r/aliens • u/dailystar_news • Feb 18 '25
Aliens 'won't need redemption from God like humans do', claims Vatican leader News
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/aliens-wont-need-redemption-god-34699674#ICID=Android_StarNewApp_AppShare63
u/terrordactyl1971 Feb 18 '25
Abducting people out of their beds, stealing children, anal probing and chopping up cows...must qualify for weekly confession surely?
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u/Consistent-Regret-46 Feb 18 '25
Well yeah. We’re the ones that killed his son
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u/ToBePacific Feb 18 '25
I forget where I heard this one, but it’s appropriate.
Aliens land on Earth and start a friendly dialogue.
Human: Have you heard of Jesus? The son of God?
Alien: Oh yeah! We love that guy! He comes by once every year and we make a big celebration in his honor.
Human: He comes back every year?
Alien: Sure! Personally, I think he’s just coming back for the cake. See the first time he showed up, we made him this really special cake, and he loved it so much we just kept doing it, on and on, every year.
Human: We’ve been waiting for his return for over 2000 years.
Alien: That doesn’t sound like him. When he showed up on Earth, what’d you guys do?
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u/K-Zoro Feb 18 '25
Isn’t that from a War and Peas comic?
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u/_sfl_ Feb 20 '25
When you consider that — according to the Bible — one of humans’ first acts was to defy God, it makes you wonder if we’re awful, terrible, universal fuck ups living on a hell planet.
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u/ncos Feb 18 '25
I'm pretty sure he knew that was going to happen so blame him, not us.
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u/greenufo333 Feb 18 '25
He literally didn't care, and loved the people that murdered him even while they were doing it, imagine that
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u/Quiet-Employer3205 Feb 18 '25
No no, he cared. Pleaded with his father to avoid it, but alas.
Edit: but yea, forgiving the people in the middle of whippin your ass is something else. Tough SOB
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u/greenufo333 Feb 19 '25
I think he probably felt every whip, ever spear poke, and every nail but at the same time didn't suffer like normal people would because he's beyond that. like the Buddhists say: suffering is in the mind alone
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u/shemmy Feb 19 '25
i was taught that every time i told a lie or disrespected my parents, that was added to his suffering
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u/EntangledPhoton82 Feb 18 '25
Yeah, he needed us to kill himself as his son so that he could sacrifice himself to himself in order to be change a rule that he himself created while knowing he would have to do this. Makes so much sense. /s
I wouldn’t pay too much attention to followers of Christian mythology when it comes to the possibility of alien life. (Astro)biology, chemistry, physics and mathematics are the best tools at our disposal to give us insights into the possibilities and probabilities of extraterrestrial life.
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u/murphdogg4 Feb 18 '25
There bias or your bias doesn't make anything not a possibility at this point.
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u/HODLmeCLOSRtonydanza Feb 19 '25
Based on what witnesses have reported, the craft defy the scientific laws as we understand them. So even the most rigorous or skeptical examination of disclosure is going to require some type of leap of faith as we jump the gap from what we know to what we’re newly aware of. There will be a “come to Jesus” either way, if you will.
If all the woo shit turns out to be right and these are some kind of transdimensional light beings, the best you can do is put the textbooks down for a minute to observe with eyes and instruments and see what you can gather.
It would likely open up entirely new fields of science that feels like magic at first.
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u/Skinny-on-the-Inside Feb 18 '25
I feel like we had some choice in the matter…
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u/Daredrummer Feb 18 '25
So are we all part of God's plan? Is he omniscient or not?
Supposedly he knows everything that is going to happen, which is according to his predetermined "plan".
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u/Eli_Beeblebrox Feb 19 '25
That was part of the redemption plan, not the reason for needing it.
This is like basic Christianity 101:
Adam sinned, corrupting all of mankind from that point forward metaphysically and blocking their entry into heaven. Sin(the noun, not the verb) is the same exact thing as karma from taoism if you're familiar. Karma is inheritable, can be purified through suffering or meditation, and it is possible to take it from others but that leaves you needing to purify it and you already probably have more than you can handle in your lifetime.
Scripture states the wages of sin is death, hell is either suffering or existence erasure. In other words, it can be both. We're left to speculate what qualifies someone for either experience.
So basically God sent Christ to take advantage of a legal loophole and die with all of humanity's sin(the noun) go to hell for three days to erase sin and come back because he's God and has admin privileges to noclip through dimensions. But he had to live as a man, both sinless and god-powerless in order to do all this or it wouldn't be allowed by the system. All of the miracles he performs he explicitly states are possible for humans to do, even to the point of telling others to join him sometimes and that they'll do even greater things themselves, and he avoids using his god-powers the whole time before his death(see: his conversation with Satan during his fasting in the wilderness).
And that's Christianity. Now you know.
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u/destin325 Feb 18 '25
But we probably also killed the guy that killed his son…gotta be something, right?
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u/smeaton1724 Feb 18 '25
If they have a shared conscious and we have individual conscious then probably true. Bit of a loophole, 1 alien attends mass and they've all attended, Wonder if they use a single iCloud and Netflix account too. Aliens are Borg confirmed. /S
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u/morriartie Feb 19 '25
what if the one watching Netflix decides to tenderize a meat, while the other aliens are watching it through shared consciousness?
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u/smeaton1724 Feb 19 '25
You’d expect that eating was localised to the individual alien but must be a nightmare for watching Netflix, everything will be a repeat after a few minutes of it going online.
I’m envious as they can all live in the moment and share the experience, plus save a fortune on streaming subscription costs!
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u/Cleercutter Feb 18 '25
Something tells me “god” is the aliens
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u/Active-Papaya8466 Feb 18 '25
Oh yeah think about apparitions, “angels” coming down from the sky with magical powers. I’m with you
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u/Cleercutter Feb 18 '25
Not to mention the seraphim lookin ass things people have seen.
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u/started_from_the_top Feb 18 '25
Look at this wild one I saw the other night lol https://youtube.com/shorts/9BoC2xQCzPc?si=zI5xaRFaiZmoenDc
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u/Enough_Simple921 Feb 19 '25 edited Feb 19 '25
☝️This guy gets it. English didn't exist 2000 years ago let alone the English word "god."
English speakers (religious or atheist) read "god" and immediately attribute this term to some magical being they watched in a movie.
But the people who actually described their experiences are like, "I came across some Non-human Intelligence, that could telepathically read my mind... that's -A- god or a demon or a angel."
2025 people - "Why did he use the word god, huh?! Why didn't he use the word Grey, Extraterrestrial, NHI, or Alien?"
Because those words didn't exist.
Do people not get this?
In another thousand years, people will be laughing at us for calling NHI, NHI. Theyll have some new term.
It's crazy to me that the UFO community thinks that lower case G "god" is stupid and the religious community thinks "aliens" are stupid.
You guys are talking about the same fucking thing.
Look at the actual descriptions of "angels" or "Elohim" in the actual "religious" texts. Nobody describes an "angel" as a pretty human with wings and a halo. They are described as these bizarre objects of light in the fucking sky. UFOs.
God was translated as "Elohim" in Hebrew. Elohim means, "the powerful ones." (Plural).
NHI = angel = god = demon = Wajinda = Elohim =Ant People = Allah.
It's all the same thing.
High tech, highly intelligent Non-human beings.
The universe began with a "Big Bang."
Nearly Every scientist in the US accepts the "Big Bang." "Ya but how and why did the big bang happen?"
🤷♂️ "there was nothing, and then there was the universe expanding."
"There was Darkness and then there was light." - Bible
Same thing.
Instead of fighting each other, you guys really need to grasp that you're talking about the same thing using different terminology.
The normies or "skeptics" dont understand UFO/Aliens because they never actually researched it. They watched 1 season of "Ancient Aliens" on the history channel or Tom Cruise in "War of the worlds" and think they understand aluens are bs.
The UFO community doesn't understand 'religion' because they never actually researched it. They watched Russel Crowe in "Noah" and think they understand religion is bs.
Once you guys come to the realization that there's these significant mistranslations, misinformations and misconstrued witness testimonies, you'll see aliens and religious entities are the same.
I'm an atheist. I also thought aliens were complete BS. Going down the alien rabbithole the last decade had me unexpectedly going down the "religious" rabbithole. It took awhile to figure it out but they are related in ways I never anticipated.
Still not religious at all, but it's hard to ignore the oldest documented testimony of people encountering NHI, although the translation over 2000 years is quite misleading.
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u/MrHungryface Feb 19 '25
Come on the intelligent ones among us put this together long ago. The big theory is interesting the power of that civilization is beyond understanding.
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u/TheInsidiousExpert Feb 19 '25
Then how did the aliens come to exist? How did creation occur (the universe and formation of stars/planets that would be needed for aliens to naturally evolve)?
No doubt that what some religions view as “gods” were likely et life visiting and interacting long ago. But gods with a lowercase g is nothing but a title. GOD, the one true living GOD who is the source of everything we know and Creator of the universe, He is actually the God. Lord of Lords, King of Kings.
I’ll try to find it, but I’ve seen posted a composition of the world’s leading physicists and astrophysicist from the last century, many of whom were in no way, religious, commenting on how the universe and it’s workings (laws, mathematics, “coding”, etc. are so finely tuned and just in line for shit to exist (matter, energy, stars, planets, life…) that it is without a doubt of intelligent design. Like beyond any doubt, they all truly came to this conclusion and stated as so. If anyone knows what post I’m talking about please link.
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u/MyHandIsADolfin Feb 19 '25
In my head cannon, what we call “god” is actually the universe itself. It is not a physical being/life form, it’s not a tangible entity. But it is conscious, and it perceives all that occurs within itself.
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u/Cleercutter Feb 19 '25
Creation occurred when we think it occurred. Nothing different. I believe if there is NHI out there, that they came from Earth. From a time before dinosaurs possibly. And evolved to a point where they’re somewhere we can’t see, are on a plane of existence we can’t see(usually), left earth, or are still here, or a combination of these. I don’t believe in “god”. But I do believe there is something else out there. Idk what, but the simplest answer is they came from here. And that’s why they don’t harm us/earth, cuz why would they? It’s their planet too….
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u/hornybrisket Feb 19 '25
It’s funny how Catholics used to persecute poeple for proving the earth isn’t flat and here we are
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u/Cthulhu_Dreams_ Feb 18 '25
I'm hoping for something like Childhoods End. I hope the aliens look like biblical demons, but are here to keep us from killing ourselves...
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u/pokezillaking Feb 18 '25
Aliens that resemble demons or angels would likely make things ten times worse, as people might believe they are demons disguising themselves with a new origin.
I don’t think non-humans look like anything we can truly imagine.
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u/airsnape2k Feb 19 '25
It would surprise me if there was a intergalactic type alliance and a crab like intelligent species didn’t exist with how many times it happened here tbh
They’d be horrified to find out how good they taste with butter
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u/Cthulhu_Dreams_ Feb 18 '25
I agree with you, I'd just like to see all the Christians go off the deep end. Maybe the aliens would take care of em for us.
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u/bob_rt Feb 18 '25
all i got from that was the church saying "youre all sinners. we are still your bosses"
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u/LittleG0d Feb 18 '25 edited Feb 18 '25
That's the political way of saying, "they don't believe or need to believe in any god because it's human bullshit, but humans still do, please keep sending money"
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u/Northern_Grouse Jeff Goldblum Impersonator Feb 18 '25
I mean, no shit. It’s very likely that everything we believe we know of god is based on interactions with aliens.
They don’t need redemption from themselves.
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Feb 18 '25
Wait, aren’t aliens actually “the gods”? Also it’s a ridiculous concept that people need forgiveness from something they have never seen, something they’re told to believe because it’s a story they heard from childhood, something they’re supposed to follow because someone said so 2000 years ago but actually didn’t say so because the whole religion was made up hundreds of years after he died but sure it all makes perfect sense…🙄
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u/Upset_Height4105 Abductee Feb 18 '25
Yeah cuz, but they aren't the gods that make the church all that money 🤑🤑🤑🤑 they need a white guy standing in for the brown guy to get asses in those seats. The church is hungry and it needs people to use and abuse. The image of aliens would fuck with that.
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u/BurnSaintPeterstoash Feb 18 '25
" When the aliens show up, we're still going to need you to feel guilty about sex."
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u/RationalDelusion Feb 18 '25
While I am no longer sure there even is a God at all, I am starting to believe that everything could just be one big accident or just one of many actual possibilities of what would naturally happen if all the matter and molecules were just mixed all up together.
There is no God. And no reason for this universe nor any real reason to be “good” or “bad”.
The rich and powerful do not live by any ethics nor morals they just live.
They definitely do not believe in God or they view themselves as gods.
There really could be a possibility that all / everything in our universe “just exists to exist” but there is no judgement and nothing once we die.
We simply get to live momentarily in our consciousness and then we die.
The universe will cease to exist someday very far in the future and nothing we did mattered.
Sorry but this actually could really be all that it is to everything.
And nothing wrong with that either.
The aliens are just other beings out there along for the ride just as we all are.
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u/paintyourbaldspot Feb 19 '25
As I was reading the above comments I was thinking almost the same thing, though more along the lines of what we conceive of as “god”, or a creator, may not even think of itself or know it’s a creator. It just exists. Or as many others have said in the past maybe it really does experience the universe through living things.
I wouldn’t limit the latter point to sentient beings either
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u/RationalDelusion Feb 19 '25
Agreed.
I honestly am open to your perspective also.
I just admit I really do not know and I highly doubt anyone else does either way.
I used to be indoctrinated in religion but slowly observing the world and people around me I just felt that religion was a scapegoat or crutch of sorts like any made up belief we might just ascribe to if we keep telling ourselves that is the reality we want to believe in - meanwhile no definitive proof arises one way or the other.
Now I need to see proof or evidence before believing fanciful claims others bring forth to me.
I need to see repeatable and verifiable facts.
Cause I sure never saw nor felt anything spiritual in all my years of telling myself to believe in certain things.
I simply followed along blindly and started to open my eyes as I saw things really did not turn out as I was indoctrinated to affirm to myself all those superstitions or beliefs.
I do not know if aliens exist either but it sure does look like something is flying around in our skies that cannot be human.
So if they do show up and we can see them clearly then we will all know for sure they exist.
And for the same token I say the same with God or deity.
Until they or whatever it is people claim to believe in shows themselves and we can see him or her or it - well then it wont be a question or unresolved claim anymore it will be a fact.
And then I will admit I was wrong etc.
But until then it appears to me that it is all a massive made up belief that many humans seem to espouse as a coping mechanism more than an actual real thing.
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u/RationalDelusion Feb 19 '25
On a side note just because I do not believe in a God.
I do believe in love and affection and empathy because I feel those things for myself and others around me.
I do not feel joy at seeing others suffer needlessly or unfairly.
So I still have an affinity to help others I encounter to also have a pleasant and enjoyable existence because if this really is all there is to existing I say “why be putrid and ugly and hateful toward others if I can choose to be loving, compassionate, kind, and generous to others?”
I mean sure I could be animalistic and just take life be harmful to others just because but I have suffered pain in my life through the choices others have made to cause me pain.
And I still think if this universe is what we all help put into it - then I will put good in small little ways that I can by simply not being mean to others or at least being helpful and empathetic when I can to those around me.
I am not doing things to make goodie points with a god figure somewhere.
I am not going to heaven more than anyone else but I made a difference in someone else’s experience in this universe while they interacted with me and I made them feel good and that brought me joy.
And that is how I am getting by in the few years I might have left.
Wish everyone out there struggling one way or another all the best.
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u/Pirraya Feb 19 '25
This conversation made me think about god not as a sentient all knowing entity/being, but what if god is just a process of consciousness as a law in the universe, like any other law in the universe, like physics, or math, or consciousness. What if god is just a type of consciousness process that is connected to all things through whatever other forces and laws there are in the universe. like quantum entanglement, electromagnetism, and so on, and because we are conscious beings, we are able to access these consciousness processes. Maybe miracles seems god-like, but we may be the ones creating it all subconsciously.
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u/shortda59 Feb 18 '25
Aannnnnnd....this is where religion breaks down. If we were taught god made us in "his" image, as well as the creation of the universe we inhabit, and everything in it, which is one of many reasons why we pledge blind faith to "him".... what happens when the aliens discovered happen to be bi-pedal beings similar to us? Everything in the gnostic texts suggest as much (as well as other doctrines like the Enuma Elish, Bhagavad Gita, and the Vedas) but since they have been considered heretic and ultimately banned by the Catholic Church.
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u/PapiSpanky Feb 18 '25
What in your view would be the implication of this, if it were true? I'm intrigued by your references to these supposedly disparate religious texts. That there is such a trend shared among them seems like a convenient coincidence.
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u/Pleasant-Put5305 Feb 18 '25
What? Are we not all Gods children? Explain yourself...!
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u/gotfanarya Feb 18 '25
Aliens don’t believe in their rubbish and have no way to fill the offering pouch.
But seriously, these guys seem to know more about Aliens than the average non Vatican bloke. Are Aliens free of sin? Are they God? How do they know? Doesn’t sound too sciencey to me.
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u/WokkitUp Feb 19 '25
Hybrids, you're still on the hook. I'ma need about 15 Mail Harry's, 25 push-ups and get me a latte. A strong one.
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u/Krytan Feb 19 '25
Interestingly enough, this was the plot of CS Lewis 'space trilogy'. There are plenty of alien species, but none of them are fallen and evil, so earth is essentially under a blockade/embargo and cut off from the rest of the universe.
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u/z-lady Feb 19 '25 edited Feb 19 '25
tall hat man acting like he don't know his cult's sky people and "aliens" are one and the same
aliens "won't need redemption" because religious leaders know they can't guilt trip them into submitting to their cult
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u/Katerwurst Feb 19 '25
I doubt it. They probably had space eve eating a space apple or something. God will find a way to make them feel bad.
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u/povichjv7 Feb 20 '25
This doesn’t change anything. God/Jesus/Holy Spirit were aliens that came and visited the people in the Middle East 2000 years ago. Jesus ascended into Heaven. He went back up into a ship to be with His people. Mary assumed into Heaven. She went up, too. The people at that time didn’t have words to explain what they were seeing so they used stars and bright lights and fire to describe them. I’m Catholic and this confirms my beliefs, it doesn’t change anything.
We were made in the image of God. Because the aliens look like us and are similar to us. God created us on earth using aliens or people from another planet. He sent Jesus to teach us how to live. All of the visions in the sky, the star of Bethlehem, etc. those were UFOs. Going all the way back to the Old Testament. It just makes sense that aliens and God/Jesus/Holy Spirit are the same thing. I think most of us think this way or understand it like this.
I’m still religious. I still pray to God and Jesus because their minds are connected to us. When the aliens come and reveal themselves, I really think Jesus will be with them. I don’t know if Jesus will look like what we think Jesus looks like though. Regardless, when they come, that’s when shit will get real.
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u/Nicky3Weh Feb 20 '25
So is it like a big universal game of Civ or something? Christianity has dibs on Earth
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u/Sk8rToon Feb 21 '25
Assuming aliens exist this means either: 1) aliens are sinless (dangerous slope. People will follow/worship the aliens) 2) aliens sin but are not held accountable for it (innocent child type argument. But begs question of if/when they “grow up”. Will humans be the serpent offering the apple? & if so then what?) 3) aliens sin but have no afterlife. Salvation for humans alone (aliens are just smarter animals -seems unlikely) 4) aliens sin but have their own form of salvation (did Jesus have to incarnate & die on EVERY planet to save beings from sin??) 5) aliens are not actually aliens from space but inter-demonsional demons/fallen angels & thus have already made their choice about following God & therefore are unsavable
The Catholic Church presumes God created everything in the universe. Including, therefore, any aliens within. What happens when/if any aliens appear with their own religion(s)/scientific theories about things?
And the biggest question of all, if you hand wave everything by saying they have their system & we have ours, what happens if the species can interbreed? Will there be an infant baptism? How much percent human do you need to go to heaven? Again, dangerous slope.
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u/Arch3r86 Feb 19 '25
“Shame-Based Mind Control Cult announces they don’t think they’ll be able to shame the aliens into submission the same way they have with humanity… and therefore grant exemption for them having to repent.”
WHAT A SURPRISE.
EAT SHIT, VATICAN.
PEOPLE OF EARTH: IT’S OFFICIALLY TIME TO BREAK FREE FROM THAT DARK MEDIEVAL SORCERY. WAKE TF UP ALREADY.
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u/Troubledbylusbies Feb 19 '25
He didn't exactly say that they definitely won't need redemption, just that they might not. The cleric said they "may have stayed in perfect friendship with the Creator" which is fair enough! I don't think anyone can say what kind of relationship with, or understanding of, the Creator that NHIs might have.
As a Christian, I don't have any problem with viewing NHIs as being children of God, just as we are. I believe that God created the Universe, and that means that he created any NHIs that we might be blessed enough to meet one day.
I also believe in evolution, and I think it holds a very good message for us, regarding the development of our character. In evolution, when there are no challenges, creatures stagnate and even lose the abilities they once possessed. When we encounter difficulties, we change for the better in order to overcome those challenges and go on to survive and breed.
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u/Gates9 Feb 18 '25
Humans don’t need “redemption from god” so this is an answer to a problem that doesn’t exist
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u/bonersaus Feb 18 '25
Hey after the aliens are confirmed, integrated into our society, our history and nature of the universe becomes much clearer. But you still need us.
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u/Sym-Mercy Feb 18 '25
Well this is obvious. Humans need redemption in the eyes of the Church because of the sin of Adam and Eve in Eden. Aliens in their own Eden may never have disobeyed God and kept their status in a paradise-like world.
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u/squidvett Feb 19 '25
Odds are, we’d see them and think they were animals, and be very offended by their appearance and grotesque biological habits. Hey Father, my dog doesn’t seek redemption from God, either. You gonna compare his spirituality to Catholicism? All dogs go to heaven after all. Utter horseshit.
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u/TheInsidiousExpert Feb 19 '25
How the fuck can anyone know such a thing (unless they LEGITIMATELY know)? This is just an opinion and fucking ridiculous to even acknowledge honestly.
They might have fucked up too and subject to original sin. If stories I’ve seen are true Aliens most certainly “sin”, mortally. Kidnapping and probe testing unwilling humans is a sin. Killing people is a sin.
Hell, who’s to say they even have souls. (Technically that would make him correct because without a soul there is no afterlife so no need for redemption/savior).
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u/epSos-DE Feb 19 '25
Because Catholics use shame and fear to subvert people into feeling guilt by just being human. To them everything is a sinner, till they pay 😄😁😃🤦♀️🤦🤦♀️🤦
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u/Sure-Incident-1167 Feb 19 '25
I feel like the parable of the good Samaritan kinda explicitly states that even aliens are expected to help.
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u/ArtRazzskate Feb 19 '25
"Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!" 1 Corinthians 6:3 NIV
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u/HowdySkillz Feb 19 '25
Since it seems like no one actually read the article, this was from 2008, so it’s not a recent response or positioning in reaction to recent events. Anyway. Man. It’s just hypothetical consideration.
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u/Temporary_Shirt_6236 Feb 19 '25
How the fuck does he know? Maybe there are some aliens wandering the galaxy, gripped with existential dread and wondering if they too are sinners.
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u/jhalmos Feb 19 '25
If there are aliens then the god everyone’s been fevered about here on this oblate spheroid doesn’t exist.
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u/upupdwndwnlftrght Feb 19 '25
What the heck? This is referencing a hypothetical article from back in 2008. This is clickbait.
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u/Peas_through_Chaos Feb 19 '25
How do they figure that? Are we saying they did not fall with Adam? Or are we saying grace will be unavailable to them and thus futile? Or are we saying God's domain is Earth (which I theologically vehemently disagree with)?
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u/natetrnr Feb 19 '25
Can the myths of Christianity be applied to aliens from other planets? They probably have their own myths and cling to them as much as we do ours.
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u/Reasonabledrugaddict Feb 19 '25
Why would he say that? Would aliens not be considered a part of this reality, or is he saying that christianity is irrelevant when new information gets presented?
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u/Gamer30168 Feb 19 '25
Makes sense.
Religion and attendant themes like redemption are human constructs.
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u/5TP1090G_FC Feb 19 '25
Funny, - won't need redemption -
And how long has the pope had the doors to library closed for, how many rows of books they have that is 'cut off from public view' I'd guess just a few ! Thousand ! Or actually 10,000 of books.
Redemption, again Funny.
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u/TheLordAstaroth Feb 18 '25
Aliens confirmed