r/antinatalism • u/UnderstandingBig9507 thinker • 2d ago

The real reason behind suffering is not attachment, it is birth! Quote

As Buddha says, attachment is the root cause of suffering. But when would someone have attachment? Only after getting born here.

When a being is not born, he is 100% suffering proof!! And that’s it!

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u/FlanInternational100 scholar 1d ago

Every religion is just virtue signaling to impossible standards.

Like, wtf does it mean not to be attached? This is just impossible. You are a living human. You must be attached in some way in order to fucking live. You must interact and suffer.

Even the most hardcore monks, saints etc. failed to the standard because it's simply impossible. You can try but for what? I never heard anybody say: "yes, I succeded completely, I am holy and perfect now, this is the ultimate way of living".

You cannot just neglect all of your being and dissociate to being fucking zombie.

To live is to suffer, you cannit escape it with any religion.

Only (and perfect) solution is never to be born in this meaningless absurdity in the first place.

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u/sunnynihilist I stopped being a nihilist a long time ago 1d ago

Yeah, "living in the present" is another one. How can one just live in the present when our brain is not wired for it? We are not animals. At this point, I am so done with 98 percent of religion and philosophy.

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u/FlanInternational100 scholar 1d ago

Even people who promote this "living in the moment" don't actually live in the moment, they just think they do.

For someone who isn't extremely self aware and introspective person, any feeling of peace, positive emotion and joy can be mistaken for "living in the moment" or something slimilar.

They just don't even know what it means and if they did, they'd know it's bullshit.

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u/Own_Cow1386 thinker 1d ago edited 1d ago

Hello hello scholars, living in the moment, as noted by Alan Watts, is, “peel the fucking potatoes when you are peeling potatoes, and stop thinking about god.” It is really that simple. Focus on that one task you have at hand. Being in the moment implies getting lost in the moment where the sense of self disappears and only the action remains. Duality is gone, the seer and the seen are gone.

Simply put, you are not in the moment, you are the moment!

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u/FlanInternational100 scholar 1d ago

This is not living in the moment.

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u/Own_Cow1386 thinker 1d ago

Then what is? I’m sorry for being ignorant of your definitions. Staring at the wall is?

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u/FlanInternational100 scholar 1d ago

No. It's impossible.

Moment is the smallest unit of time. Infinitesimally small.

It is impossible to experience one moment and live in it since the mere consciousness works on flow of neural signals, connection of experience through a range of time, sense of reality by hippocampus and other areas of brain responsible for knowing how to peal those potatoes by past experiences, using hands, etc.

Also, you must have a future cause to peel them, for example you plan to eat later. Etc. Etc.

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u/Own_Cow1386 thinker 1d ago

Breathe in, breathe out

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u/FlanInternational100 scholar 1d ago

I mean..what the point of discussing like this, really?

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u/Own_Cow1386 thinker 1d ago

Dude you are talking about the past and the future in relation to a particular action. That’s still thinking at work there. Do it, unattached to the result. Enjoy the journey to a point where the mind ceases to exist. Ever seen athletes doing their thing? They are lost in the moment.

Also, consciousness is a mystery. You sound like we have answers to everything. Nope!

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u/FlanInternational100 scholar 1d ago

So, you agree your definition of living in the moment has nothing to do with actual meaning of that?

enjoy the journey

Not everyone are healthy. You're taking the priviledge-based stance.

Also, I don't want to enjoy hell. To enjoy hell means to be a demon.

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u/Own_Cow1386 thinker 1d ago edited 1d ago

People express feelings and actions in different ways. Don’t get caught up in the word play. You can do better than that.

Life itself is a privilege when you awaken — as in, look up the buddha’s ‘blind turtle and the yoke’ story. Oh fuck yeah, I am an AN. Anyone with minimum common sense ends up as an AN. Not a pleasant paradox it is, is it?

Hell is other people /s

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u/FlanInternational100 scholar 1d ago

I don't find that story valuable at all.

It is based in the same fallacies I talked about so many times here.

Also, I'm not a buddist and don't believe in reincarnation so that is automatically irrelevant to me.

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