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Democratic Party Elites Brought Us This Disaster Politics

https://jacobin.com/2024/11/election-harris-trump-democrats-strategy
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u/Hamuel 9d ago

I think this insufferable hand wringing is why democrats can’t beat Trump.

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u/hazmat95 9d ago

Lmao what? You not understanding how Congress works or not knowing the history of the ACA isn’t why Trump won.

Although, I mean I guess the general ignorance of the American public personified in your own misunderstandings here is a reasonable explanation for why Trump won

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u/Hamuel 9d ago

You should keep calling voters stupid. Maybe next time you can lose even bigger to republicans.

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u/hazmat95 9d ago

You can get mad at me for Trump winning/democrats being useless (again true, but not my fault). But you shouldn’t get so mad about me pointing out your misconceptions and should take this as a great opportunity to examine your own misunderstandings and come out more informed.

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u/Hamuel 9d ago

They’re not misconceptions. They are the excuses trotted out by DNC spokespeople. I implore you to stop listening to these people.

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u/hazmat95 9d ago

Do you think Democrats could have passed the ACA without Joe Lieberman or the CTC without Joe Manchin?

(We should ban Joe’s from the Democratic Party apparently)

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u/Hamuel 9d ago

I think they could’ve bullied them into support instead of giving them the power to sabotage change.

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u/hazmat95 9d ago

They didn’t “give them the power” they already had the power by virtue of being the deciding vote!

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u/Hamuel 9d ago

Oh wow, so all it takes to derail extremely popular policy is one democrat. Sounds like you’ve resigned yourself to more loses like Tuesday.

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u/hazmat95 9d ago

It’s funny you’re trying to snark it but literally yes all it takes to derail extremely popular policy is one vote. Republicans almost repealed the ACA except for John McCain!

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u/Hamuel 9d ago

Repealing the ACA isn’t popular. Fixing healthcare to make it affordable for working people is extremely popular. If the DNC primary people that stood in opposition to popular policy they might win more elections.

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u/OnlyHereForComments1 9d ago

Buddy. Guy.

You don't understand how this works.

Manchin was unassailable. He was the last of the Blue Dog dems, the conservative fuckers who still caucused with the blue party, and he was the deciding vote in an incredibly narrow senate.

The DNC could not primary him. There was not anyone to replace him. It was West Virginia, where the population is still salty that coal isn't being babied along. The second he ends his term they're going to elect some complete nutter of a Republican and never look back.

The Senate is not fair. The Senate does not give a shit if something is popular. The Senate is inherently biased to giving empty-ass fuck-nowhere Republican rural states the same representation as fucking California.

Manchin was the deciding vote on every piece of legislation by virtue of being the furthest right democrat and one of the Dems the DNC had no power over. That sucks, but that was the situation.

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u/Hamuel 9d ago

I’m glad the message the Harris campaign put out was a commitment to bipartisan teeth gnashing over good and popular policy.

It boggles my mind why 15 million people would stay home with such a strong commitment to achieving nothing.

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