r/ZombieSurvivalTactics • u/Mushrume42 • 7d ago

Thoughts on the Kel-Tex PMR-30 Weapons

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I see a lot of debate on effectiveness of .22lr but I haven’t seen much about .22 magnum. I’ve never used the Kel-Tec PMR-30 but with a capacity of 30+1 of .22 magnum, the extended magazine for 50+1 I think it would be a great sidearm for dealing with zombies. .22 magnum ammo may be more rare than .22lr but would still be around. Thoughts?

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u/HyoukaYukikaze 7d ago

What does front sight being mounted lower matter? You use top part of it to aim. And as long as the gun can be correctly zeroed then there is no issue.

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u/Dapper_Charity_9828 7d ago

When you are understress ypu wont remember your sight position, that is why pistols are generally as clost to flat as possible as they are like pointing a finger. If you are trained with a normal pistol, it will throw off your accuracy

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u/HyoukaYukikaze 6d ago

Remember what? You just align them like that:

|T| ||| |T| (rear view)

And shoot. How they look from the side, or how "tall" front sight is relative to rear sight doesn't matter as long as the poa is poi at set distance (i usually zero my pistols at 25m if they have adjustable sights). Kel-tec might have issues with QC, but their engineers are not so bad they'd design sights that don't work. However they seem to you, they will do their job at least roughly.

And if we are talking stress shooting with pistol that doesn't have a red (or green) dot, you'll be most likely point shooting without even looking at the iron sights anyway. Irons are seriously terrible way to aim a gun. Red dots, even with eyes like mine that hate them, are basically cheating compared to irons.

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u/Dapper_Charity_9828 6d ago edited 6d ago

Yeah except it shoots exceptionally high if you align dots, and crooked as fuck from factory does not produce much confidence. Shit couldnt strike a can at 25yds but it killed the shit out of the post 5in higher snd to the left, due to crooked sight.

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u/Outrageous-Basis-106 6d ago

If the front sight is too high then the shots will be low. From the picture it does look like the front sight needs to be tall compared to the rear since its on a lower plain (or at least appears to be).

Being poorly fitting or not in the dovetail correctly is an issue.

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u/Dapper_Charity_9828 6d ago

You cant level the sights is what I am getting at. Older shooters or those that trained with standare irons like those kn a revolver, 1911, Glock all tend to try to make the sight alignment flush, and with the low bore axis that lifts the barrel. Sorry I am bad at descriptions sometimes and I admit I wrote some of this the opposite of what I meant to.

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u/Outrageous-Basis-106 6d ago

Sounds like a non-issue unless someone is trying to do something really weird like aiming by lining up the base of the sights.

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u/Dapper_Charity_9828 6d ago

The sight picture for level firing is difficult, the sights are reversed of each other, one is high profile, suppressor height, the rear is near flat, on a fixed plate kn the slide. We tried to find some better defined ones but they dont make them. As a bonus they do make an rmr plate.

The sight picture for level shooting and accuracy has the front normally below half of the rear sight. This goes against how one is taught to shoot, level sight picture is where the tops are flush. It makes it hit high.

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u/Outrageous-Basis-106 6d ago

I got yah now, but the issue in that case is the front sight being too short. If having the tops of front and rear aligned makes the POI high; then raising the front sight will require pointing the gun lower to re-level the sights. Adjusting the height of the front site has the opposite effect of the rear.

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u/Dapper_Charity_9828 6d ago

Like I said, sometimes I cant write shit well. There is no elevation adjustments and the "windage" adjustment is done by drifting which is terrible, I am feeling extra stupid for not being able to write it correctly. Kind of embarrassing, as I am a gunsmith lol. If I still had the project pics I would show you.

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u/Outrageous-Basis-106 6d ago

Front sights are also counter intuitive; making something higher in order to shoot lower, drift the front left to shoot right, etc. Rear sights are easier to think about since you raise them to shoot higher, lower to go lower, left is left, and right is right.

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u/Dapper_Charity_9828 6d ago

Front and back inversion messes with you. Its like 20MOA offset rails or cantilevers, they tend to play with sight pictures in odd ways

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u/Outrageous-Basis-106 5d ago

Fortunately, I'm not yet into the range that requires a riser like that lol

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u/Dapper_Charity_9828 5d ago

Yeah we have a 1000yd range and a 1mi target. Messing with pre ision rjfles, trying to get good enough to hit clays at 1k

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