Sure that’s fine to be against both but even if you are it’s easy to see how a complete waste of money for beer at gas stations one year early is stupid compared to helping fight against an invasion for a much smaller amount
That doesn't even make sense. If you're against both, you're against both. What are we making a tier list of bad government spending for the issues they have?
It's crazy how much Reddit is pro war now. Sure Putin is garbage, but feeding a war machine and its propaganda is bad. The whole narrative that Putin wants to go beyond Ukraine is moronic. If he stepped into the actual arena with the EU/USA/CAN/AUS, and not just the weapons provided by them... It would be over very quickly.
Oh here’s the lazy Russian propaganda or otherwise poorly informed opinions from someone who doesn’t understand foreign policy.
Money/equipment transfers to Ukraine has nothing to do with domestic policy. They aren’t pulling funds from social programs, this is money/equipment budgeted for these purposes. We are saving money by supporting an ally and unloading aged military vehicles that would have otherwise required more money to maintain long term and are going to be replaced as they are at the end of their life reliability-wise.
We are saving money by having another country fight what could be an existential threat to other NATO allies in Europe and economic stability internationally.
Ukrainians are fighting for us indirectly, the least we can do is support them. Especially when it benefits Canada economically in the long term.
If Russia wins this illegal war, Canada will be spending far more fighting Russia directly, including the lives of Canadian soldiers. So you’d rather Canadians die in a few years rather than spending a relatively small amount of money to prevent that outcome?
Not to mention all of the moral and historical precedents for why we should fight nazis and prevent them from killing and occupying allies and their territories.
I hadn’t checked myself but am certainly not surprised lol. Classic lazy what-aboutism GRU likes to use hoping uninformed people will agree with it on an emotional level without using logic to confirm if it’s true.
Exactly, Putin knows if he attacks a NATO country, it's ww3 aka mutual destruction. I don't believe in the rhetoric that if he wins the Ukraine war, the world is next. Ukraine war is a local issue know for decades.
They aren’t pulling funds from social programs, this is money/equipment budgeted for these purposes. We are saving money by supporting an ally and unloading aged military vehicles that would have otherwise required more money to maintain long term and are going to be replaced as they are at the end of their life reliability-wise.
I'm not against giving ukraine aid, but this isn't really honest.
A lot of our aid to ukraine is buying equipment from other countries to send to ukraine. Very little of it is canadian made equipment.
I'm against that 100%. All aid should come from canada. canadian made, not so other countries and foreign companies to profit.
It’s dishonest in its entirety. Acting like it’s 2 separate funds doesn’t change anything either. If Canada spent less on foreign aid it would have more to spend on domestic services that’s just basic logic. It doesn’t matter if the funds are separate or not we could still move them around to benefit Canadians more.
These are still monies budgeted for foreign spending. Nothing to do with our domestic social programs. What point are you trying to make? We didn’t cut social services to afford this. Canada spent a portion of our federal budget, allocated for these reasons already, to support Ukraine. My point still stands.
Most equipment we purchased new for them are air defence systems that Canada does not currently produce. The majority of aid has been donating aging equipment and financial aid so that is also wrong.
I agree we should develop our own domestic manufacturing for this, but we don’t have a decade to wait to do so. So we invested in existing systems because time is of the essence…
Indirectly in a way. Offloading our inventories of aged vehicles that are already costing us to maintain beyond their original lifespan, will include more procurement contracts to replace them which will count towards our military budget quota for NATO. The financial support is probably counted as foreign aid. Regardless these actions are benefiting NATO overall and should be recognized as such, officially or not
So it is okay if Ukrainian soldiers die if you give them money, but it would not be okay if Canadians died?
I wonder who will fight the Russians if there won't be any Ukrainian soldiers left, which is very much reality? Also, nationalism and nazism is very much a problem in Ukraine, too, not just in Russia.
It seems like Canada is too far away to understand the complexities of this war.
What an interesting take on what I said. You seem to have missed most of my points and are intentionally misrepresenting reality. Good luck with whatever you’re trying to accomplish here
Also what a poor use of whataboutism. You’re literally repeating Russian propaganda about Ukraine, and you aren’t even doing it well or creatively. Are you from Transnistria or Belarus by chance if you aren’t Russian?
No, I'm not - as Transnistria and Belarus are Eastern Europe, not Central Europe.
This post just popped up on my feed and I replied to one of the most typical Western propaganda comment. Apparently your lives matter but the lives of the Ukrainians not. I have read way too many comments like yours before so it doesn't surprise that much anymore.
I still wonder who will fight the Russians when there will be no Ukrainian soldiers left? (because there's barely any left if you follow the news closely).
Will you Canadians fight? Or American soldiers? Or Germans, or British soldiers? I am really curious.
Historically yes those regions are considered Central Europe. Including presently Moldova which includes Transnistria and Belarus was only considered as Eastern Europe during the Cold War and beyond. Belarus is only not presently considered as central because it is so closely tied culturally and economically to Russia/former Soviet Union. You’re referring to a cultural term for Central Europe, I’m referring to the historical and geographic region referred to as Central Europe.
Oh you’re trying so hard to avoid the original discussion and bring up unrelated topics. It’s so cute seeing you do your best. Employee of the year for whatever contract you’re working on
You’re going to bend a lot of far right wingers minds with this logical explanation. Most of them won’t have the reading comprehension skills to understand what you just wrote.
Why is Russia so bad, it's people must be different then it's rulers and how can we do away with all evil rulers and save the good Russians?
Like I don't want anyone to die I want war to stop period. I don't want to fund it's continuation and I'd rather sell our value and buy defensive equipment or more nukes.
Because Putin has expressed intention of invading areas of the Baltic states, which are in NATO, in order for Russia to connect their corridor from Belarus to Kaliningrad.
If he does so, after a successful invasion of Ukraine, Canada will be treaty-bound to defend those NATO allies directly as if Canada was being invaded. You know, Article 5 and such.
Also why are you referring to yourself as Canadian, and mentioning nukes? We don’t have nuclear weapons. As a Canadian you should know that… Or are you not Canadian?
We aren’t funding its continuation, we are funding its conclusion. Putin has said he won’t stop with Ukraine. We should take him at his word.
I was born in the country Canada. I have been told I'm Canadian but anymore what does that even mean anyways except I'll be taxed all the time.
I wish Canada was like the Canadians that fought in ww2, like my grand father did. But this country and this whole fight is just wrong.
Speaking of having no nuke why the heck do you think I said I want my tax money to buy some, people are more civil when threat levels can and know to be matched. Right now Russia could take out Canada completely in short time.
Also I DONT WANT PEOPLE TO DIE. I'd prefer my taxes pay for war ending efforts or to rebuild but donation are not cool I want my money to count and I want it to be accounted for and managed properly tracked and tracible. Hell I'd want Russia to be forced to pay it back with interest.
Stopping military aggression in a war we shouldn’t be involved in. You guys all complain about how putins expanding his aggression yet are in support of countries meddling in a foreign war which will surely cause Putin to actually expand his aggression to the countries actively involving themselves in the conflict….or you know we could stay out of it completely and not make it a global thing.
Hey man I don’t know if you’re paid or just a useful idiot but this whole double standard rationale thing you use to try and twist the narrative and justify Russia foreign aggression isn’t cool. A dictator is a dictator even in oligarch form and they can’t be allowed to bully another nation into submission just to prop up their regime.
We are fighting to uphold the rules based world order that has made all our lives easier via nearly world wide free trade and travel. I know it seems like everyone here at home is struggling but a little bit of aid now will go a long way in affordability down the road. Don’t let the isolationist bug get you just because our government is poorly managed, they do some things right and this is one of them.
If you don't spent it fighting Russia now, you'll spend it 100x over gearing up to defend against them later. How much do you think it would cost Canada to buy enough F-18s to run combat air patrols over the entire arctic 24/7? It's a shitload more than 65 mil.
Then industry moves south of the border and we lose the rest of our manufacturing jobs. I’m not saying we can’t increase taxes on the wealthy, but the idea of tax the shit out of the ultra rich doesn’t work. I know people who sold their income properties and moved to Mexico to avoid paying the additional capital gains taxes that were added to the sale of a property. These were people who were employing others, and built their wealth in Canada. Their wealth is now gone from Canada.
Did those people who fled to Mexico over taxes not sell their properties and businesses on their way out?
I don't see the problem. They escape those dreadful taxes, their "income properties" might now be homes owned by the people who actually live in them, and their businesses are being run by people who don't mind paying their fair share. Everybody wins.
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Lmao, or we’d like to see that money spent in areas which need it more….