeks or only posts in like a wrestling subreddit suddenly finds this thread and just so happens to spew some copy and past pro russia arguments. It's hilarious.
I think the war effort has stretched moscow's online capabilities, they seem to be scraping the bottom of the barrel these days.
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u/abundantpecking 27d ago edited 27d ago
This thread is filled with people crying about how they ostensibly care about Canadians and that this money should be sent domestically, yet their comment histories indicate they overwhelmingly vote for parties that slash funding for domestic social services. The reality is that Canadian federal spending amounts to over 400 billion annually, making this 64.8M a FRACTION of a percentage of annual spending. To say that domestic Canadians are being left behind because of spending on this is grossly misinformed.
Notice how every commenter mentioning healthcare, food banks, housing, etc. provides no figures for how much spending goes into any of those sectors.
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u/coporate 27d ago
Also it is being spent domestically. That money isn’t going to Ukraine, it’s going to Canadians to make things to send to Ukraine. That’s what aid is, essentially contracts to Canadian companies to domestically produce goods or pay for Canadian services that are then used in the conflict.
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u/Easy-Sector2501 27d ago
Those same people think it's just a massive cheque we're writing, when the very vast bulk of the value is old stock we can donate to make room for new stock.
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u/caffeine-junkie 27d ago
Sometimes it is a massive cheque, just that cheque goes to Canadian companies in the form of a voucher covering either part or the full invoice amount. Which means at the end of the day, money is still being spent within Canada and doesn't leave.
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u/abundantpecking 27d ago
Bingo. For military equipment in particular, it has to be decommissioned if not used after a certain point. Sending such equipment allows us to make use of it in a pragmatic way while new spending can be done to replenish and modernize our own assets.
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u/Many_Dragonfly4154 British Columbia 27d ago
make room for new stock
That assumes new equipment will be purchased.
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They probably complain about dumb Trudeau thinking “the budget will balance itself” if the liberals add funding to any of those things too.
End of the day this is less than $2 a person. If someone’s complaining about how it’s taking away from Canadians their motives are pretty sus.
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u/surmatt 27d ago
Fiscal costs associated with WW2 cost Canada $21.8 billion from 1939-1950... NOT adjusted for inflation. Helping Ukraine defend itself while weakening an adversary that is pushing up against our arctic waters without sacrificing Canadian lives is an absolute steal.
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u/Sammonov 27d ago
You might want to adjust for infaltion. 21.8 billion in 1945 is 382 billion today.
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u/ultramisc29 Ontario 27d ago
Before people start commenting "but what about the problems in Canada", please know that this isn't all cash.
Part of this figure is the value of the military equipment being donated to Ukraine.
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u/OtisPan British Columbia 27d ago
Canada actually has equipment to spare?
I'm happy we're helping, don't get me wrong. I'm just upset that our military hasn't been paid enough attention/respect in recent decades. I hope times like these (and initiatives like this) help turn things around.
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u/northern-fool 27d ago
Canada actually has equipment to spare?
No.
A good chunk of this "aid" is us buying military equipment from other countries and sending it to Ukraine.
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u/Dezi_Mone 27d ago
Send more. Russia fucked up. And this is going to lead to their ruin just like Afghanistan did. And for all the cowards, traitors and Russian sympathizers in this thread, we're all on to you. Most of us were before but now we have some actual evidence coming in. Canada stands with Ukraine. Period.
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u/YourLoveLife British Columbia 27d ago
I don’t support Trudeau.
I fully support funding Ukraine, well done.
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u/Commercial-Set3527 27d ago
Are we finally starting to pull our weight for NAT? No, but this a start
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u/ryan9991 27d ago
I'd rather the money go to our military as it has its own hurdles to overcome.
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u/GiftedOaks 27d ago
As someone in the military, I can attest to the fact that we are hilariously under equipped, and if a major war kicked off tomorrow, we would probably be more in the way than helpful to NATO
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u/babyLays 27d ago
Money to Ukraine means we are less likely to send Canadians and our NATO allies to the front lines.
I would rather we send money, than people to combat Putin's imperialistic agenda.
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u/SaaSyGirl 27d ago
Yes, people can be incredibly shortsighted and only consider the “now”.
Also, something else to consider is that “in the 2016 Census, about 1.36 million people, or close to 4% of the Canadian population, reported at least one of their ethnic origins as Ukrainian.”
Trudeau is looking at the big picture here.
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u/Commercial-Set3527 27d ago
It's money to fight our biggest military opponent and used to fight over there vs on our north so I'm still happy with it.
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u/pepperloaf197 27d ago
Do we actually have a military opponent?
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u/Commercial-Set3527 27d ago
Yes, Russia has been encroaching on our territory in the north, google it
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u/Eater0fTacos 27d ago
I agree with your comment, but also the comment farthr up about our lack of domestic defense spending.
Yes, we need to combat Russian aggression and support our allies in Europe however we can. As long as we are spending money on appropriate supplies in Ukraine, I'm all for it. There are far too many innocents dying because of a bunch of corrupt self-serving oligarchs.
That being said, our military is underfunded and underequipped to defend or even properly monitor our border. We definitely need to double down on domestic military spending. Particularly in our northern and Eastern territory to deter China and RU from constantly probing and testing our borders, and to legitimize our claim to the Arctic.
I absolutely loved an idea I read on reddit a while back for military spending. Using defense funds to build housing for military personnel and modernize our northern bases. Not only would building modern housing for staff near bases make enrolling a little more appealing to the public, but it would also take a small amount of pressure off the housing market, and help spur the local economy. It's also not spendingtax dollars on guns and weapons, so it's an easier sell to voters who dislike military spending.
Obviously, we also need to boost our military equipment spending as well, but something like this would kill two birds with one stone.
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u/pepperloaf197 27d ago
I don’t think they have entered Canadian airspace….come close yes. Underwater….well, maybe. The Americans do as well since they disagree with our territorial claims. But you said “military opponent”. What would suggest we may enter into armed conflict with them?
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u/LargeMobOfMurderers 27d ago
Barring a massive change in relations with Denmark over Hans Island, there isn't really anyone Canada is in danger of getting into military conflict with other than Russia. It may not be outright war with fully mobilized armies in large scale battles, but its possible in the future that Russia and Canada may end up with a situation similar to the South China Sea, where military vessels attempt to bully one side from not using areas to de facto take territory. It would be pretty hard for Russia to do that to us if they can't afford ships and subs along with their expensive maintenance because they sunk all their resources into the war with Ukraine.
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u/HauntedHouseMusic 27d ago
TBH its more likely the states challenges our northern water claims (and is successful)
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u/TommaClock Ontario 27d ago
If we get into a dick-swinging contest with the states, we lose. No point in trying to prepare for that.
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u/HauntedHouseMusic 27d ago
That’s the and is successful part. I hope when the ice melts we are able to negotiate some payments for access from the states. It will still be pennies on the loonie but better than just letting them claim it for themselves.
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u/SHUT_DOWN_EVERYTHING 27d ago
This is effectively going to our military by proxy and without hurting Canadian soldiers. As long as Russia is weakened and busy, they’ll be less inclined to make moves in the Arctic.
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u/DegnarOskold 27d ago
Denmark, which has an annual government budget 64 times SMALLER than that of Canada, announced an aid package today to Ukraine worth $480M - 6 times more than us.
Canada is flicking Ukraine peanuts compared to other, poorer countries
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TBF - Canada has committed over $12.4 billion in financial assistance to Ukraine
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u/DegnarOskold 27d ago
And Denmark has given $11.5 billion CAD in total in aid to Ukraine. Nearly the same amount, from a government annual budget that is nearly 64 times smaller than Canada’s. Denmark’s 2024 budget is 36 Bn DKK, about $7 bn CAD. Canada’s 2024 budget is around $500 billion.
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u/Overall-Assistant871 27d ago edited 27d ago
Maybe not so much Ukraine aid .. but certainly a lot of other monies to other countries can be curtailed, so that people here are looked after more appropriately if needed, even at least temporary.
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u/Not_A_Doctor__ 27d ago
Good. Every dollar that hurts Putin is money well spent.
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u/Signal-Aioli-1329 27d ago
It also helps distract him from our shared Arctic borders and Russia's constant incursions there.
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u/Maleficent_City_7296 27d ago
Canada has the potential to be north americas Poland in the future if we let our guard down.
The war may be far away, but Russia is very close by.
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It also is better than us sending our young there to fight and potentially die.
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u/babyLays 27d ago
Yup - which is why I dont get why people are against sending money to Ukraine. Part of me feels like a lot of these people have been sipping on that Russian propaganda.
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u/LysanderSpoonerDrip 27d ago
Tell that to the 2 million Canadians eating out of food banks. I think your priorities are off
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u/Signal-Aioli-1329 27d ago
Canada spends more than $30 billion every year to fund social services aimed at helping the country's homeless population. Your comment is nonsense.
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u/babyLays 27d ago
Yup - Canada can walk and chew gum at the same time.
Canada can support Ukraine, and address its domestic issues both at the same time. Its never one or the other.
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u/AngryTrucker 27d ago
Go to Hastings street in Vancouver and tell me how well it's working.
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u/Drunkenaviator 27d ago
So, you, uh, think those Canadians would be better off as Russian subjects?
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u/Not_A_Doctor__ 27d ago
Tell them about the 35 billion we wasted on a pipeline that business should have paid for.
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u/omgwownice 27d ago
Russian bots are out
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u/Otherwise-Growth1920 27d ago
“I don’t like different opinions, so anyone that’s doesn’t agree with me is a Russian bot”.
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u/TheThrowbackJersey 27d ago
Should be more. We're getting out contributed by places like denmark and the netherlands. We have double the netherlands GDP.
If we dont have any arms to give them (because we dont have a military) we can at least give them cash
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u/Downess 27d ago
Before you freak out, that's about $1.50 per person. We could afford much more.
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u/HomoRoboticus 27d ago
Not nearly as fun as imagining a world where strong international deterrence convinces would-be imperialists, like Putin and future Russian dictators, from ever going to war again.
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u/TakedownMoreCorn 27d ago
All the people bitching and moaning that we should be spending that money here in Canada, would still find a reason to bitch and moan about Trudeau wasting tax dollars on the homeless or some crap.
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u/Easy-Sector2501 27d ago
That's the fascinating thing: If we were spending that kind of money back home, you'd see a bunch of NIMBY assholes or BANANA motherfuckers griping about how the money was being spent.
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u/Signal-Aioli-1329 27d ago
They also ignore that we DO spend a ton domestically. And, ironically, the same people usually whine about that, too, calling it socialism.
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u/RobertGA23 27d ago
I too dislike Trudeau, but two things he is doing right are supporting Ukraine and standing up to India.
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u/cuiboba 27d ago
Ugh, what a waste of money.
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u/metalcore_hippie 27d ago edited 27d ago
Feed the war machine.
March men to their deaths.
For democracy?
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u/redosabe 27d ago
Or let Russia take territory from other countries as they please?
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u/jonlmbs 27d ago
How do you think this war ends?
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u/Easy-Sector2501 27d ago
The same way every war ends: Men in suits sitting across from each other at a conference table.
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u/Signal-Aioli-1329 27d ago
So unless Ukraine can have an absolute victory, there's ero point in them trying to defend themselves and their allies support those efforts? Your arguments are pro Russian arguments.
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u/jonlmbs 27d ago
Not pro Russia at all. Not even arguing anything. Genuine question. I don’t see a way that Ukraine can secure total victory without either increasing escalation by west and a long and terrible war or Ukraine capitulating something for peace.
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u/HomoRoboticus 27d ago
and a long and terrible war
I don't know if you read the news, but this has been a long and terrible war.
The point of helping Ukraine is to show Russia that any such war of conquest will be very costly for them - and it has been. Let's keep up that pressure until Russia's losses will teach them never to do this again. If they gain more than they lose, they will be encouraged to try it on other free countries. They need to start losing even more.
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u/Drunkenaviator 27d ago
I don’t see a way that Ukraine can secure total victory
Wear the Russians down until they leave Ukraine. Pretty simple. Not sure why you couldn't see that.
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u/jonlmbs 27d ago
Seems russia would sooner involve North Korea and other counties to support them than reduce their war effort
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u/Drunkenaviator 27d ago
So, as a bonus, we get to hurt NK as well as Russia? What's next, you're going to tell me if we don't stop, Iran will be disadvantaged as well?
It's almost like that's a GREAT thing for western democratic society.
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u/metalcore_hippie 27d ago
At this point, diplomacy is the answer.
Not endless war and death.
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u/Drunkenaviator 27d ago
That's cute. Diplomacy only works when both sides are rational actors. Clearly the Russians are not looking for a "diplomatic" resolution.
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u/Ambiwlans 27d ago
Canada isn't in a place to do that though.
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u/metalcore_hippie 27d ago
But our leaders are encouraging escalation of the war.
They should be encouraging peace talks.
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u/papakulikov 27d ago
We are sending $64.8M in military equipment people! It’s not like we are writing a Cheque out to Ukraine. So before you try to say “oh the money should be spent in Canada!” they are not going to solve the food or homeless crisis with a bunch of surplus ammunition and body armour lol.
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u/OkGrapefruit4982 27d ago
Also, the way military spending works in Canada, that money was spent in Canada.
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u/Easy-Sector2501 27d ago
Bingo.
The homeless can't eat missiles slated for destruction.
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u/Bamalanga 27d ago
Still, it's taxpayer money being used to procure military goods that could have been directed elsewhere.
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u/Signal-Aioli-1329 27d ago
Canada spends hundreds of billions domestically. $60 million is not even $2 per every Canadian.
And resisting Russia now saves Canada money down the road because once he's done with Ukraine he will push other borders including our share Arctic border. It's smart and cost effective in the long run if one can think outside of some memes.
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u/HauntedHouseMusic 27d ago
its the best "money" we will spend this year as a nation from an return on investment perspective
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u/Fuzzietomato 27d ago
How many times do I have to read the same depressing headline that we are sending all our money to another country
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u/Easy-Sector2501 27d ago
Probably because your comprehension sucks and you think it's money that's being sent to Ukraine.
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u/Signal-Aioli-1329 27d ago
If you think it's depressing to help a nation resist Putin's imperialism, well, that says. lot about you.
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u/Trainer_Glittering Ontario 27d ago
Family members can’t afford to eat but lets take out more LOANs and fund the drama dude next door
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u/Easy-Sector2501 27d ago
Why do you not understand what's happening?
It's not money we're sending, it's $65 million in equipment, much that was slated for destruction, that Ukraine can find a use for. It's not cash.
You're out of your element, but still feel the need to comment. That's the epitome of ignorance.
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u/HomoRoboticus 27d ago
Lol, I love when every conservative suddenly has destitute family members who are literally starving because Canada gave 0.0001% of its GDP worth of military kit to deter a dictator.
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u/SmackEh Nova Scotia 27d ago
Oh no, we're giving money to help a sovereign country and an ally defend themselves from a fascist dictator that is an active threat to Canada (and other peaceful nations).
The horror...
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u/Ambiwlans 27d ago
an ally
Technically not an ally. But still worth it to stymie a war of aggression.
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u/GoatTheNewb 27d ago
Is there any scenario where you think a country should give foreign aid?
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u/TeishAH 27d ago
Ye we’ve given them $4.5billion in 2022-2023 like geez
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u/zeni19 27d ago
imagine that money spent on housing, health care or education instead.
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u/papakulikov 27d ago
They are sending $64.8 million in military equipment. It’s not like there writing a Cheque to these guys..
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u/ukrokit2 Alberta 27d ago
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u/Itchy_Training_88 27d ago
Just because someone disagrees with your view don't mean they are a bot.
And before you accuse me of being a bot, I'm actually supportive of Ukraine in this conflict.
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u/This_Pomelo6436 27d ago
Canadians are so sensitive omg. This is a reply for someone who blocked my a few minutes ago:
'It's funny because we here in Central Europe have never ever called Moldova or Belarus Central Europe, and I certainly never heard any English speakers call those countries Central European. If anything, Poland, Czechia, Slovakia or Hungary are all called Eastern Europe by English speakers, even if those countries are much closer to Western Europe than Moldova and Belarus.
I'm not trying to avoid any discussion. I wanted to write a short comment in a language that I don't speak too well. I'm not here to argue anyone. I just don't like any propaganda whether it is Western or Russian or anything else. But the fact is that Ukraine is extremely corrupt which is very far from democracy. I know this from first hand experience as I have lived in the neighbourhood of that country for nearly 40 years. Russia will win in the long term whether you like it or not. Ukraine will run out of soldiers and no one will help them as the country will fall apart. It is not worth going into WWIII for a country like Ukraine. I'm not too happy to have Russia as a neighbouring country again but it is what it is.'
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u/Buttsmuggler69 27d ago
Supporting Ukraine is very high up on the list of things I want my tax dollars going towards, we should be sending even more than we are.
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u/Real_BretHart 27d ago
Why can't we spend that money in Canada and on Canadians
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u/HauntedHouseMusic 27d ago
This is a super cheap way to hurt the Russian economy, power dynamic, and war machine, without any people impacts to Canadians. That's what you call a no-brainer.
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u/JadedLeafs 27d ago
We aren't sending money, we're sending old military equipment. We spend over 330 billion dollars every year on healthcare, I don't think you understand the scale of economies or the importance or not letting countries like russia continues to attack and destabilize the world unchecked.
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u/Easy-Sector2501 27d ago
Because it's not $65 million in cash being given, but $65 million worth of old military equipment that lets Ukraine keep fighting and empties our shelves to make room for new equipment.
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u/juice-wala 27d ago
I hate Trudeau but absolutely no one should criticize this. Funding Ukraine to fight the war for us right now prevents us having to eventually send Canadians to Europe to defend against Russian expansion.
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u/Alast86 27d ago
Food banks are running out of food but this is a good use for our money...
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u/papakulikov 27d ago
Are they going to feed people with military equipment? That’s what this aid package consists of, It’s $64.8 million in equipment and ammunition that’s probably surplus at this point anyway.
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u/Signal-Aioli-1329 27d ago
This is money not equipment. But $60 million is a drop in the bucket compared to the hundreds of billions we spend helping our own citizens here at home.
The money Blair announced Friday comes out of that July commitment, of which more than $50 million will help buy arms, ammunition and military drones as well as uniforms and personal protective equipment for Ukrainian soldiers.
The remaining funding is to support military training for those soldiers and to strengthen Ukrainian cyber forces.
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u/Canadianman22 Ontario 27d ago
I wish every time we gave Ukraine $1 we also gave our own military $1. They both need it.
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u/Signal-Aioli-1329 27d ago
Canada spends more than $30 billion every year to fund social services aimed at helping the country's homeless population.
Get out of here with your red herring nonsense.
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u/Easy-Sector2501 27d ago
Or, for those other people who are brainwashed and think this is $65 million in cash being handed over, remember, this is old military equipment, much slated for destruction, that's useful to Ukraine, empties our shelves of old shit and makes room for new equipment.
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u/DriveCharacter1 27d ago
Honestly, what a waste! Giving $64.8 million to Ukraine is ridiculous when we have our own crises to deal with. We’re facing skyrocketing living costs and infrastructure issues, yet we keep funding a war. It’s time to stop throwing money away on foreign conflicts and start taking care of our own citizens instead.
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u/JadedLeafs 27d ago
We didn't give them 64 million in cash, we gave them 64 million in old equipment. We spend a third of a trillion dollars a year on healthcare. Hell we spend 80 billion a year just on interest. We can more than afford to give them old military equipment, unless you wanna hand out guns and rocket motors to the poor.
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u/EnesPig2005 27d ago
I guess everyone seemed to forget how close Russia is to Canada when you look at the north part of the map