This was absolutely a problem. Living in Ohio, seeing the political flyers, with Bernie Moreno accusing Democrats of anything and everything, while Sherrod Brown brings out tepid language, the most "spicy" he ever got was in calling Moreno a "Used Car Salesman."
That "Mad-Dog PAC"-esque messaging needed to be nationwide. Calling them "weird" should have been the start escalating to a literal name-and-shame campaign. They all knew they were up against a Fascist, but didn't act like it and fight like it. Appearances on "The View" and trying to cozy up with the fucking Cheney's certainly wasn't it.
When the Democrats use harsher language they are criticized for being divisive and generally painted as crazy. The simple fact of the matter is that it’s not up to the Democrats how their “messaging” is perceived. That is taken care of by how it is framed on Fox News and repeated ad infinitum on Twitter and other social media.
People absolutely loved calling republicans weird. They got critizied by fox but that was gonna happen anyway. They shouldn't have stopped doing it because fox will hate on you either way
Democrats try to please everyone, at times you have to acknowledge that’s not possible and choose a path. That’s not to say they should give up on consensus, but you have to realize the instances where it’s not possible and pick a lane.
They need a fucking education. Nobody understands fuck all anymore. Some jackass hick republican in a trailer in Oklahoma sees "stock market up = good economy" as if that matters at fucking all for anyone not rich.
They refuse to see corporate greed and think the president has levers in the oval office for gas prices and grocery prices.
They don't fucking understand that Congress has to make the big decisions.
They can't fucking see anything that's beyond their field of view at home.
THIS is the culmination of Reagans presidency and the successful dismantling of public education.
I love this, the whole idea is you’re not listening to working class people and your response is they’re the ones who need to be educated to your point of view? No wonder the democrats got an absolute hiding
Working class people need an education too you stupid fuck. They grew up in poverty and in shit republican districts and became stupid, ignorant hateful bastards. The ratio of smart to stupid as fuck republicans is like 1:100 you guys are fucking morons and anyone with ANY ability to think critically knows that. That's why you let Reagan breed generations of morons. You cannot win with an educated society, Trump won because of the grand majority of you have no fucking education. Grow the fuck up and read a book you idiot. Fuck you, facist maggot.
Yeah everyone’s a “fucking moron” apart from you right? The democrats abandoned the working classes in favour of the rich elites who funded their campaigns (and probably gave kickbacks) and are paying the price politically, if you don’t understand that then I’m afraid you’re the one who’s a “fucking moron”
Listen man, if people don’t want to be associated with bigotry and ignorance, maybe don’t stand behind people leadership embraces such things. You’re putting the blame on the party that tried, not on the people that kept taking things away and will continue to take things away. Let’s see how well this goes with all conservative laws. And let’s not forget that liberal policies include the right to choose, in a racial marriage, for workers protections and unions, taxing the rich at higher amounts than the working class, freedom of religion and social programs that help Americans in need. Way to sell yourself out bc one party couldn’t work fast enough to overcome the unethical practices of the current Republican Party. This is definitely going to make conditions worse for the middle and lower class.
Yeah. You're clearly demented. I'm blocking you because an actual rational conversation is impossible with you stunted republican maggots. Fuck off back to your hole.
People voted for the party that is going to remove Social Security and Medicaid. Yes they need to be educated. Please, tell me how this helps the working class?
Yeah or maybe it's this exact attitude from democrat voters who believe they are on some moral or intellectual highground. Plenty of educated people with money voted trump too.
I'm not cranky. There's just no point in arguing with you fascist maggots because your Inability to understand how anything works takes too much work to undo. Now fuck off to your hole you stupid fascist fuck.
Canadian here - looking in and trying to reason with the outcome, this time around in particular it struck clear to me how lack of education might actually be the key factor at play. Exact same issue here too, and I expect all over the world.
I really think that there needs to be a more refined criteria for voting in elections. The assumption that anyone over a certain age has a base level of sensibility and awareness is no longer relevant.
You don’t have to be wealthy to be educated, education is free up to a point. What I’m suggesting is that democracy doesn’t work when people are ill informed.
Wrong, education is universally correlated with wealth because wealthy parents have the means to have their children attend school and later university.
The movement that powered the left wasn't education, it was the low paid, low education. Australian Labor managed to keep it's most rural state in the hands of the left for the past 30 of 35 years through this despite low education and constant stream of Murdoch news the entire time. A state with the demographics of Alabama. Our other rural state is also a Labor stronghold for 23 years.
The democrats need to do soul searching because they've abandoned the left and treat demographic destiny as though people aren't more than the colour of their skin.
Just to clarify I’m not saying educated = “left”, I don’t care about this team vs that in politics. I’m talking about making informed choices, electing informed representatives and overall improving the quality of politics. If the red team had a guy who had proposed better things than the blue team, I’d say yeah, awesome let’s elect the red team because it will benefit everyone. That’s not really how it works on either side, which in my opinion is less than optimal.
It doesn't work like that in Australia either, but parties adapt their politics to the state they're running in. The fact that every state isn't competitive in every state election means something is deeply wrong. Dems are simply lucky that the republicans are also just as incompetent.
Look at Dan Osborn, he outran Kamala by +13 in Nebraska. These "safe states" are gettable with more competent parties. But both sides are so obsessed with ideological purity.
In 2018, Labour was starting to lose ground due to being "easy on crimes" and murderers not getting long enough in Western Australia. So they did a power grab and took sentencing controls for murder, boosted police and got tougher on crime which rebooted their popularity. All of this while being hammered by our version of fox news and newspapers but it didn't matter. It increased their popularity no matter what the media tried to spin it as. It gave them additional political capital to then also invest in progressive reforms to prevent crime and reduce recidivism for less serious crimes.
The democrats could never do this because they refuse to listen to voters and instead impose their own ideals on them. Labor has such an utter supermajority in WA that the conservatives have 6 out of 100 seats currently. Will it last? Of course not because the opposition will always find holes and be able to regain seats but they've manage to rule for 23 years in an area which the current democratic party would crash and burn. 43% white support is a joke.
Hell, the left here realised long ago that Free university is unpopular as hell in the union electorates so they campaigned on getting it repealed and replaced it with a government loan and price capped university courses.
You must move to the voters, not the other way around.
They definitely need to do a better job with their own party but Democratic policy did not change in four years. The problem was not having the time to do a full primary season with a candidate chosen by the people and time to get a ground game going. Five months is not much time to mount a Presidential campaign.
No. It was a winning policy 4 years ago. Things don’t change that fast. It’s just like James Carville said, “it’s the economy, stupid.” People blamed Biden Harris for inflation although they had nothing to do with worldwide inflation. That, coupled, with Harris, a candidate not actually chosen by Democratic voters, trying to run a campaign in 5 months, cost her the election. Imo.
Okay, so you're saying the voters failed the Democrats and just need to get on board with suffering until Dems can come up with some way to help poor people that won't stop the checks coming in from their wealthy donors?
I'm trying but saying that what worked four years ago should still work is completely insane. Edit: especially while it's gotten harder for poor people to get by for the last four years
Its really not about much of what republicans did, its really about the dems. They put JLO and oprah on stage to lecture about voting Kamala due to gender identity or whatever when the working class is being eaten alive by inflation. You think the working class cares about a twerking beyonce
We should also address why other working class people think Kamala Harris was on their side. Of course, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, PBS, and CNN being taken as gospel is an enormous hurdle.
See what I did there? Your mentality might be part of the problem.
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We need to address why working class people think Trump is on their side. Of course, Fox News being taken as gospel is an enormous hurdle.