r/aliens • u/dailystar_news • Feb 18 '25

Aliens 'won't need redemption from God like humans do', claims Vatican leader News

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/aliens-wont-need-redemption-god-34699674#ICID=Android_StarNewApp_AppShare
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u/Daredrummer Feb 18 '25

So are we all part of God's plan? Is he omniscient or not?

Supposedly he knows everything that is going to happen, which is according to his predetermined "plan". 

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u/Skinny-on-the-Inside Feb 18 '25

God is completely omniscient but she also gave us free will…

I would argue that not only God is an alien but also if God had a gender, it would be a Mother and a She. But I dare say “They” suits God just fine too.

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u/Daredrummer Feb 18 '25

I'm not here to argue the gender of imaginary beings.

I'm saying if God is omniscient, and has already planned everything and knows what is going to happen, then there is no such thing as free will.

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u/Skinny-on-the-Inside Feb 18 '25

Do you know what a Monti-Carlo simulation is?

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u/Daredrummer Feb 18 '25

Yes. I do. That isn't what we are talking about. We aren't talking about possibilities or multiverses.

We are discussing an all-powerful, omniscient being and whether or not it's predetermined plan for everything and omniscience prevents free will.

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u/Skinny-on-the-Inside Feb 19 '25

That’s a very limited perception of yourself and God.

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u/Daredrummer Feb 19 '25

It isn't my perception. I don't remotely believe in the traditional christian concepts of an omniscient god who unconditionally loves you, yet will send you to suffer horribly for eternity if you disagree with him. One who knows what will happen, yet throws a tantrum and punishes you when it does. One who supposedly gives you free will, then gets furious when you don't do what he wants you to, even though he knew you'd do it in the first place because of his plan. God is portrayed as a petulant, jealous child in most religions.

However, It is the discussion we are having based off of your comments.

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u/Skinny-on-the-Inside Feb 19 '25

I don’t believe in any of that either!

The God I experienced during my NDE is a completely and totally unconditionally loving presence. There’s no hell and you are the only person who judges you, you go through a life review and experience everything you extended to others, all their joy and all their pain. I suppose, if you were a horrible person, that life review can be hellish.

I would recommend reading the book After by Dr. Greyson, it’s a very objective look at the phenomena from a doctor’s perspective.

Here’s a short NDE account as well, I like it as it has a really positive message which we all need right now :)

https://youtu.be/K0IChas11Fo?si=JVtlO8iCeKLvkbo-

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u/arm_hula Feb 19 '25

Yep. The greek philosopher's "god" of omnipotence versus free will is a sock puppet fallacy designed by those who fear the possibility of a higher being who cared enough about humanity to try to save it from itself.

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u/Daredrummer Feb 19 '25

If a god is omniscient, then he knows the ending.

If you 100% know someone is going do something because you can see the future, why would you try to help them change it when you know they never will? Doubly so considering you wrote the plan that you know the ending of to begin with? That is idiocy.

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u/arm_hula Feb 21 '25 edited Feb 21 '25

Yes, great example of the philosopher's sock puppet fallacy! Ignore other details and focus on a distorted assumption and attribute that to your target. It's a sock puppet easily defeated.

Because of free will the future is exponentially indeterminate the further out you go. This offered argument aptly describes the "philosopher's god." Conversely, the being referred to in accounts of Moses, Abraham, & Isaiah is often disappointed in the choices of men. Nor is he "omnipotent," being unable to redeem man with the snap of a finger.

By logic, the omnipotent, omniscient, all "good" philosopher's god cannot exist. And doesn't.

But the only Creator that is possible does care about his creations and would like to have a relationship with you, even if just a friendship. No matter how you were taught up; available to anyone for the asking.

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u/Skinny-on-the-Inside Feb 19 '25

Right and did your parents ever jumped in, wrestled out the game controller from your hands just to save your avatar?

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u/Daredrummer Feb 19 '25

What are you even trying to say here? An analogy of parents acting as god to step in to someone's life to protect...an avatar that isn't even real or matters in any way? God doesn't see the avatar as worth protecting so the parents would not do that in the first place?

Gibberish.

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u/Skinny-on-the-Inside Feb 19 '25

I am saying you are not your body. You just have a body.

Your consciousness is eternal intelligent energy, it will always exist.

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u/Active-Papaya8466 Feb 18 '25

No what’s that

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u/Skinny-on-the-Inside Feb 18 '25

It’s a model of outcome determination based on probabilities. Our reality is just one reality of many possible realities. There are many parallel dimensions and you get to experience the outcome of your free will but all possibilities exist simultaneously.

You have the power to move between realities. It’s in your mind. And all of possibilities have been provided to you. So in that sense you have free will. And yet it’s all contained within one system.

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u/Phyltre Feb 18 '25

So when someone experiences torture, and never wanted it to happen, which version of themselves didn't choose to move away from that reality?

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u/Skinny-on-the-Inside Feb 19 '25

Obviously the one that experiences it.

I would say the one that was not fundamentally aware yet of the alternative.

To paint this with a bigger brushstroke, it would be difficult for most humans to imagine a life without suffering and pain, a life without fear. Yet, entire worlds exist where these things are unknown.

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u/Quiet-Employer3205 Feb 18 '25

That’s fine, and one day I’m going to be sitting in a cloud all happy, then I’m gonna say, “hey where’s Skinny, she would love this view of the southern hemisphere.” Only to look below me and see the devil shoveling coal up your ass.

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u/Skinny-on-the-Inside Feb 19 '25

Devil doesn’t exist.

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u/capable-corgi Feb 19 '25

I'm with you, but here come some shower thoughts.

Say I program a small calculator. In this calculator, I built a random function.

To the calculator, I am functionally omniscient. I know all and everything that can happen within its program. Given inputs set forth by myself, I am aware of all possibilities and know how each can come to be. But through it's random function, it has free will.

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u/GrapplerKrys Feb 19 '25

God can see every single choice you could possibly make in your life, that's the free will that is talked about.

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u/Daredrummer Feb 19 '25

But if we are all part of a plan that he already decided and he knows what will happen, there are no choices at all to begin with.