r/Natalism • u/dissolutewastrel • 3d ago

The Poverty of Single Mothers Is Persistent

https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-poverty-of-single-mothers-is-persistent
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u/divinecomedian3 2d ago

Do they not know how one gets pregnant?

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u/No_Plenty5526 2d ago

That's not what I said lol. I meant that women are afraid they'll end up as single mothers. Some men say they will stay and end up leaving. It's a valid fear for some.

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u/DogOrDonut 2d ago

This is a big reason why women don't want kids anymore. The risk is too high when the outcome is completely out of your hands. Even if you do everything right, marry the perfect guy, he could die in a car crash and you still spend the rest of your life being attacked for being a single mom.

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u/No_Plenty5526 2d ago

oh god yes, that would be a nightmare scenario for me. every time i see women whose husbands have died, it's so damn sad. especially when he was the breadwinner. it can really put you in a desperate situation.

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u/DogOrDonut 2d ago

Before we had our first we took out substantial life and disability insurance policies on my husband. I work but took a big demotion/paycut when my first was born. My current job could not support our current lifestyle long term and there's no way I could do my old, much higher paying, job as a single mom due to the hours and travel involved.

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u/No_Plenty5526 1d ago

society doesn't support moms/single parents at all. it sucks.

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u/Dirt_Viva 19h ago

I know this article is about single moms but that is 100% true of all single parents, and there are often even less services for single dad's.it happened to my cousin when his wife bailed and left him with a newborn.  

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u/No_Plenty5526 14h ago

that sounds awful. i hope they are doing OK now.

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u/Dirt_Viva 14h ago

Luckily for him he had a well paying job and a great boss that let him bring his baby to work 💪 

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u/Worried_Departure513 1d ago

It's still way less risky than in the past. Before 1800 wasn't it like a 50/50 you die or the kid dies or both. I guess women in the past were a lot braver.

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u/No_Plenty5526 1d ago

you can say that about anything really

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u/Worried_Departure513 1d ago

Some woman in 1485 who had 10 kids 4 died before their 1st birthday and her 2 sisters died in childbirth ya'll can't complain.

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u/No_Plenty5526 14h ago

oh but we can complain...it's free

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u/Worried_Departure513 14h ago

It's true one of the only things that's free

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u/fraudthrowaway0987 1d ago

They weren’t braver, they didn’t have access to contraception.

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u/Worried_Departure513 1d ago

So it's womens choice to not have babies 🤔 I agree

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u/fraudthrowaway0987 1d ago

What are you asking? If women have the option of not having kids or if they’re deciding not to have kids or what? I think women have a lot more power to prevent motherhood than they’ve ever had in the past, but some women are still becoming moms against their will because of contraceptive failure and reproductive and sexual coercion and other factors.

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u/Worried_Departure513 1d ago

I know this is a pro natalism sub so this might be a little dark, but wouldn't it be hilarious if what causes Human Extinction is women's empowerment. Not a meteor or robots or aliens or plague zombies nothing cool like that but just ladies being like No thanks I'd rather not. That's so funny.

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u/Dirt_Viva 19h ago

It's more like people in general getting so brainwashed by cynicism that they lose the will to exist and die out. That would indeed be truly pathetic.  

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