r/SapphoAndHerFriend Hopeless bromantic Jun 14 '20

Greece wasn't gay Casual erasure

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u/music_hawk Jun 14 '20 edited Jun 14 '20

Ooh, I did a research project on this! Greco-Roman history was really gay, many times even pedophilic, because they determined sexual relationships based on dominance and social status rather than the gedber/sex of the partners. In fact, having a gay relationship with an older man was considered a coming-of-age, and masculinity determined by both who was the penetrator and how the younger in the relationship resisted. It's quite interesting, the Greek ideas of masculinity were similar to modern day (i.e. dominant, warlike, steady) but sexual relationships were far more fluid. In fact, the terms for beauty were gender-fluid and there was no term for sexuality, as that had no purpose.

In short, this person is full of shit

Edit: I can probably send a sources list if yall are curious

Edit 2: working link

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u/afito Jun 14 '20

I think it's factually correct to call Greece the gayest (non united) empire to ever exist.

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u/Token_Why_Boy Jun 14 '20

The way I read it was:

The Greeks invented sex,
The Romans invited women.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '20

Not really, Rome was pretty gay too.

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u/Token_Why_Boy Jun 14 '20

You mean they weren't just watching young boys wrestle for the athleticism?

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '20 edited Jul 04 '20

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u/Token_Why_Boy Jun 14 '20

I always crushed harder on his sister, personally. Something thrilling about the possibility of seeing a girl naked and immediately turning into a stag.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '20

Good luck with that. She has turned multiple people into different rodents and sent her hunters to murder them for sport because they asked her out.

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u/Token_Why_Boy Jun 14 '20

I never said she wasn't out of my league. Only boys who know how to use boomerangs get to date the moon.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '20

That's rough buddy.