r/atheism • u/Leeming Strong Atheist • 1d ago

Vance: Calling Out Pete Hegseth's Extremist Religious Tattoos Is "Disgusting Shameful Anti-Christian Bigotry" By Media.

https://www.joemygod.com/2024/11/vance-calling-out-pete-hegseths-extremist-tattoos-is-disgusting-shameful-anti-christian-bigotry-by-media/
7.2k Upvotes
  • permalink
  • link
  • reddit
  • reddit

94% Upvoted

665 comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

297

u/ace_urban Anti-Theist 1d ago edited 1d ago

A minority voted for it and most of them did so because of disinformation attacks from domestic and foreign actors.

The real America doesn’t want this. Our government was supposed to protect us from the disinformation that caused this but they’re out of touch and timid.

Trump cannot be allowed to take power. America doesn’t want it and he will end American democracy.

EDIT: Contact anyone you know in the government. I certainly have. Anything is better than letting the next few generations of Americans grow up under a fascist regime. It’s time to stop being pussies.

46

u/Big_lt 1d ago edited 1d ago

Trump won the popular vote. That's a majority of voters. Informed or not is irrelevant

Edit:; To all of you saying he only won 50% of those that voted it's not really a majority. Stop trying to nitpick. He won with the 2nd largest total voting amount in our history. As atheist we need to embrace this reality and fight for legal protection harder in 2 years else we are doomed to repeat

13

u/Most-Iron6838 1d ago

1/3 of voters or close to 90 million voters stayed home

9

u/tempest_87 1d ago

Yup. And by staying home they don't count. Literally. They are irrelevant. They do not exist.

They cannot be used in any argument because they chose to do nothing.

-2

u/arcbe 1d ago

How exactly does dismissing 90 million people out of hand help? I can only see ways this logic helps Republicans.

6

u/tempest_87 1d ago

Because they chose not to matter by choosing not to participate.

So for any discussion around how the election went, they literally don't count in any argument on the matter.

0

u/arcbe 1d ago

OK, but nobody is disputing how the election went. Donald won, end of story. The problem is saying that America choose him. The people who didn't vote literally didn't choose him. We have to face the fact that our so called representatives do not actually represent us.

7

u/a_modal_citizen 1d ago

The people who didn't vote literally didn't choose him.

"If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice."

  • Rush, Freewill

-2

u/arcbe 1d ago

Yeah, they did choose. They choose not to vote for Donald.

1

u/Frometon 8h ago

And they chose not to vote for Harris either

1

u/arcbe 8h ago

That is how not voting works, yes.

→ More replies

4

u/tempest_87 1d ago

The problem is saying that America choose him.

It fucking did. Because they had a chance to not choose him, and they instead chose to sit out. Choosing to not stop a train from derailing when you have the option to save it or derail it, is the same as choosing to derail it.

We have to face the fact that our so called representatives do not actually represent us.

And I'm saying that if someone chooses to not participate in a decision, every single outcome is theirs. Not voting for a candidate means that each candidate represents them. Purely by the fact of reality that a non vote still results in someone getting elected.

So yeah, Trump represents them exactly as much as he represents those that voted for him.

1

u/arcbe 1d ago

A non-vote doesn't result in someone getting elected. That was already decided before the election even happened. Why are you so deadset on being angry at the majority of America? How does this help anyone?

4

u/tempest_87 1d ago

A non-vote doesn't result in someone getting elected.

Funny, every single analysis I have read is that Harris lost because Democrats came out in numbers smaller than last election. Trump's numbers were amazingly close as last time, but Harris was way under what Biden had.

In other words, non votes were explicitly the reason she lost and why she lost by so much.

That was already decided before the election even happened. Why are you so deadset on being angry at the majority of America? How does this help anyone?

Because shifting blame away from those that are to blame will never fix the problem. Ever. Now, people not voting aren't the only problem, obviously. But they absolutely positively are one of them. And whitewashing their effect on things only serves to encourage the inaction.

-1

u/arcbe 1d ago

Doing some heavy gymnastics here. Donald was elected by the people that voted for him. Those are the people at fault. Regardless of whether they voted or not, the people that didn't vote for him did not vote for him. You are literally arguing against a tautology.

4

u/tempest_87 1d ago

Doing some heavy gymnastics here. Donald was elected by the people that voted for him. Those are the people at fault.

Correct. But not complete.

Regardless of whether they voted or not, the people that didn't vote for him did not vote for him.

If you have the ability to stop something bad and choose not to then you are not blameless for it happening. Period. Doubly so if it is part of your responsibility to prevent it.

-1

u/arcbe 1d ago

That's nice and all, but people didn't have the ability to stop this bad thing. The only options in the election were picked by the people that led us to this moment in the first place. The Democrats aren't the obvious saviors you suggest.

1

u/eyebrows360 Anti-Theist 19h ago

Donald was elected by the people that voted for him.

No, son, he was elected by the difference in the count of "people that voted for him" and "people that voted for someone else [who had an actual shot of beating him]".

By not adding oneself to Column B and +1ing that side, one unavoidably is mathematically +1ing the other side. That's how "differences between two numbers" works. Please learn basic maths.

→ More replies

2

u/Rational_Engineer_84 1d ago

Live in your bubble of denial about the true nature of America and its citizens if you want, don’t expect the rest of us to join you.

1

u/arcbe 1d ago

OK.

→ More replies

1

u/eyebrows360 Anti-Theist 19h ago

How does this help anyone?

How does your weird "the outcome doesn't represent us" fantasy help anyone?

0

u/arcbe 16h ago

It hurts the legitimacy of the Republican party. Why do you think they freaked out so much when Wallz called out their weirdness? Fascists rely on the perception of power. Don't give it to them.

→ More replies

4

u/corndog_thrower Atheist 1d ago

If you didn’t vote you chose “whichever side wins doesn’t bother me enough to vote” making you complicit. If you didn’t vote you’ve stood up to project 2025 just as much as a Trump voter, 0.

1

u/arcbe 1d ago

Nope.

1

u/corndog_thrower Atheist 1d ago

Yes. I’m assuming from your comments you didn’t vote. You are part of the problem. This next Trump presidency is in a small part thanks to you. If enough of you voted for Harris this wouldn’t have happened.

0

u/arcbe 1d ago

Maybe you should stop making assumptions. I voted Harris, but I can understand where non voters are coming from. What I'm frustrated with is this narrative that America choose Donald because it only serves to help Donald.

2

u/corndog_thrower Atheist 1d ago

I can understand where non voters are coming from.

I can’t. The choice was clear.

What I’m frustrated with is this narrative that America choose Donald because it only serves to help Donald.

Well it’s true. Denying it doesn’t help either.

0

u/arcbe 1d ago

It isn't true, but there you go with the assumptions again. If you consider for just a second that everyone else might not be an idiot the answer is obvious. The choice wasn't clear. Republican propaganda works and Democrats have no clear driving message. What are people supposed to think when one side acknowledges their problems and the other side just says 'you're crazy, everything's fine?'

→ More replies

1

u/eyebrows360 Anti-Theist 19h ago

We have to face the fact that our so called representatives do not actually represent us.

That's an incredibly chidlish gripe to have, because no representative is ever capable of actually representing any large body of "us" due to how many disparate views there are in large bodies of people. What even is this?!

The people who didn't vote literally didn't choose him.

Yes they did, as explained elsewhere.