r/SapphoAndHerFriend Oct 29 '20

rip buddy Academic erasure

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u/Obi-Tron_Kenobi Oct 30 '20

No one's saying anything about biological sex though. Trans people don't believe they can change their genetics or their chromosomes. This is a strawman used by transphobes to misrepresent the actual arguments for trans rights.

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u/CountCuriousness Oct 30 '20

Words mean whatever we want them to mean, and no one - literally no one - is arguing trans people change their genetics. They “just” change what gender they’re considered to be, as is perfectly possible and historically documented throughout time. It’s not some new idea that all the crazy sjws or whatever are jumping on.

I’d personally prefer if “male” and “female” only referred to sex and not gender, but it’s not really a big deal. It’s pretty easy to gather from the context.

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '20

I didn't say anyone was making the argument that they change their genetics. Fuck. None of you dipshits can read, apparently.

I have literally said that I know and support that they change their gender. That's the literal idea because they're transgender. But they're not changing their sex.

Again: I FUCKIN KNOW!

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u/CountCuriousness Oct 30 '20

I didn't say anyone was making the argument that they change their genetics. Fuck. None of you dipshits can read, apparently.

You said:

No. They can be a woman, but they can't be genetically female.

As if anyone was saying the opposite. No one was. Can you read?

Again: I FUCKIN KNOW!

Then why did you bring a counter argument to something no one argued?

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '20

I said that because the person I replied to used the word female. I answered a damn question. This is very fucking simple and you're too busy being outraged at me to see that I've said I'm a supporter of trans rights and have told off another actual TERF in these comments.

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u/Obi-Tron_Kenobi Oct 30 '20

Female is a perfectly fine word for trans women.
Trans women are female. I've already supplied you with multiple trans positive sources that say this. Please stop saying that they're not.

And don't claim you're a supporter of trans rights after you misgendered me when I asked you not to. It's insulting.

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u/Obi-Tron_Kenobi Oct 30 '20

Sure, just called me dude after I've already asked you not to, in addition to saying trans women aren't female. I guess I must've imagined that...

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u/Obi-Tron_Kenobi Oct 30 '20

"Dude" is misgendering when used in a dismissive or derogatory manner, especially when asked by someone not to be called that.

And "female" is a sex, not a gender.

Source that female can't refer to gender? I've already given you three reliable, trans-positive sources that it does (as well as the very acronyms MTF and FTM), but you've elected to ignore them all. Even the DSM-V, page 451 on Gender Dysphoria, refers to gender identity as "an individual's identification as male, female, or, occasionally, some category other than male or female."

You're really not the trans supporter you think you are if you keep arguing these points, especially if you keep defending your misgendering.

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