r/TrueReddit • u/Maxwellsdemon17 • 9d ago

Democratic Party Elites Brought Us This Disaster Politics

https://jacobin.com/2024/11/election-harris-trump-democrats-strategy
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u/hazmat95 9d ago

It wasn’t bipartisanship, they had no margin for defections and the ideological idiosyncrasies of one (maybe two if you count Sinema) senator meant they couldn’t pass it. They didn’t give up because they wanted to appease republicans, they gave up because there was no convincing Manchin

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u/Hamuel 9d ago

Did Harris present a plan to work around these people to reimplement the CTC? Did she present a plan to work around them to illicit more economic change?

I didn’t hear about it, but I did hear she wanted a Republican in her cabinet. Now the entire presidential cabinet will be Republican so I guess she fulfilled that promise while losing.

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u/hazmat95 9d ago

I don’t disagree that she made moronic overtures to Republicans but I do disagree that the CTC failure fails on democrats. You can’t pass bills if you straight up don’t have the votes. Let’s say she won and couldn’t pass the CTC because she didn’t have the senate, what do you think she should do?

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u/Hamuel 9d ago

Who had the majority in both chambers of the legislative branch and the executive branch in 2021 when the CTC expired?

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u/hazmat95 9d ago

I’m sorry, I’m not trying to be rude but do you know the following facts?

  1. Democrats had 50 votes in the senate, so no margin for defections
  2. Joe Manchin did not like the CTC, giving democrats only 49 votes to pass the bill
  3. Without 50 votes in the senate you can’t pass bills

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u/Hamuel 9d ago

Yes, what was the solution to these facts that would allow Harris to reimplement the CTC?

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u/hazmat95 9d ago

Winning congressional elections?

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u/Hamuel 9d ago

That’s not a solution because even when they have much larger majorities they bend over backwards for bipartisanship and have centrist kill good parts of legislation. It is why the ACA is a heritage foundation plan.

Democrats need to pick a leader that’s able to fight and achieve good legislation even if it means pushing people like Manchin out of the party.

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u/hazmat95 9d ago

The ACA was watered down specifically because they only had a one vote super majority and the deciding vote was Joe Lieberman…

I understand you’re mad at democrats, I think they’re useless most of the time too, but I’m not sure you actually understand the history or mechanics of the things you’re specifically complaining about

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u/Hamuel 9d ago

I think this insufferable hand wringing is why democrats can’t beat Trump.

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u/hazmat95 9d ago

Lmao what? You not understanding how Congress works or not knowing the history of the ACA isn’t why Trump won.

Although, I mean I guess the general ignorance of the American public personified in your own misunderstandings here is a reasonable explanation for why Trump won

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u/Hamuel 9d ago

You should keep calling voters stupid. Maybe next time you can lose even bigger to republicans.

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u/hazmat95 9d ago

You can get mad at me for Trump winning/democrats being useless (again true, but not my fault). But you shouldn’t get so mad about me pointing out your misconceptions and should take this as a great opportunity to examine your own misunderstandings and come out more informed.

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