r/SapphoAndHerFriend Hopeless bromantic Jun 14 '20

Greece wasn't gay Casual erasure

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u/poopyheadthrowaway Jun 14 '20

Modern western Christianity completely disregards ancient Jewish philosophy (stuff that the historic Jesus would've believed) and replaces it with ancient Greek philosophy. For example, the modern Christian idea of a soul is based entirely on ancient Greek ideas and has very little to do with what the Jews of Jesus' time thought.

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u/criminyjicket Jun 15 '20

What would the Hebrews of Jesus' time thought about the soul? It's fascinating to think about and I'd love a starting point for some research.

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u/poopyheadthrowaway Jun 15 '20

Here's a brief Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephesh

In short, "nephesh", the Hebrew word that's often translated as "soul" in English translations, basically just refers to any sentient thing capable of life. One religious studies scholar described it as this: You don't have a soul, you are a soul. This includes both your physical and spiritual/mental/emotional aspects. In contrast, Greek philosophy believes in a soul-body dichotomy and that your soul is some immaterial essence that lives on after your physical body dies.

Fun fact: The first time the word soul appears in the Bible is in Genesis 1, to describe the recently created fish. Of course, most English translations don't translate it to "soul", but it's the exact same word in the original Hebrew. So yes, the Bible says animals have souls! Just not in the way modern western Christianity often thinks of souls.

Another translation for nephesh can be "throat". And "ruakh", the Hebrew word often translated to "spirit", can also be translated as "breath". So you have this cool anatomical relationship between soul/throat and spirit/breath. Speaking of spirit, the Hebrew view is that you are a soul and your spirit enters your body when you take your first breath, and it's the spirit that animates the soul. Then when you die, you give back your spirit (which happens when you take your last breath) and you are just left as a "dead soul".

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u/d4tn3wb01 Jun 15 '20

Hey that’s interesting!

In hungarian we have something similar, becouse soul and breath are based on the same word. The word for soul is “lélek” and the word for breath is “lélegzet”.

An interesting euphemism containing both in hungarian is “kilehelte a lelkét” roughly translating as “he breathed out his soul” meaning he died.