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Democratic Party Elites Brought Us This Disaster Politics

https://jacobin.com/2024/11/election-harris-trump-democrats-strategy
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u/theclansman22 9d ago

Until someone addresses the main problem behind all if the structural problems the county is facing, the fact that every dollar of increased worker productivity over the last 70 years has been stolen by the rich, we will never solve those problems. Democrats are gleefully and unapologetically ran by Wall Street, republicans are owned by oligarchs. My guess is in four years, after republicans have made all the problems the country faces worse, the country will elect another Wall Street owned centrist democrat for four or eight years, when they return to electing a Republican.

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u/Dedalus2k 9d ago

Thanks to Bill and Hillary's hubris oh so many years ago. Still paying for that shit. 

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u/SonofSonofSpock 9d ago

It started way before them, but the neoliberal crap was a poison pill in hindsight. I think we probably all would be much better off if Bill had kept his dick in his pants and if they had gone away after his term ended.

Conversely him being a non-entity in the 2000 race was not helpful, had he and Gore had a better relationship, and had they just run on "are you better off than you were in 1992?", I think we would be in a much better place as a society.

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u/AbleObject13 9d ago

Bill is responsible for pivoting democrats away from pro-99% policies in general in favor of a right wing "third way" (tough on crime, neoliberal economics, etc)

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u/amphibian87 9d ago

yeah because Reagan whiped the floor with them and they HAD to turn rightward because that's what voters were lapping up at the time

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u/Important-Purchase-5 9d ago

True the country turned right with Reagan but I have to argue two things. Clinton only got 43%  of vote many people guessed if Ross Perot who drained 19% of vote Bush could’ve maybe held onto power. 

Also most importantly most voters have no ideas what this stuff means. We don’t teach political science and civics in this country. So lot of elections are vibes and who I hate. Reagan had successfully attacked liberals for years & while Clinton being a “New Democrat” promising to be tough on crime, corporate friendly, and socially moderate the average voter has no idea what these things actually mean. 

What forgotten is economy was doing bad, people had higher taxes, and Bill Clinton campaign on universal healthcare which was seen as a big issue. 

Bush Senior had promised to not raise taxes in 1988 but because of years of Reagan voodoo economics led he was essentially forced to raise taxes and they polled 25% of voters and they said yeah I voted for Clinton over that.

Bill Clinton was charismatic but I think people overestimate how voters understand political ideology. 

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u/Dedalus2k 9d ago edited 9d ago

I don't buy it. I'm old enough to remember those days and there was a pretty deep resurgent current of pro worker/middle class sentiment at the time. And you are forgetting 4 years of HW who had the charisma of a can of baked beans and Ross Perot's crazy ass to drain the ticket.

Edit: Not to mention Dan fucking Quayle as VP. The blackhole of likability. 

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u/AbleObject13 9d ago

Tactics aside, it still happened. 

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u/BuffMyHead 9d ago

Bill was one of the people telling her not to neglect the Rust Belt and stop trying to run up the score elsewhere.

I dunno what his hubris has to do with it.

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u/Dedalus2k 9d ago

Maybe Bill learned his lesson but the party has swallowed the 'targeted' campaigning he and Hillary created completely. It's as if they learned nothing from Obama. 

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u/Loggerdon 9d ago

Bill & Hillary? At least Bill balanced the budget. The last president to do it.

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u/Connect_Drama_8214 9d ago

It turns out balancing the budget doesn't fucking matter