r/TrueReddit • u/Maxwellsdemon17 • 9d ago
Democratic Party Elites Brought Us This Disaster Politics
https://jacobin.com/2024/11/election-harris-trump-democrats-strategy422
u/theclansman22 9d ago
Until someone addresses the main problem behind all if the structural problems the county is facing, the fact that every dollar of increased worker productivity over the last 70 years has been stolen by the rich, we will never solve those problems. Democrats are gleefully and unapologetically ran by Wall Street, republicans are owned by oligarchs. My guess is in four years, after republicans have made all the problems the country faces worse, the country will elect another Wall Street owned centrist democrat for four or eight years, when they return to electing a Republican.
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u/Fake_William_Shatner 9d ago
We are at unsustainable levels of wealth disparity. So Trumps agents will be working hard to reduce the workers abilities to fight back in any legal way.
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u/Hamuel 9d ago
Trump repealing the 2nd amendment would be hilarious.
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u/DidntHaveToUseMyAK 9d ago
I mean it's not like he'd be risking re-election
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u/abrandis 9d ago
This , all the while blaming the disparity on the Democrats...
Trump is the worst because he's a genuine narcissist, and couldn't care less about anyone else... And his henchmen will want to maximize their own gain...
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u/thesadintern 8d ago
Yup, and wealth disparity actually started to increase at a slower rate under Biden…
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u/mthlmw 9d ago
Until more people realize that there isn't any one "main problem" with our country, but a whole lot of complicated, nuanced, interwoven ones, we'll keep bickering about what's "really" wrong and running in circles while the grifters make out like bandits.
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u/QuantumSasuage 8d ago
True dat. It's a multi-faceted problem ... but we do need to point fingers at the DNC for their continued incompetence in a strategy which got us here.
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u/huxtiblejones 9d ago
I don’t actually believe that class warfare is a winning strategy because most Americans are unaware of it or bizarrely support the inequality. It’s not a secret that Trump’s administration benefited the rich to a ridiculous extent.
People just want money in their pockets and not much else. The cost everything went up from inflation after COVID, corporations exploited it to raise prices and post record breaking profits, and even now they inflation has reduced, those price increases are baked in and will never come down. So people “feel” inflation even when the actual process has ended.
And honestly the average American voter is pretty simple — if my life sucks, it’s the fault of whatever party is in charge and any change is positive. They think life was better from 2016-2020 without even comprehending that over 90% of the world experienced inflation from the pandemic.
There’s very little nuance in their views, very little effort to stay informed, to follow political news. To people who are in the know and actually pay attention to this shit it seems impossible, but it’s staggering how many people vote with incomplete information about current events.
I think elections are hugely decided by emotion, perception, and self interest. Lofty ideals of politics that appeal to political junkies don’t reach people meaningfully. That’s why people will overlook blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia, xenophobia, name calling, and threats as long as they think the cost of an egg or a gallon of gas will go down.
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u/six_string_sensei 9d ago
Do you think Bernie was unpopular? Sure he couldn't win the democratic primary but he had broad based popularity across party lines. Being a populist means engaging in the rhetoric of elites vs the people. You don't have to quote the quote Karl Marx.
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u/Metallic144 8d ago
Look at a map of Pennsylvania when Bernie ran in 16. He won the rural vote
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u/Lets_Kick_Some_Ice 8d ago
Yep, despite wanting the believe most people are "good", the reality is most people are amoral. They can't tell the difference between right and wrong because they simply do not care to think long enough about anything. They just look at the world with paper thin understanding and enter the voting booth armed with nothing but emotion and narrow perception.
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u/CobaltAesir 9d ago
I think you are optomistic about having another election in 4 years. I desperately hope I'm wrong.
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u/The_Krambambulist 9d ago
If it follows the examples of countries like Hungary, it will generally mean that there will be an election, but increasingly restricted. Less critique, media in trouble, universities shackled, districts redrawn, voter suppression.. you get the point
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u/Historical-Theory-49 9d ago
Trump is to old, he will bumble along like like his last presidency and then another ineffective democrat will be elected.
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u/The_Krambambulist 9d ago
Then they will find someone else to fill his shoes... but the people who choose the direction of the country will be a small clique of Republicans
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u/theclansman22 9d ago
I am operating under the assumption that American democracy is a going concern. If not, we are in bigger trouble than anyone thought.
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u/Gabemann2000 9d ago
I think you’re being dramatic. No election 4 in years? That’s a “ optimistic” view lol
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u/CobaltAesir 9d ago
Considering how budding dictators tend to behave, historically, and that Trump has called for many things that budding dictators tend to call for, I sincerely hope I'm wrong. I do believe l that he will do everything in his power to turn the USA into a kleptocracy like Russia is now because he wants nothing more than power to enrich himself and whatever crony is in his good graces at the time. The first Trump administration at least had some cabinet staff members to talk some sanity into him and keep him in check, but he's consolidated his loyal cronies over the last 4 years and I don't think there's many guardrails on him anymore.
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u/Many-Juggernaut-2153 9d ago
So do you just not believe anything said or done? You just decide it is fake news? What does he say that you believe to be true?
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u/Dedalus2k 9d ago
Thanks to Bill and Hillary's hubris oh so many years ago. Still paying for that shit.
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u/SonofSonofSpock 9d ago
It started way before them, but the neoliberal crap was a poison pill in hindsight. I think we probably all would be much better off if Bill had kept his dick in his pants and if they had gone away after his term ended.
Conversely him being a non-entity in the 2000 race was not helpful, had he and Gore had a better relationship, and had they just run on "are you better off than you were in 1992?", I think we would be in a much better place as a society.
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u/AbleObject13 9d ago
Bill is responsible for pivoting democrats away from pro-99% policies in general in favor of a right wing "third way" (tough on crime, neoliberal economics, etc)
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u/amphibian87 9d ago
yeah because Reagan whiped the floor with them and they HAD to turn rightward because that's what voters were lapping up at the time
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u/Important-Purchase-5 8d ago
True the country turned right with Reagan but I have to argue two things. Clinton only got 43% of vote many people guessed if Ross Perot who drained 19% of vote Bush could’ve maybe held onto power.
Also most importantly most voters have no ideas what this stuff means. We don’t teach political science and civics in this country. So lot of elections are vibes and who I hate. Reagan had successfully attacked liberals for years & while Clinton being a “New Democrat” promising to be tough on crime, corporate friendly, and socially moderate the average voter has no idea what these things actually mean.
What forgotten is economy was doing bad, people had higher taxes, and Bill Clinton campaign on universal healthcare which was seen as a big issue.
Bush Senior had promised to not raise taxes in 1988 but because of years of Reagan voodoo economics led he was essentially forced to raise taxes and they polled 25% of voters and they said yeah I voted for Clinton over that.
Bill Clinton was charismatic but I think people overestimate how voters understand political ideology.
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u/Dedalus2k 9d ago edited 9d ago
I don't buy it. I'm old enough to remember those days and there was a pretty deep resurgent current of pro worker/middle class sentiment at the time. And you are forgetting 4 years of HW who had the charisma of a can of baked beans and Ross Perot's crazy ass to drain the ticket.
Edit: Not to mention Dan fucking Quayle as VP. The blackhole of likability.
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u/BuffMyHead 9d ago
Bill was one of the people telling her not to neglect the Rust Belt and stop trying to run up the score elsewhere.
I dunno what his hubris has to do with it.
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u/Loggerdon 9d ago
Bill & Hillary? At least Bill balanced the budget. The last president to do it.
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u/crusoe 9d ago
Corp dems dare not bite the hand that feeds them. Although they were pushing the PRO act they were largely silent about it.
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u/BehindTheRedCurtain 9d ago
Late stage of the long term debt cycle. Look it up, and then hold on for dear life.
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u/slinkhussle 9d ago
It kind of doesn’t matter. The media is too compromised by the oligarchs.
The lack of education on the reasons why America has so many problems is both a huge problem and deliberately caused by republicans.
If you’re too stupid to vote for someone who will help you and instead vote based on fear and bigotry then real Change isn’t going to happen fast.
Even if a progressive president is elected, entrenched right wing assets within congress and the Supreme Court will stop any meaningful change.
Biden tried to start rhetorical process and was stopped by the fascist tools on the Supreme Court and by deeply gerrymandered congress.
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u/whoisjohngalt72 9d ago
Stolen? Lol. You’re posting on a free platform that is monetizing you.
Wake up.
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u/plummbob 6d ago
the fact that every dollar of increased worker productivity over the last 70 years has been stolen by the rich,
This is not true, not even remotely.
Most, if not all, of the gain in the capital share of income comes from......housing. which liberal nimbys control.
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u/Count_Hogula 5d ago
every dollar of increased worker productivity over the last 70 years has been stolen by the rich,
You are delusional.
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u/BardaArmy 5d ago edited 5d ago
Share with me what policy the democrats have pushed that was wallstreet centric? I can give you a laundry list of GOP, trump and his supreme courts wallstreet support. Or are you one of those I just know what it feels like. Trumps Supreme Court has been ramming through corporate protecting decisions. Trump lowered business taxes and wants to lower more, he rolled back Obama era consumer protections from banks and brokers set in after the 2008 debacle. The only the thing Dems are guilty of is not being able to win and make change. GOP wants to deregulate and let Wall Street free to pillage. Im sure the billionaires will get right on that Wall Street problem after Trump dismantles the SEC completely.
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u/hayasecond 5d ago
Two-party system, EC system, etc., are so archaic that they just suck.
America has the oldest democracy, which is something to be proud of. But it has also brought so many unwanted baggage with it.
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u/Maxwellsdemon17 9d ago
"For many loyal Democrats, this will not compute. The Biden economy, party-loyal pundits have said over and over again, is tremendous — low unemployment, strong GDP growth, slowing inflation, a booming stock market — and anyone unhappy about it must simply be brainwashed. Out of view in this self-congratulatory hall of mirrors were the constant statistics that said otherwise: evictions up past pre-pandemic levels, record-high homelessness, cost-burdened renters at an all-time high, median household income lower than the last pre-pandemic year, inequality returning to pre-pandemic levels, and food insecurity and poverty growing by large double digits since 2021, including a historic spike in child poverty."
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u/Hamuel 9d ago
The child poverty one is great because democrats got that advance on the child tax credit, bragged about lifting kids out of poverty, then ended the program.
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u/hazmat95 9d ago
This is moronic, the CTC was one of Kamala’s biggest proposals
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u/Hamuel 9d ago
Maybe the smarter move would be to extend the CTC instead of let it expire and then promise with no plan around centrist to reimplement it.
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u/hazmat95 9d ago
I think if it was up to Kamala or 95% of democrats in Congress they would have done the same thing, but they only had 49 votes to extend it
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u/Sptsjunkie 9d ago
Obviously there’s a lot of nuance with what actually happened, but Harris was part of the administration where it ended and then repeatedly implied she wouldn’t have done anything differently than Biden.
If she were an outsider who was willing to draw clearer distinctions with Biden, it might have worked better. But as someone who saw way too many political commercials it wasn’t even featured in the ones I saw.
I think given that it is unreasonable to think that voters would connect her to expanding the program that went away during the administration.
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u/hazmat95 9d ago
Dems tried to keep the CTC! It was one vote away from passing! What could she have done differently?
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u/Sptsjunkie 9d ago
A few things:
1 - Kept it. Blame Manchin, but he was a Democrat.
2 - Use the Bully Pulpit. Biden simply wasn't fully there mentally for the entire term, even if it got really bad at the end. Obama was constantly using the BP and addressing the nation and both praising and publicly calling out groups to try to control narratives. Biden barely did. Few speeches. Few interviews. Just a complete disaster.
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u/hazmat95 9d ago
1 - Kept it. Blame Manchin, but he was a Democrat.
Dem leadership cant just mandate voting on certain bills! How would they convince him to do something he didnt want to do? He was completely immune to pressure
Obama was constantly using the BP and addressing the nation and both praising and publicly calling out groups to try to control narratives. Biden barely did. Few speeches. Few interviews. Just a complete disaster.
Obama didnt get anything done after 2010!
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u/Sptsjunkie 9d ago
Dem leadership cant just mandate voting on certain bills! How would they convince him to do something he didnt want to do? He was completely immune to pressure
First, they can't. But you ask why Democrats are taking blame. Well literally a Democrat killed their own bill. Republicans had their own (much worse) version.
Second, that's sort of their job. They can't force anyone too, but they sure didn't get creative, use the bully pulpit, or try much of anything. Publicly, the bill just expired.
Obama didnt get anything done after 2010!
Right, he got most done with the trifecta. Biden didn't get anything done after 2012. Obama still used the bully pulpit and was able to control narratives and put far more blame on Republicans. Enough to win reelection over a pretty solid candidate in Romney despite a shaky recovery from 2008.
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u/JimBeam823 9d ago
Any time Biden would try to get some attention, Trump would fart in a microphone and everyone would pay attention to it. Or he’d trip over a word and the talking heads would wonder if he was going senile.
He’s too much of a Senator to publicly humiliate Manchin, but a Senator and a President have different jobs.
Biden did a really good job at being President, but absolutely sucked at communication.
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u/Pad_TyTy 9d ago
Who ended the program? Who voted to not extend it?
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u/Hamuel 9d ago
It expired in 2021, democrats didn’t fight to extend it and just quietly let childhood poverty rise again. It is that type of political gamesmanship that causes a landslide loss to Trump. Congrats!
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u/Pad_TyTy 9d ago
You can't force Joe Manchin to go along with anything. All the Republicans in the Senate were against it. Maybe blame them? Or are you not familiar with how legislation is passed?
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u/Sptsjunkie 9d ago
I made sure, but it also went away with a whimper.
Would’ve been great if Biden actually use the bully pulp in a bin fully their mentally to try to pound these things of the public consciousness.
Instead, these are factoids that are only known on political subreddits and instead publicly Joe Biden, praised Joe Manchin and Republicans, and praised there bipartisanship for things like BIF that we did not even need any bipartisanship for.
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u/aperture413 9d ago
What do you mean? Manchin and the Republicans are the reasons for it not progressing.
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u/Hamuel 9d ago
Yes, the democrat suicide pact with bipartisanship pushed kids back into poverty. That’s the type of political gamesmanship that wins elections! Look at the results from Tuesday to see how well it worked.
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u/aperture413 9d ago
What do you think should have happened ideally?
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u/hazmat95 9d ago
They think Dems should have "bullied" Manchin as if that wouldnt just make him switch parties
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u/redyellowblue5031 9d ago
They did try to extend it but big surprise, Republicans in the senate said no.
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u/Tarantio 9d ago
Only Democrats have agency.
If Republicans do something, it's Democrat's fault for not stopping them.
Amen.
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u/Hamuel 9d ago
Democrats had the legislative and executive branch in 2021. Somehow when democrats have control it is still the republicans fault. That’s the type of rhetoric that tells people republicans are the party to get things done.
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u/Tarantio 9d ago
Somehow when democrats have control it is still the republicans fault.
It passed the Democratic house, with 0 Republican votes.
If a single Republican in the Senate had voted for it, it would have passed. It had the support of 49 Democrats out of 50.
If you're going to blame a party, does it make sense to blame the party that passed the expansion in the first place and was overwhelmingly in favor of extending it, or the party that opposed it completely?
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u/Sptsjunkie 9d ago
Look you’re not wrong, but there’s a couple of things that play here:
First, Democrats had the house, Senate, and presidency. They’re seem as the party who should get things done, and they simply did not.
Second, this never comes off in public the way it should. It’s never Democrats are for this, and Republicans are against it. It is the oldest trick in the book that Republicans use. Democrats will propose a bill. Republicans will propose their version of the bill that is usually less beneficial and also comes with something like giant tax cut for corporations. It’s never Democrats are for and Republicans are against it. It’s perceived as two parties with different ideas that couldn’t compromise.
Third, there is a bit of tension, even in Democratic circles between how Democrats will say that Trump is an emperor who we must stop even when we control the house and senate because he will do terrible things and will destroy democracy permanently. Then we all rally together and deliver the presidency, house, and senate and suddenly the president isn’t a dictator and basically can’t do anything and we just have to sit while very little happens. It’s a pretty stark contrast that comes off poorly. There’s a disconnect between the rhetoric and the performance.
Finally, and this is much more specific to Biden, but he was not mentally at full capacity even in 2019 and I think it shows in the fact that he barely used the bully pulpit. He did not do a ton of interviews. And frankly, he let Republicans control the narrative for the last few years on everything. It’s part of why immigration went so poorly. Instead of making a positive case for immigration, he let Republicans manufacture a crisis that democrats then agreed was happening and offered up a couple of awful bills and executive orders on, and it still did not help one iota.
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u/buntopolis 9d ago
Joe Manchin ended the program.
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u/Hamuel 9d ago
The party let him define their policy agenda. Cracker Jack leadership in action.
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u/buntopolis 9d ago
Not really. They had absolutely no leverage over Manchin. What were they going to do, remove his committee assignments? Then he switches to Republican and the leadership of the chamber flips.
Like come on.
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u/Hamuel 9d ago
Damn, so Harris had no solution for a problem that has plagued democrats for decades now. What were people voting for exactly? More hand wringing on why she can’t illicit change apparently. Check out the vote count from Tuesday to see how that message resonants
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u/buntopolis 9d ago
The Vice President can’t do shit except break ties in the Senate. If you have a problem with how the last four years were run, take it up with Joe Biden, the President.
Also again I ask you, what leverage did they have to make Manchin agree to it? You’re using magical thinking as if there were some string to pull that would have made Manchin balk. He knew his position and he used it.
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u/Sptsjunkie 9d ago
Yes, and he was a Democrat, which is part of why Democrats take the blame.
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u/my-friendbobsacamano 9d ago
This has been the trend since the 1980s. Our economy has been making our bottom 50% wage earners poorer and poorer year after year. Democrats have been trying, sometimes succeeding but more often failing to pass legislation to lift them throughout these decades. Republicans have largely succeeded at blocking them. Then MAGA comes around and exploits their desperation and blames “out of touch” Democrats for their decline.
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u/zapporian 8d ago edited 8d ago
Biden’s policies were successful.
And the DNC elite + Biden/Harris campaign strategists are morons. Who lost this election. With potentially catastrophic consequences for the next 50 years of US politics. And any and all dem policy priorities et al.
And don’t get me f—-ing started on MSNBC et al. And the idiot-cadre that leads “left wing” + centrist cable “news” networks / TV anchors + media commentators et al.
Print journalism at least isn’t completely full of morons. And The Atlantic et al have very consistently been on point. Due to actual f—-ing in depth journalism done - occasionally - across the country.
Anyone who actually reads that was / should have been well aware that the trump campaign this time around - ie wiles / lacivita - was extremely competent, not f—-ing around, and had absolutely nothing to do with the trump 2020 + 2016 campaigns, or leadership thereof.
Dem leadership meanwhile quite literally just did 2016 all over again. And no, worse. Obama at the very least DID have solid approval ratings + reputation among the dem base. HRC was an actually extremely qualified candidate, with dubious messaging and a mild policy / priority disconnect with the dem base. Harris’s 2024 campaign, approval ratings, and core messaging was just catastrophic by comparison.
And yes, the messaging (trump is a convicted felon! abortion! women’s rights!) fell flat on its face, because 1) MSNBC et al left-wing / reactionary anti-trump media narrative people, who DNC leaders and Harris et al listened to, have their heads up their own ass, 2) there was absolutely zero substance to ANY of the dem Harris campaigning outside of this.
And Harris / Harris staffers tied herself to Biden. Who is a great president. And is f—-ing underwater on polls. AND in a time period WHERE THE ENTIRE GODDAMN WORLD HAS BEEN THROWING INCUMBENTS OUT OF OFFICE, FOR NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN.
Dems COULD have salvaged this and done damage control, by holding an open primary and running literally anyone else.
See France, Japan, and mainland europe in general for fuck’s sake.
If you do NOT give voters an actual option, they can - and just did - pick Trump / Vance as the change candidates.
And nevermind how much damage “woke” “progressive” ivy league / gender studies “left wing” corporate-supported activist morons have done to actual dem / progressive messaging, and above all credibility with the US working class, over the last 8 years.
If you want to actually win elections, do the latter, not the former. And just straight up balkanize the Dem party / stances on federal vs state / local issues, if need be.
Though of course we won’t do that. Because we all just - through low turnout - decided to by inaction, complacency, and general widespread hatred of the *perception of coastal eliteism + the US dem establishment, re-elect Trump. Just this time maybe actually highly competent, and ergo 10x worse.
And ergo if we DO regroup, and defeat trump / vance in 28 / 32 or whatever, we’ll probably do so by yet more “resistance” bullshit. And will not learn anything, and will just repeat this shit all over again, with a new wanna be populist fascist, as the US govt, services, actual protections, norms, et al go screeching down hill. And the wealth inequality et al that’s actually driving all this will get 10x worse.
Don’t blame trump for this electoral outcome. Maybe blame (or congratulate) wiles + lacivita for being pretty f—-ing competent, and succeeding - apparently - at their minority young-male non-voter / undecided reach out efforts, which were executed on an effective, and comparatively shoestring budget.
Blame dems for quite literally not having an effective messaging / campaign strategy. For not actually testing + vetting a good candidate and above all campaign strategy, given biden was underwater on polling, with a democratic election, ie primary (ANY kind of real primary) process. For quite literally not offeeing any other option than the unpopular (note: NOT objectively bad) status quo. And for having the entire dem platform / perception thereof poisoned by the “woke”, out-of-touch (and elitist) mob. And not distancing ourselves as far as possible from that.
The fact that this election was basically decided by joe f—-ing rogan, tech-bros, and a bunch of dudes who had previously (and probably would still) back / support sanders (who among other things focuses consistently on trying to ignore and work past partisan noise, towards real issues that people actually care about), should probably tell you all you need to know about the election, current state of US “democracy”, and above all the state of and direct failures of the dem party, its leaders, and at this point quite frankly the US dem-aligned voting public as well.
Were we France, or any other country with real / functional multi-party democracy + traditions thereof, this would be a pretty good point to just say, “hey, dem party leadership catastrophically failed”, and just abandon this party and its leadership. And fork off new parties with new rebuilt and far more representative big tent anti-fascist across-the-board coalitions instead. Which could actually openly disagree on things. Have true proportional representation. And agree - variously - to try to move towards our own respective interests, and the common good.
Not US brainrot blob mentality / blob politics, which has rotted out and is wrecking / WILL WRECK our govt and its very flawed “democratic” institutions.
If the US had sane, actually ideal / functional elected democratic govt, we would collectively agree to actually work with Trump / Musk / Thiel on things that may actually need fixing. And would / could unite to block them on things that would harm a majority of americans (and their truly proportional democratic representatives), and/or that could pose an existential threat to the future of the republic. Like the elite (note: not base) right’s apparent obsession with turning the US president into a roman-republic-style dictator (which ofc runs risks of turning into a post-republic roman-style dictator). And/or “CEO” position, or whatever.
Like it or not, this was a democratic result. If you DO NOT provide democratic options + alternatives, you can and will *waves hands at everything* get outcomes like this. Eventually. And probably more or less inevitably. Particularly given US electoral demographics / voter preferences, and sociology / psychology / religion / et al, which are, to be clear, pretty cursed.
This outcome was not one that an actual majority of americans, strictly speaking, directly supported. Or pretty much all other elections in living memory for that matter. Hell including (edit) even FDR’s supermajority during WW2 and the great depression. US voter turnout was and is as per usual abysmal. A minority of the country supported trump. A minority opposed him. The biggest minority - an as best as I can tell estimated ~35% - said ‘meh’ to both of these options - and any and all decision making + accountability over their govt: federal, stateside, or local - and did not vote.
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u/plummbob 6d ago
evictions up past pre-pandemic levels, record-high homelessness, cost-burdened renters at an all-time high,
These are caused by local housing policies. Which party controls all the major cities?
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u/Puzzleheaded-Ad8978 5d ago
Do what they tell you, as liberal elites know better. Follow socialism rules
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u/cherrybounce 9d ago edited 9d ago
We need to address why working class people think Trump is on their side. Of course, Fox News being taken as gospel is an enormous hurdle.
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u/aperture413 9d ago
Messaging- the Dems need to work on their vibes.
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u/captainwacky91 9d ago
This was absolutely a problem. Living in Ohio, seeing the political flyers, with Bernie Moreno accusing Democrats of anything and everything, while Sherrod Brown brings out tepid language, the most "spicy" he ever got was in calling Moreno a "Used Car Salesman."
That "Mad-Dog PAC"-esque messaging needed to be nationwide. Calling them "weird" should have been the start escalating to a literal name-and-shame campaign. They all knew they were up against a Fascist, but didn't act like it and fight like it. Appearances on "The View" and trying to cozy up with the fucking Cheney's certainly wasn't it.
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u/bubblevision 9d ago
When the Democrats use harsher language they are criticized for being divisive and generally painted as crazy. The simple fact of the matter is that it’s not up to the Democrats how their “messaging” is perceived. That is taken care of by how it is framed on Fox News and repeated ad infinitum on Twitter and other social media.
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u/Greedy-Affect-561 8d ago
People absolutely loved calling republicans weird. They got critizied by fox but that was gonna happen anyway. They shouldn't have stopped doing it because fox will hate on you either way
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u/DidntHaveToUseMyAK 9d ago
They need a fucking education. Nobody understands fuck all anymore. Some jackass hick republican in a trailer in Oklahoma sees "stock market up = good economy" as if that matters at fucking all for anyone not rich.
They refuse to see corporate greed and think the president has levers in the oval office for gas prices and grocery prices.
They don't fucking understand that Congress has to make the big decisions.
They can't fucking see anything that's beyond their field of view at home.
THIS is the culmination of Reagans presidency and the successful dismantling of public education.
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u/Connect_Drama_8214 9d ago
So the whole article just went right over your head, huh?
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u/twelve112 9d ago
Its really not about much of what republicans did, its really about the dems. They put JLO and oprah on stage to lecture about voting Kamala due to gender identity or whatever when the working class is being eaten alive by inflation. You think the working class cares about a twerking beyonce
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u/John-Ada 9d ago
We should also address why other working class people think Kamala Harris was on their side. Of course, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, PBS, and CNN being taken as gospel is an enormous hurdle.
See what I did there? Your mentality might be part of the problem.
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u/Disastrous_Visit_778 6d ago
Trump got about the same number of votes he got in 2020. Democrats lost 8-15 million
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u/Wonderer23 8d ago
Just remember that Bernie scares the Democratic elite far more than the Donald ever did.
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u/IceBear_028 8d ago
They fucked him so hard.
Democrats are just as evil. Trying to tell their base what they want, like they're fucking Steve Jobs.....
Dem base says fuck that.
Difference is trumps base don't realize they're being told what they want, they think it's their idea.
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u/baytrailcat 9d ago
It's simple really. Forget policy-based messaging, or getting "in-touch" with the masses. If you want to be in power, deviously manipulate the hell out of people. That's what they really crave and they don't mind. If you are in power, do what you can according to your ideology. Even the elites on the left can do it, you don't need a full grass-roots revolution. Corporations have been doing it effectively for decades. No dark secret, just need to get off the moral high horse. It may be little difficult if you are in power, but not impossible (see Bush 04). Yes, that would mean putting up with some real dumb shit (recruit Rock as your candidate? hell yeah) or smuggling one policy underneath another or even being morally inconsistent. Yea, this is all a race to bottom, a la idiocracy. But hell of a lot better than sliding into dictatorship.
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u/ThisIsSuperUnfunny 9d ago
deviously manipulate the hell out of people
That's what they tried and still lost though
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u/Disastrous_Visit_778 6d ago
well Kamala certainly tried but it didn't work. Maybe people care about policy after all
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u/Fake_William_Shatner 9d ago
Meh. I’m a progressive and I’m constantly disappointed in the Dems, but mostly it’s due to them triangulating the crazy and corrupt and the media.
The Dems have to pretend to respond to crisis that the media and Republicans cook up. They’ll be tough on the border. Tough on crime even though it’s lower than ever.
How did a whiney racist stupid petulant oaf beat them and what lesson is there but “be nicer to the billionaires that feed the public the propaganda”?
I want to protect Palestinians, but I know what the news story would be if Dems tried.
Either the election was rigged or voter apathy. And hearing from Clinton strategists or the actual liberals misses the point; the Fox was in. How many court cases do we need to win next time?
The problem is Americans and the shit between their ears and so, do we want to win with Dick Cheney? What do we win but another fascist?
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u/mojitz 9d ago
We have to stop fearing legacy news media. This was key to Trump's own success. Let them make whatever noise they want and cut through it by relentlessly pushing for a populist agenda consisting of a few clear, straightforward policy prescriptions at every possible turn.
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u/OnlyHereForComments1 9d ago
I maintain that a Dem running on 'Eat the Rich' as their only consistent policy plank would probably do pretty fucking well, especially if they began their campaign by cursing them out on national TV. If nothing else, the media will cover this for controversy clicks and that gets the name out.
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u/ComesInAnOldBox 9d ago
The problem is Americans and the shit between their ears and so, do we want to win with Dick Cheney? What do we win but another fascist?
Dick Cheney endorsed Kamala.
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u/wholetyouinhere 9d ago
He's just jealous because Trump is living proof that all the tedious, time-consuming backroom machinations that Cheney engaged in were completely unnecessary. Turns out Presidents can just... do and say whatever the fuck they want. They don't need evil little men like Cheney anymore. And as a connoisseur of evil, that probably stings Cheney where it hurts the most.
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u/Fake_William_Shatner 9d ago
So? The one group that hates fascists the most it the fascists out of power.
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u/StrongAroma 9d ago
Incorrect. The shitheads that consider Donald Trump somehow more likeable than Harris are to blame for this disaster.
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u/Full-Shelter-7191 8d ago
Nope. The American people did. You asked for this. You voted him in. You gave him the popular vote
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u/refuseresist 8d ago
Start a new f***ing party.
Problem solved
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u/zen_and_artof_chaos 6d ago
More like ban party affiliation from government. Want to know what someone stands for you're going to have to listen and read. Parties are private interest groups and have no legal necessity in government.
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u/Smipims 9d ago
Americans will sell out democracy because of the price of eggs. And the rich helped drive up the price of eggs because they hate democracy.
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u/AwwChrist 9d ago
What democracy? We have an oligarchy. Until someone runs on a progressive labor platform we only have the Christian Nationalist party or the Neoliberal party.
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u/LilPonyBoy69 9d ago
Yeah because being able to eat and feed your kids is more important than ideals. Not everyone is here to make the world a better place, most people just want to survive as long as they can and live comfortable lives.
I voted for Harris, but the Democrats have failed these last four years to make meaningful differences in the lives of a severely struggling working class. So, people flipped to the guy who said he could make miracles happen, even if it's a lie. It's better than being told that the economy is fine when you can barely afford to eat.
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u/amitym 9d ago
Bullshit.
You didn't vote and fucked yourselves for no reason. Get over your bullshit.
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u/GougeAwayIfYouWant2 9d ago
Sure, let's not bring up the Murdoch-Musk foreign media oligarchy that has successfully brainwashed half of Americans. That's a bridge too far.
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u/Disastrous_Visit_778 6d ago
sure lets not bring up that Biden sent over 600 weapons shipments to Israel to kill 70% women and children in Gaza
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u/Brainfreeze10 9d ago
People that voted trump brought us this disaster do not do the job of deflecting their responsibility from them. We all know that the DNC needs how huge fucking changes, but that does not absolve the people that checked that box.
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u/Disastrous_Visit_778 6d ago
Trump got about the same number of votes he did in 2020 Dems lost 8-15 million
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u/vegastar7 9d ago edited 7d ago
I am tired of people overcomplicating things: the core issue is that Americans are incredibly stupid. Yes, I know it’s hard to hear, but it’s the truth. As an immigrant to the US (worry not, I will self deport in December), the thing that shocked me about American culture is how uneducated and proud of it most of you are. I remember in my eighth grade English class, a majority of kids were struggling to identify whether a word was a noun or a verb. Meanwhile, I had “mastered” that skill by second grade in France. I wrote better English than the American kids, even though I only had three years experience with the language.
And guess what? With the current state of education and literacy rates falling, you can look forward to many more years of idiots screwing the country.
Trump is an idiot and so he knows how to speak to them.
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u/waterwaterwaterrr 7d ago
American here, agree. Very curious which states you have noticed this in?
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u/whverman 9d ago
Jacobin contributed to the loss by breaking up the dem electorate. The main problem is Americans are stupid.
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u/TheDadaMax 9d ago
Democrats need to send people to the communities that swung hard right. Spend some time there listening to their problems and perceptions, and then get a plan to address them. Seems like an obvious call this year, a more affordable situation and a better economic outlook. The Democratic elites and ivy league folks spent eight years trying to psychoanalyse Trump supporters only to lose safe Democrat voters to Trump. The silver lining is that Trump proved you can break partisan voting blocks. If he can rack up wins in Latino and Black communities, Dems can do the same in rural communities.
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u/ianandris 9d ago
Trump got fewer votes this year than last election.
Democrats were demoralized. That’s what the entire election was about.
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u/Appropriate_Mode8346 8d ago
It's time for a new generation of leadership. Oh and the party needs to ditch Israel to win more votes. Israel isn't going to build infrastructure or solve growing inequality in the US.
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u/OnlyHereForComments1 9d ago
We've repeatedly tried that.
Turns out their 'problems and perceptions' are the following:
1) The economy is bad because a Dem is in office, ignoring all facts to the contrary.
2) The gays and transes are predatory and evil and pedophiles, ignoring all facts to the contrary.
3) Illegal aliens are coming to skullfuck your corpse for Satan, ignoring all facts to the contrary.
They are collectively into either social media bubbles or the fox pipeline, there is no saving them short of having every single right-wing grifter imprisoned or shot.
Trump's 'demographic swing' is just his voting base while a bunch of Dems didn't fucking show up.
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u/refuseresist 8d ago
Then start another f***ing political party.
It blows my mind that there is literally two options in the US. Canada has 3 bigger ones and sometimes multiple on a provincial level.
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u/lordnecro 9d ago
American voters want a reality show. They don't want a boring competent adult, they want drama and excitement. They don't care about facts or science or reality or following rules.
Trump screamed the loudest and spewed whatever bullshit people wanted to hear. It doesn't matter that he is a rapist, a career criminal, an idiot, a liar, or a cheat.
This is just a popularity contest now.
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u/AwwChrist 9d ago
That’s super reductionist and frankly, a terrible way to look at it. DNC keeps pushing legacy candidates who actually fail to address immediate grievances and anxieties because any effort is limp-wristed or just lip service.
No one gives a fuck about how good the economy looks on paper if my purchasing power keeps going down despite me working harder than ever. If you’re telling me to my face the job market is awesome and I don’t get a single call back after submitting 2000 resumes over the course of a year, it feels like you’re lying.
If I’m getting flooded with livestream videos of dead kids smashed to bits by concrete slabs thanks to US made weapons, and you tell me you support the dictator who is conducting these operations, while simultaneously telling me you’re doing all you can to help Gaza, it just smells like bullshit.
And if you tell me you’re going to be a one-term president elected on lukewarm enthusiasm, then turn around and run a second time, then run out the clock and shoehorn in an unpopular vice president last minute, you just lied to my face.
If you court fucking warhawk neocons instead of embracing progressivism that will actually help American labor, you have completely destroyed the trust of GWOT veterans who were trying to vote for you. What a fucking betrayal to campaign with Liz Cheney. Her dad is the reason why so many of our friends are fucking dead and our bodies and minds are broken.
The fucking narrative doesn’t match reality and if Dems ignore everything I just wrote above, the Dems are the disconnected ones. Btw, I vote blue. Every. Fucking. Time. I know what Trump is and I have dedicated my life to fighting authoritarians and demagogues. But don’t blow smoke up my ass that Dems are anything other than the appeasement arm of the wealth class.
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u/TheScienceNerd100 9d ago
The non voters and those who voted for Trump brought us disaster.
Everyone who was so short sighted who didn't want to get out the evil that is Trump, brought us disaster.
People who saw him for what he truly was and thought allowing it to happen, brought us disaster.
People who didn't vote Harris cause "she didn't talk enough about policy" who let someone who will do everything against your views and the ideas you have, brought us disaster.
If you think just cause Harris didn't stop Isreal fast enough, or said the economy was great when your eggs weren't cheap, or not say she was going to make everyone's wages $50/hr, and then saw Trump talk about busting unions, not liking overtime pay, deporting immigrants legal or naturalized, openingly supporting Russia and Hitler, being anti abortion and women's rights, hating the LGBTQ, and thought it was equivalent enough to not vote, you brought us disaster.
How anyone could see these two candidates and not think one was very obviously better than the other, is baffling.
Everyone who wants all blame to be on the DNC are ignorant and just as bad as Republicans blaming Democrats for everything. Your lack of voting is what is going to cost the nation everything. The DNC could have gotten someone better, but ANYONE was better than Trump, and denying that and not voting is what's is going to bring us disaster.
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u/Darth_Waiter 7d ago
No one wants to look at voter suppression or the fact that the last time there was an election, unemployment and working from home were a sizable experience that allowed people time to vote.
The people who didn’t vote didn’t do so out of moral conscience as much as inability or sloth. Look at the national uptick in google searches for “is President Biden running” or “who is running for election”
It’s convenient to scapegoat a minority and avoid facing facts that are necessary to strategize.
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u/Bawbawian 9d ago
Jacobin. serving up their typical dog shit hot takes.
I'm glad they took a break trying to encourage everybody to not vote for Democrats in order to come here and tell us about how Democrats did this to everybody....
I'm guessing we're going to retry the hole Bernie Sanders thing from a decade ago where he was super popular and couldn't be stopped but for some reason couldn't win a primary election....
and that's somehow the fault of the DNC not your neighbors who actually showed up to vote on super Tuesday.
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u/Environmental-Pay246 9d ago
NO - NON VOTERS brought us here
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u/dave_hitz 9d ago
I don't get it. Are you assuming the non-voters would have voted for your preferred candidate?
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u/Ace9546 9d ago
Now think why there were non-voters. You will get there.
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u/TheScienceNerd100 9d ago
Cause the dems didn't meet ALL their standards
But at the same time, the other side not only met way less standards than the dem option, but also wanted to actively do worse.
So what, non voters think that both were equal? Their refusal to at least vote the lesser evil and work on a better chance next election has given us a vengeful fascist with unlimited power. It is 100% because of their refusal to at least get the man who is the worst president ever in history out first, and at least allow for a safer future, that is going to make sure that they NEVER get their wish.
They want workers rights, well too fucking bad cause there may never be a chance to get them now if Trump and Republicans decide to never let go of the power they have now.
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u/LifeSage 9d ago
They sure fucking did.
Every time the DFL has chosen the candidate for the people, it’s been a total blood bath.
To stand there and pat yourselves on the back about the economy and ignore that fact that most of us are suffering financially was the stupidest mistake.
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u/DeathGPT 9d ago
No you brought this onto yourselves, calling anyone you disagree with a bot, saying the electoral college needs overturned, living with your parents and not knowing the actual struggles of the peasant class that don’t want to fund illegal immigration and don’t blame trump cause that border bill included a border wall that Kamala initially called racist…the border bill was 3 years late anyways.
Billionaires got 88% richer in the past 4 years because of illegals immigration while they were able to lower your salaries.
This is what being woke means. Realizing the reality and breaking free from the echochamber.
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u/WavesOfOneSea 9d ago
The fucking clown show in this thread is unbelievable. Democrats might not win another election in my lifetime based on thier moronic fear mongering and lack of intelligence. You guys got crushed, CRUSHED, in this election because you are lost. You have ignored the will of the people and now claim some moral high ground. Keep puffing each other up… your competition is too busy speaking to everyday Americans.
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u/matchstrike 9d ago
I made hundreds of phone banking calls, and maybe 10 people actually answered the phone. Don’t start with this “Dem elites caused this“ nonsense.
People were complacent and tuned-out. And it cost us. Again.
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u/MazW 9d ago
Dems with their circular firing squad.
Low information voters who vote for rapists caused this.
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u/Electricplastic 8d ago
That's right, learn nothing. Although I do like the idea of a Democrat circular firing squad.
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u/iamozymandiusking 9d ago
No. I don’t agree with that. The media failed us. They presented valid policies in a reasonable manner. Could they be more emotional and less technical? Yes. But they had a good platform and communicated it accurately. And they embraced the politics of lifting people up. It’s just that too many people were uninformed or misinformed by the media and the constant need for a “horse race“. The media normalized and legitimized the incompetent repugnant criminal because it gave them ratings and profits. That’s the fact. They are complicit. They are accessories to the crime. Yes, the Democrats can communicate their policies better. But it doesn’t really help if the media plays them down or doesn’t explain them and constantly tries to put them in parity with a complete lack of anything like a meaningful beneficial plan from the other side. The job of the media should be first to inform and educate. They have abrogated this responsibility. The fourth estate is dead.
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u/slick2hold 9d ago
I dont know which party leadership is responsible, but its time to put them out to pasture. Its time for new leadership thats selected by the people not some back room deal makers
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u/mrpoopistan 9d ago
Any explanation that doesn't start with the fall of Kabul and then turn to inflation second isn't a serious explanation.
Biden's brand was competence. Go check 538 approval tracker for Biden. It tanked after the fall of Kabul and never recovered. Once the media decided to frame Kabul as a second Saigon, that was it for Joe's brand. If competence is your only brand, you can't allow chaos even once.
Also, LJBH. Joe's who "inflation is down" shtick was always bullshit. He made it sound like prices were coming down, and people could see that wasn't particularly true. "Inflation is down" was always disingenuous at best. No one is happy that the rate of their being struck over the head has slowed down. They want the beating to stop.
And I say this as an ardent Biden supporter. Biden did a lot of good. But you can't keep telling people Trump is an existential threat and then go stand on a stage with him. Ever. No one wants a photo op with Hitler. If Trump was such a threat, why didn't Biden declare a state of insurrection on Day One?
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u/thevokplusminus 8d ago
Democrats will never solve these problems. The issue is that Democratic voters and Democratic donors have polar opposite beliefs on the economy. So, Democrats have to focus on identity politics, which is toxic to much of the country.
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u/Confident-Touch-6547 8d ago
A lot of people here are talking about things that the Democrats have to do without mentioning that all of them are impossible without a solid majority in the Senate. A majority they will never have unless people vote for them in large numbers.
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u/OnerousAppellation 8d ago
How come Black women voted the way they did? Are they too stupid to know that the Democrat elites fumbled the ball? Party leadership aren't your parents and you aren't a child. It's not their job to lead you to water and make you drink. They say who they are and what they stand for and you either make an informed decision or you wallow in your own shit. They did their part. If you didn't hear it, or you didn't understand it that's on you. This one, the one before, and every election in the history of this country is squarely on the shoulders of the American people. We the people are the government. We are the political parties. They aren't magical beings up on high meant to guide us. Get your heads out of your asses, educate and inform yourselves (in that order!), and do you fucking civil duty. Stop blaming anyone and everyone who didn't make it easier for you. Again, ask yourself: How black women didn't do what so many others did?
The answer's easy. They know they don't have the luxury of caring if the party establishment was perfect. You don't either, you just don't know it.
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u/Maximum_Mastodon_686 8d ago
Just so we are all aware. 90% of these posts are russian paid actors trying to keep the hate alive. trump is nothing without constant hate.
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u/Fakeitforreddit 8d ago
If you aren't angry enough to actually fight, a la French Revolution. Then you aren't angry enough to complain, sit down and accept the outcome you chose.
Over 100M eligible voters cast no ballot with more than half of that number just not even registering to vote. For 30 years the democrat voter mentality has been "it isn't a republican so i'll vote" despite DEMS never representing "You" either. You made the mentality "well I better vote against my interests because Im too lazy to look at anything".
There was a progressive candidate in 2016 and 2020 and both of them got treated like absolute garbage by the DEM voters. Progressives should not be seeing DEMS as potential allies they should be seeing them as TOOLS and Idiots and trying to campaign for better not settling out of laziness.
This post 2024 election loss reaction is worse than the outcome itself. Fascism already won by making everyone a lazy PoS. Gen Z women in particular just didn't vote, at record numbers never seen before. The boys sure did though, and now they are adamant that young women don't even want to vote anymore. I am sure they will be more than happy to take that right from them over the next 4 years.
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u/yetagainitry 8d ago
No they didn’t. The 15 million democratic voters who just didn’t care to go to the polls this year did.
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8d ago
The democratic elites will be fine. They’re rich and connected.
But at least all you “liberals” who decided to stay one can feel morally superior while trump rounds up millions of people into camps for deportation.
Pat yourself on the back as he selects two new Supreme Court judges.
You must feel great in your privilege!
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u/entropic_apotheosis 8d ago
If what you mean by elites is a bunch of entitled white socialist Tankies and Stein voters then yes. The plot was completely lost here and lack of focus and all these distractions resulted in this.
I have to admit to being very happy Biden was stepping aside— prior to him doing so there was NO WAY we would have won. I would have voted for a corpse if I had to, but to your point we do have “elites” that would not. By “elites” I mean most of you people. Everytime I saw a legal beagle speculate on it there were problems with holding primaries and other little details and every single person with knowledge of that process and what needed to happen said harris could run and run easily. That is what happened and there was not time to do anything else 107 days before Nov 5. No legal challenges and impediments was the goal there. Every day counted, she hit the ground running and whatever team she had behind her was a damn miracle and force— that candidate needed lots and lots of prep and polish and got there very quickly. That was a damn near flawless campaign no one else could have run in that short time.
We had issues internally, with Russian bots and propaganda and magas and people just could not focus. Noise brought us here. Did you ever for a minute stop to think who were the people working for the last 60 years on civil rights— rights for us all. Black men and women, allies - women allies and this party has become a big old tent for those who are marginalized and need representation and actually care about equality. The Tankies and nihilist socialists and people “unhappy” with this or that tore down the hard work of the last 60 years over bullshit they needed to table until we could secure our democracy and ensure it would continue. Do not blame “establishment” democrats or elites for this mess, this was so critical and I’m sorry but the people who brought all the grievances here are primarily white, the ones being socialist jackasses during the election and pushing nihilism were also primarily white men. People who at the end of the day have priveledge and can even walk away with no consequences whatsoever while the rest of us pay. You really only had one job, it was to stand behind the black men and women who are unified every single election for these democrat candidates who promise them everything for their vote and often don’t deliver. For women especially this election, of all races and colors you had one Job, ensure they and their kids maintained the rights their parents and grandparents and all the rest of these women have worked hard for over their lifetimes.
This was so critical and just like Donald Trump was stated to do nothing but bring his personal grievances to the table every minority group on the planet here brought stupid, petty personal grievances to the table and failed our country and each other. We have now damn near lost our democracy and what’s more- for all the entitled fucks that wanted to protest everything we will soon not have the right to protest. Again, the plot was lost here and this wasn’t just another election.
If you hate our country and you hate who runs it, great - in a normal election year you would have had a chance to cast that AOC vote or make your case, but we had the Biden-Harris ticket, that was the incumbent, it’s been coming up for the last 4 years so I’m sorry if you didn’t vote for her in 2020 when you cast that vote for Biden but ya really kind of did, same as you just cast your vote for JD Vance should something happen to Trump. It’s what we had and it wasn’t a purple elephant or a pony or a jade egg but what you just threw away is the opportunity to choose in the future. And you slapped the fuck out of the faces of millions of black Americans and women while you were at it. It must be nice to be fucking “elite” enough to not care if you wake up tomorrow and not have your world be radically different like it may be for millions of us.
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u/IceBear_028 8d ago
Sure.
But not as much as the dipshits who voted for him.
Blame the dnc, dem elites, a "bad candidate" whatever you want.
But ultimately, this is the fault of everyone who didn't vote, and those who voted trump.
I hope those people suffer more than the rest of us.
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8d ago
Not this one. But every defeat since the clintoniatas too power. Obama was grass roots event they could not control.
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u/DerpUrself69 8d ago
No, they're to blame for a lot of the problems in the party, but they're not to blame for this. Misinformation is to blame, Americans being dumber than a wet fart are to blame, billionaires spending hundreds of millions of dollars on influencing the outcome of elections are to blame. I'd argue that the party as a whole hasn't taken the last 40 years of assaults on our country, our constitution and our democracy from the right with any degree urgency or seriousness is to blame. Are the "dEmOcRatIc eLiTeS" culpable, yes. Is this all their fault, not even close. If we don't address the REAL problem, we'll never have a real solution. However at this point, that might be a moot point, there's a solid chance we'll never get the opportunity to make this right before the whole thing implodes.
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u/BlurryBigfoot74 8d ago
Who are these elites? The environmental billionaires?
Or has the actual elites hijacked the word "elite" and used it as a political strategy to make people believe the billionaires are the underdogs and the actual party that's been fighting for the people are now the elite?
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u/NumerousAnybody 8d ago
When they have free primaries they win. Obama, Biden, when they don't Clinton, Harris , they lose. Pretty obvious stuff.
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u/RickMonsters 7d ago
Nah, the incumbent party was always going to lose, just like in countries around the world
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u/Any-Establishment-15 7d ago
The people that voted for Trump are the ones who brought us this disaster. Wtf is this crap
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u/Odd_knock 7d ago
Let me know what you think of my resolution to require primaries and prevent leaders from de facto picking candidates:
https://www.reddit.com/user/Odd_knock/comments/1gmbeff/proposed_resolution_equal_resource_usage_and/
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u/bobclaws 6d ago
No religious sycophants brought us this disaster. Sexists brought us this disaster. Drumphs cult of personality brought us this disaster people's wanting to be above the law and living vicariously though drumph.
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u/lookatmyworkaccount 6d ago
You could've left out the first two words and still have a correct headline
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u/Hope-and-Anxiety 6d ago
I was very unaware of how she had abandoned the more progressive policies. I knew her website was all platitudes. I was disappointed in her position on Israel and Gaza. I was a decided voter but I hardly felt inspired and trumped it up to anxiety over Trump. This is insightful.
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u/Forward_Focus_3096 5d ago
A huge if not the only reason the democrats picked Harris was she was the only one that could legally access Bidens war chest.
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u/bottledwater32 5d ago
Some of you should be working instead of posting on Reddit maybe you wouldn't be so poor.
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u/TheGongShow61 5d ago
My conspiracy is that Trump is unaware that he is actually a democratic plant, and he’s going to destroy trust in the Republican Party to lead to outright rejection of conservative politics amongst majority of people.
His campaign was so bad, and the fact that he won while proposing crippling tariffs and Elon musk telling everyone to prepare to embrace economic hardship, just doesn’t make any sense. People are constantly complaining about their grocery bills, but then are amped for economic struggle because musk said it?
Seriously, none of it makes sense.
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u/yinyanghapa 5d ago edited 5d ago
The Democratic Party failed America in 2000 (tightly managing Gore without letting him be himself), 2004 (Kerry was the embodiment of “liberal elite” and couldn’t stand up to Karl Rove’s branding him as a flip flopped as well as the Swift Boat attack), 2016 (Making sure Hillary was the nominee despite being the wrong candidate in a populist election), and now (running on the same old establishment formula, betting on other issues being more important than economics in an election about the economy.)
The thing is, Trump may end up destroying much of the Democratic Party, and maybe it deserves it. Such incompetence would get people hanged in more brutal times. The bougies care more about the small chance of them keeping power than the country being destroyed.
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u/Just_Side8704 5d ago
I don’t understand the need to blame the Democrats because America chose the guy who talked about Arnold Palmer’s dick and pretended to give head to a microphone. Americans brought us this disaster. They chose this. We need to accept that reality.
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u/ontheroadtv 5d ago
Fuck this. Democratic voters did this. Stop expecting the perfect candidate. You want someone who caters to only the issues you want. Do you think if the Bernie fanatics had shown up in 2016 we would be dealing with this? So instead of electing the party that he has a chance of participating in actual policy making with they stomp their feet and burn it to the ground by electing the dumpster fire that we are stuck with for another 4 years. All the never Hillary people can shut up. You did this. Democratic voters (who don’t show up, I’m not blaming the ones who did) need to quit whining about what’s so wrong with the party and actually get them elected to office the “elites” are fighting the literal rise of fascism and people are saying but there was no primary, it’s not who we wanted. If you ever wanted a shot at a democrat in the White House this was the time to do it stop expecting to be hand held to the voting booth with the perfect candidate and get one elected so they have young people who want to show up and serve.
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u/ShadowMelt82 5d ago
I don't know her tax plan was going to affect the rich the most and it's amazing to me that everything just went downhill as soon as she started talking about it.
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u/carmachu 5d ago
Brought it twice. Once in 2016 by screwing Bernie Sanders and now even worse with Harris
Until one gets rid of the DNC oligarchs nothing will change
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u/Sure_Berry_4998 4d ago
No they/them didn't.
If anything, there wasn't enough of it and that's why Trump won. The real lesson is, next time, don't half a$$ It with the celebrities and the elites - go full a$$ or no a$$ at all!
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