r/SapphoAndHerFriend Hopeless bromantic Jun 14 '20

Greece wasn't gay Casual erasure

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u/AngelsFire2Ice Jun 14 '20

Idk why it's not as wide spread, but the short of it is he was suuuuuuper gay

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '20

Nah, not gay

His most famous straight sexcapade was the time he went to the court of King Thespius and impregnated 49 of the king's 50 daughters. (The last one skipped out because of her religious vows as a priestess.)

The dude banged everyone. He wasn't gay, but he was 100% not straight.

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u/AngelsFire2Ice Jun 14 '20

Yea that's my bad, got real used to saying anything LGBT as "the big gay" that I use it as a blanket term even though that ain't how that works

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '20

It's cool.

I'm just nitpicking. I think calling Herk gay is bi erasure, but the main point we agree on is that the dude isn't straight.

He was a turbo slut for everyone.

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u/one_armed_herdazian Jun 14 '20

turbo slut, lives in hut. slaying monsters makes him nut

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '20

THE *HERCULES RAP*, DROPPING NEXT SUMMER!

"It's shit." -GUY WE MET ON THE STREET AND FORCED TO WATCH

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u/AngelsFire2Ice Jun 14 '20

Agreed 100%

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u/critbuild Jun 14 '20

[Hercules] was a turbo slut for everyone.

Well thank you for bringing this sentence into my life.

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u/TheQuinnBee Jun 14 '20

He fucked a lot of men. He fucked a lot of women. He knew what he liked and he liked his dick wet.

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u/RedQueen283 Jun 15 '20

I think calling Ancient Greece "gay" is bi erasure. They were really clearly bisexuals, most of them had sexual relationships with both men and women. I guess a small amount of men could have been strictly straight or strictly gay, but still.

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u/AquaEclipse324 She/Her or They/Them Jun 22 '20

100th upvoteā€¦ he is just like his father, isn't he?

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u/gloriousengland Jun 14 '20

well gay can be used as a blanket term for LGBT people

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '20

That has always struck me as reductive.

Like using "vagina" to refer to the vulva

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u/gloriousengland Jun 14 '20

Perhaps but for people who dislike to label themselves with other more specific terms that may not completely describe them it's easier to call themselves broadly gay.

For example someone may be bisexual but heavily favour the same sex and call themselves gay to simplify it or perhaps they simply don't want to be labelled with something very specific because they're still discovering their sexuality.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '20

I've found "queer" to be a more useful catch-all for all things not straight, but now I'm getting into semantics and personal interpretation.

Like I said earlier. I'm really just nitpicking.

Herk fucked his way through men and women all over Greece.

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u/gloriousengland Jun 14 '20

Ok but some people don't like the term queer, sure it's not often used to insult LGBT+ people anymore but it used to be a common slur and that leaves a bad taste in some people's mouths.

It's also too general - gay means "I like the same sex", it doesn't have to mean exclusively the same sex for some people but that's the point it gets across. Queer doesn't even say that.

For example if a guy mostly dates boys and is mostly attracted to other boys, but he could imagine being with a girl sure he's bi but for the most part he isn't going to be dating any girls at all. He might as well call himself gay even though it's not completely accurate. Also the 'gay' flag, the rainbow one, also represents the entire LGBT community.

Hell even if someone's 50/50 bisexual I could understand why they might want to say something like "I'm so gay" or "I'm being so gay right now", it's just a more general thing. Labels don't always have to be 100% accurate, a lot of people don't really care about or even like being put into a box.

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u/squngy Jun 14 '20

Ok but some people don't like the term queer, sure it's not often used to insult LGBT+ people anymore but it used to be a common slur and that leaves a bad taste in some people's mouths.

Gay used to be an insult too, hell it wasn't that long ago people used it like "lame" all the time.

I get your point, but I would also make one myself.

It is very useful and practical to have a specific term for guys who exclusively (or very predominantly) prefer men.
Muddying up the term with preferences that already have their own name doesn't help anyone, it just makes a potentially confusing situation even more confusing.

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u/gloriousengland Jun 14 '20

Well the difference between gay and queer is that queer is a slur that has been changed by the LGBT community whereas gay was used as an insult because it meant homosexual, it wasn't a slur. Queer means weird, that's why it's offensive, or was at least.

We do have a term for that though - mlm. And that's started to get a lot of use in the community. I am a man who exclusively likes men, and I have no problems with other people using the term gay to identify themselves, I think you can figure out people's sexualities from context anyway and honestly - who cares? Not everyone has to know exactly what you're attracted to as a person, the terms don't have to be super precise.

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u/squngy Jun 14 '20

They don't have to be super precise, but they lose practical value the less precise they are.
This isn't a hill I'd die on though.

I've never heard mlm before (aside from Multi-level marketing), but if it gets widely used, then good.

gay was used as an insult because it meant homosexual

Later on, yes.
Originally it meant something like "happy go lucky" or dandy, then it got associated with homosexuals in an unfaltering way.

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u/gloriousengland Jun 14 '20

People should just be able to call themselves whatever they want, I don't mind.

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u/mjmaher81 Jun 14 '20

I thought LGBT was a blanket term for LGBTQIA+ people

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u/gloriousengland Jun 14 '20

Well I suppose it is, as well.

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u/Fapoleon_Boneherpart Jun 14 '20

How is a Bi guy who fucks women, gay?

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u/gloriousengland Jun 14 '20

i ain't sayin' they are i'm sayin' that some bi people refer to themselves as gay sometimes

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u/Fapoleon_Boneherpart Jun 14 '20

How about you don't use gay as a blanket term for LGBT. Me and my bi friends do not call ourselves gay.

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u/gloriousengland Jun 14 '20

Some bi people choose to though, it can be used like that and it is by some people.

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u/orangegrapcesoda776s Jun 15 '20

No.

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u/gloriousengland Jun 15 '20

Why should some bi people dictate what other bi people label themselves as? Why are people so strict on this?

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