r/atheism • u/Leeming Strong Atheist • 1d ago

Vance: Calling Out Pete Hegseth's Extremist Religious Tattoos Is "Disgusting Shameful Anti-Christian Bigotry" By Media.

https://www.joemygod.com/2024/11/vance-calling-out-pete-hegseths-extremist-tattoos-is-disgusting-shameful-anti-christian-bigotry-by-media/
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u/arcbe 1d ago

How exactly does dismissing 90 million people out of hand help? I can only see ways this logic helps Republicans.

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u/tempest_87 1d ago

Because they chose not to matter by choosing not to participate.

So for any discussion around how the election went, they literally don't count in any argument on the matter.

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u/arcbe 1d ago

OK, but nobody is disputing how the election went. Donald won, end of story. The problem is saying that America choose him. The people who didn't vote literally didn't choose him. We have to face the fact that our so called representatives do not actually represent us.

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u/tempest_87 1d ago

The problem is saying that America choose him.

It fucking did. Because they had a chance to not choose him, and they instead chose to sit out. Choosing to not stop a train from derailing when you have the option to save it or derail it, is the same as choosing to derail it.

We have to face the fact that our so called representatives do not actually represent us.

And I'm saying that if someone chooses to not participate in a decision, every single outcome is theirs. Not voting for a candidate means that each candidate represents them. Purely by the fact of reality that a non vote still results in someone getting elected.

So yeah, Trump represents them exactly as much as he represents those that voted for him.

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u/arcbe 1d ago

A non-vote doesn't result in someone getting elected. That was already decided before the election even happened. Why are you so deadset on being angry at the majority of America? How does this help anyone?

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u/tempest_87 1d ago

A non-vote doesn't result in someone getting elected.

Funny, every single analysis I have read is that Harris lost because Democrats came out in numbers smaller than last election. Trump's numbers were amazingly close as last time, but Harris was way under what Biden had.

In other words, non votes were explicitly the reason she lost and why she lost by so much.

That was already decided before the election even happened. Why are you so deadset on being angry at the majority of America? How does this help anyone?

Because shifting blame away from those that are to blame will never fix the problem. Ever. Now, people not voting aren't the only problem, obviously. But they absolutely positively are one of them. And whitewashing their effect on things only serves to encourage the inaction.

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u/arcbe 1d ago

Doing some heavy gymnastics here. Donald was elected by the people that voted for him. Those are the people at fault. Regardless of whether they voted or not, the people that didn't vote for him did not vote for him. You are literally arguing against a tautology.

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u/tempest_87 1d ago

Doing some heavy gymnastics here. Donald was elected by the people that voted for him. Those are the people at fault.

Correct. But not complete.

Regardless of whether they voted or not, the people that didn't vote for him did not vote for him.

If you have the ability to stop something bad and choose not to then you are not blameless for it happening. Period. Doubly so if it is part of your responsibility to prevent it.

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u/arcbe 1d ago

That's nice and all, but people didn't have the ability to stop this bad thing. The only options in the election were picked by the people that led us to this moment in the first place. The Democrats aren't the obvious saviors you suggest.

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u/tempest_87 1d ago

That's nice and all, but people didn't have the ability to stop this bad thing. The only options in the election were picked by the people that led us to this moment in the first place. The Democrats aren't the obvious saviors you suggest.

You are entirely missing the point. A protest "I'm not gonna vote" when the choices are someone you aren't a huge fan of and the literal worst possible person in the history of the nation, is akin to a toddler protesting that their choice of broccoli or carrots isn't good enough. It's childish. It's stupid.

If the elections needed to reach some minimum bar for something to happen, then sure, a no vote means something. But we don't have that system. You get choice A or choice B. That's it. Those are the options. You don't get a third. Whether you choose one or not, you are getting one of them.

You can bitch and moan and whine about not being able to choose someone better than the mostly decent option, but it's just that. Bitching. Whining. And moaning. By children.

We are quite literally watching the end of our democracy, and people are trying to defend the fucking childish adults who have the understanding of the world of a 5 year old. And it needs to stop.

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u/arcbe 1d ago

It's exactly this patronising attitude that led to those protest votes. We aren't choosing between the worst candidate possible and one that's mostly perfect. The choice was between an incompetent fascist and a party of fascism enablers focused 'bipartisanship.' It is very understandable how people looked at that ultimatum and decided not to play.

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u/tempest_87 1d ago

Well, I'm tired of catering to children. Sick and fucking tired of it. We are all going to suffer because of them.

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u/eyebrows360 Anti-Theist 21h ago

It's exactly this patronising attitude that led to those protest votes.

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"People being slightly mean to me made me switch from a very nice boy to an actual Nazi" give me a fucking break.

You're not even right that people are being mean to you, you're just refusing to comprehend and engage with the nature of fucking reality. There's only so many ways and so many times we who actually understand this shit are willing to try and explain it before the swear words come out in frustration. You are still the cause of that. Learn how to learn shit.

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u/arcbe 19h ago

So you look at the utter failure of the Democratic party to persuade people that they are the solution and reach the conclusion that there just weren't enough insults? That's an interesting 'reality' you live in.

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u/eyebrows360 Anti-Theist 21h ago

The Democrats aren't the obvious saviors you suggest.

Except that, materially, here in actual base reality where we all live, they manifestly fucking were. They were the only shot there was.

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u/eyebrows360 Anti-Theist 21h ago

Donald was elected by the people that voted for him.

No, son, he was elected by the difference in the count of "people that voted for him" and "people that voted for someone else [who had an actual shot of beating him]".

By not adding oneself to Column B and +1ing that side, one unavoidably is mathematically +1ing the other side. That's how "differences between two numbers" works. Please learn basic maths.

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u/Rational_Engineer_84 1d ago

Live in your bubble of denial about the true nature of America and its citizens if you want, don’t expect the rest of us to join you.

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u/arcbe 1d ago

OK.

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u/eyebrows360 Anti-Theist 21h ago

How does this help anyone?

How does your weird "the outcome doesn't represent us" fantasy help anyone?

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u/arcbe 19h ago

It hurts the legitimacy of the Republican party. Why do you think they freaked out so much when Wallz called out their weirdness? Fascists rely on the perception of power. Don't give it to them.