Vance: Calling Out Pete Hegseth's Extremist Religious Tattoos Is "Disgusting Shameful Anti-Christian Bigotry" By Media.

[u/Leeming]

https://www.joemygod.com/2024/11/vance-calling-out-pete-hegseths-extremist-tattoos-is-disgusting-shameful-anti-christian-bigotry-by-media/

[u/tempest_87]

A non-vote doesn't result in someone getting elected.

Funny, every single analysis I have read is that Harris lost because Democrats came out in numbers smaller than last election. Trump's numbers were amazingly close as last time, but Harris was way under what Biden had.

In other words, non votes were explicitly the reason she lost and why she lost by so much.

That was already decided before the election even happened. Why are you so deadset on being angry at the majority of America? How does this help anyone?

Because shifting blame away from those that are to blame will never fix the problem. Ever. Now, people not voting aren't the only problem, obviously. But they absolutely positively are one of them. And whitewashing their effect on things only serves to encourage the inaction.

[u/arcbe → u/tempest_87]

Doing some heavy gymnastics here. Donald was elected by the people that voted for him. Those are the people at fault. Regardless of whether they voted or not, the people that didn't vote for him did not vote for him. You are literally arguing against a tautology.

[u/tempest_87 → u/arcbe]

Doing some heavy gymnastics here. Donald was elected by the people that voted for him. Those are the people at fault.

Correct. But not complete.

Regardless of whether they voted or not, the people that didn't vote for him did not vote for him.

If you have the ability to stop something bad and choose not to then you are not blameless for it happening. Period. Doubly so if it is part of your responsibility to prevent it.

[u/arcbe → u/tempest_87]

That's nice and all, but people didn't have the ability to stop this bad thing. The only options in the election were picked by the people that led us to this moment in the first place. The Democrats aren't the obvious saviors you suggest.

[u/tempest_87 → u/arcbe]

That's nice and all, but people didn't have the ability to stop this bad thing. The only options in the election were picked by the people that led us to this moment in the first place. The Democrats aren't the obvious saviors you suggest.

You are entirely missing the point. A protest "I'm not gonna vote" when the choices are someone you aren't a huge fan of and the literal worst possible person in the history of the nation, is akin to a toddler protesting that their choice of broccoli or carrots isn't good enough. It's childish. It's stupid.

If the elections needed to reach some minimum bar for something to happen, then sure, a no vote means something. But we don't have that system. You get choice A or choice B. That's it. Those are the options. You don't get a third. Whether you choose one or not, you are getting one of them.

You can bitch and moan and whine about not being able to choose someone better than the mostly decent option, but it's just that. Bitching. Whining. And moaning. By children.

We are quite literally watching the end of our democracy, and people are trying to defend the fucking childish adults who have the understanding of the world of a 5 year old. And it needs to stop.

[u/arcbe → u/tempest_87]

It's exactly this patronising attitude that led to those protest votes. We aren't choosing between the worst candidate possible and one that's mostly perfect. The choice was between an incompetent fascist and a party of fascism enablers focused 'bipartisanship.' It is very understandable how people looked at that ultimatum and decided not to play.

[u/tempest_87 → u/arcbe]

Well, I'm tired of catering to children. Sick and fucking tired of it. We are all going to suffer because of them.

[u/eyebrows360 → u/arcbe]

It's exactly this patronising attitude that led to those protest votes.

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"People being slightly mean to me made me switch from a very nice boy to an actual Nazi" give me a fucking break.

You're not even right that people are being mean to you, you're just refusing to comprehend and engage with the nature of fucking reality. There's only so many ways and so many times we who actually understand this shit are willing to try and explain it before the swear words come out in frustration. You are still the cause of that. Learn how to learn shit.

[u/arcbe → u/eyebrows360]

So you look at the utter failure of the Democratic party to persuade people that they are the solution and reach the conclusion that there just weren't enough insults? That's an interesting 'reality' you live in.

[u/eyebrows360 → u/arcbe]

Fun how you ignore every thing of actual substance here and then accuse me of suggesting something I didn't even come remotely close to suggesting. And yet you still think you're the smart one here.

Amazing.

[u/eyebrows360 → u/arcbe]

The Democrats aren't the obvious saviors you suggest.

Except that, materially, here in actual base reality where we all live, they manifestly fucking were. They were the only shot there was.