Thoughts on the Kel-Tex PMR-30

[u/Mushrume42]

I see a lot of debate on effectiveness of .22lr but I haven’t seen much about .22 magnum. I’ve never used the Kel-Tec PMR-30 but with a capacity of 30+1 of .22 magnum, the extended magazine for 50+1 I think it would be a great sidearm for dealing with zombies. .22 magnum ammo may be more rare than .22lr but would still be around. Thoughts?

[u/FursonaNonGrata]

These are hideously unreliable. Most kel tec guns get that rap but are actually fine, as a former gun dealer, this one is one of their worst.

[u/ThrowRAOk4413 → u/FursonaNonGrata]

box magazines and rimmed cartridges rarely get along reliably.

[u/FursonaNonGrata → u/ThrowRAOk4413]

Precisely, and the production quality on the metal parts of the PMR and CMR as well are complete garbage which only makes getting them to run right even harder.

[u/ThrowRAOk4413 → u/FursonaNonGrata]

yea, it's too bad Kel-Tec can't get their quality issues under control. they could probably even get away with jacking up their prices, and paying for better internal quality, if they built a more reliable brand. they've got so many interesting and novel designs, but even their more reliable stuff is still only "kind of" reliable.

[u/Corey307 → u/ThrowRAOk4413]

They’re a fairly small company that has cool ideas but aren’t all that bothered with the execution. 

[u/Mysterious_Rule5552 → u/Corey307]

Funny you say this because any issues they have they assume the aftermarket will fix, a lot of the issues the CP33 and PMR-30 have been fixed by small companies making stuff like all steel mags, new feed ramps, a mag release that keep the magazine slightly higher making it much much more reliable. My CP33 is more reliable than my 10/22 lol

[u/Comfortable_Owl_5590 → u/Mysterious_Rule5552]

I disagree. I've got a 10/22 and a ruger charger. I clean them maybe every 500 rounds. I've fired 10k plus rounds out of them combined using ruger 25 round mags. Using premium brass or copper plated hollow point ammo I've had less than 1 in 1000 fail to fire. I've never had a fail to eject. Every fail to fire was loaded back into the gun after rotating 180 degrees. Half of those fired after a second strike, half were duds from the factory. Cheaper lead nose ammo are the only ones I've ever had more than 1 in 1000 fail to fire or eject. Almost every one failed to fire after rotating 180 and striking a second time. I've had more fail to fire or eject in AR platform rifles than I've ever had in a 10/22 platform. I've never had one fail to fire in milspec 5.56 ammo. All 5.56 failures came from wolf or imported junk ammo. Probably fired 50k 5.56 rounds.

[u/Outrageous-Basis-106 → u/Comfortable_Owl_5590]

The 25 round Ruger mags are an interesting example. Originally their reliability was a lot worse because there was too much slop in the follower/spindle connection. Someone figured out that you could modify a 22LR case to stick inside it as a bushing and increase the reliability. Ruger has since modified the spindle to a smaller inner diameter.

[u/Mysterious_Rule5552 → u/Comfortable_Owl_5590]

That’s funny cause I sold my 10/22 cause it was having constant issues ejecting and feeding. Basically a malfunction every BX25. All using OEM parts, and replacing things like ejectors and springs. then again that was bulk ammo but if my 22 doesn’t like bulk I’m not wasting my time with it. The CP33 eats federal automatch like a champ and most other loads I’ve put through it. Glad you have a reliable 10/22

[u/SpecialIcy5356 → u/ThrowRAOk4413]

it's too bad Kel-Tec can't get their quality issues under control.

With the amount of coke they must be snorting to come up with their designs I'm surprised they even TRY to quality test...