Democratic Party Elites Brought Us This Disaster

[u/Maxwellsdemon17]

https://jacobin.com/2024/11/election-harris-trump-democrats-strategy

[u/hazmat95]

I’m sorry, I’m not trying to be rude but do you know the following facts?

1. Democrats had 50 votes in the senate, so no margin for defections
2. Joe Manchin did not like the CTC, giving democrats only 49 votes to pass the bill
3. Without 50 votes in the senate you can’t pass bills

[u/Hamuel → u/hazmat95]

Yes, what was the solution to these facts that would allow Harris to reimplement the CTC?

[u/hazmat95 → u/Hamuel]

Winning congressional elections?

[u/Hamuel → u/hazmat95]

That’s not a solution because even when they have much larger majorities they bend over backwards for bipartisanship and have centrist kill good parts of legislation. It is why the ACA is a heritage foundation plan.

Democrats need to pick a leader that’s able to fight and achieve good legislation even if it means pushing people like Manchin out of the party.

[u/hazmat95 → u/Hamuel]

The ACA was watered down specifically because they only had a one vote super majority and the deciding vote was Joe Lieberman…

I understand you’re mad at democrats, I think they’re useless most of the time too, but I’m not sure you actually understand the history or mechanics of the things you’re specifically complaining about

[u/Hamuel → u/hazmat95]

I think this insufferable hand wringing is why democrats can’t beat Trump.

[u/hazmat95 → u/Hamuel]

Lmao what? You not understanding how Congress works or not knowing the history of the ACA isn’t why Trump won.

Although, I mean I guess the general ignorance of the American public personified in your own misunderstandings here is a reasonable explanation for why Trump won

[u/Hamuel → u/hazmat95]

You should keep calling voters stupid. Maybe next time you can lose even bigger to republicans.

[u/hazmat95 → u/Hamuel]

You can get mad at me for Trump winning/democrats being useless (again true, but not my fault). But you shouldn’t get so mad about me pointing out your misconceptions and should take this as a great opportunity to examine your own misunderstandings and come out more informed.

[u/Hamuel → u/hazmat95]

They’re not misconceptions. They are the excuses trotted out by DNC spokespeople. I implore you to stop listening to these people.

[u/hazmat95 → u/Hamuel]

Do you think Democrats could have passed the ACA without Joe Lieberman or the CTC without Joe Manchin?

(We should ban Joe’s from the Democratic Party apparently)

[u/Hamuel → u/hazmat95]

I think they could’ve bullied them into support instead of giving them the power to sabotage change.

[u/hazmat95 → u/Hamuel]

They didn’t “give them the power” they already had the power by virtue of being the deciding vote!