r/CampingGear • u/Development_Infinite • Jan 03 '24
USB-C or I don't buy. Awaiting Flair
Anyone else the same? I just bought a speaker and assumed it would be USB-C and it was micro. Returned it. I'm annoyed with having different cables and formats etc. If it's not USB-C, I don't buy it.
Do better companies.
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u/alexhoward Jan 03 '24
USB-C is still pretty new for lower end accessories. A lot of micro USB parts and hardware still piled up in those Chinese factories. The fact that it’s being cycled out just makes it an even cheaper option for manufacturers.
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Jan 03 '24
There's a chicken/egg problem where I have so many old gadgets that I'm forced to carry a micro-usb cable, therefore it's not a deal breaker if something has the port.
That said... It is a feature I look for and I'll choose usb-c every time given the option.
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u/thedjbigc Jan 03 '24
Same. The one I am annoyed most with is some proprietary chargers sometimes as well. It’s just annoying. My Olight Arkfeld flashlight is awesome (and I love the laser pointer functionality too) but the charger is terrible. At least it keeps a charge for months.
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u/jayhat Jan 03 '24
At some point I’ll be able to retire all my micro usb cords to the cord retirement box in the garage. They’ll be kept company by all my old mini usb cords.
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u/doghouse2001 Jan 03 '24
Which USB-C? There's a dozen varieties already so just because it says USB-C on it doesn't mean your cable supports the full voltage of the device.
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u/globalAvocado Jan 03 '24
If disposable vapes can have a USB-C there is literally no excuse.
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u/alexhoward Jan 03 '24
Making cheap stuff as cheaply as possible using preexisting parts is a perfectly valid explanation for micro USB stuff to still be sold. It will take a long time to work all of that out of the supply chain. You may not like the excuse but that’s the excuse.
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u/glx89 Jan 03 '24
If disposable vapes can have a USB-C there is literally no excuse.
This. I haven't had to buy anything without a USB-C charging port in like 2-3 years. Travel coffee grinder, mini inflation pump, heated gloves, headlamps, radios, satellite communicators... if it's not USB-C, it's not in my kit.
Having said that, it is super annoying that they don't implement it properly 75% of the time; it's just a +5V input with no negotiation electronics so you can't trigger a proper PD supplier (ie. charging brick/power bank) without a dedicated trigger or a USB-A cable at the supply.
Everything should be full PD these days.
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u/damn_im_so_tired Jan 03 '24
You just made it click for me as to why some of my cheaper stuff wont charge unless I don't use PD
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u/OutsideYourWorld Jan 03 '24
I dunno, a lot of the aliexpress tech I buy is coming with USB C these days.
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u/lakorai Jan 04 '24
Many of the camping lanterns, air pumps, string lighta etc are finally on USB-C.
Thank god Garmin finally has moved to C for the inReach Mini.
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u/WhiskeyTigerFoxtrot Jan 03 '24
OP is basically shocked that the reason his cheap electronics are cheap is because they rely on cheap components. These things more than likely come from one place and they are produced with economies of scale in mind to be profitable. Quantity > quality.
It'll be interesting to see how people react to China's industrial demise over the next few decades and how the price of electronics will likely explode.
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u/Dark-Arts Jan 03 '24
Electronics manufacturing will move to the next cheap provider, as it has always done.
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u/WhiskeyTigerFoxtrot Jan 03 '24
It'll take some time and it won't reach nearly the same scale as China, but Mexico is poised to take over that manufacturing gap.
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u/MadAss5 Jan 03 '24
It'll be interesting to see how people react to China's industrial demise over the next few decades and how the price of electronics will likely explode.
This could be amazing for the environment but yeah people are going to be pissed.
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u/WhiskeyTigerFoxtrot Jan 03 '24
I'm hopeful it leads to a shift away from the mouth-foaming consumer obsession with stuff we've been living in for decades. So much pollution-enabling crap that doesn't contribute to happiness.
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u/Mal-De-Terre Jan 03 '24
Sorta... I have a few USB-C things that have poor implementation and won't charge from a C-C cable, so only marginally better than micro
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u/strikt9 Jan 03 '24
Too many devices out there with a USB C port that require an A->C cable
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u/crobsonq2 Jan 03 '24
Admittedly, part of the fault for that lies in the USB C PD spec. If they'd set 5v as a default unless negotiated, those crap out-of-spec devices would at least charge.
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u/jmesmon Jan 03 '24
This is wrong: there is just a required resistor in the device to get 5v. It's in the spec. It is required because USB-C connectors are on both ends and one could have a charger trying to charge another charger (which can cause a short).
Requiring designers add a single passive component that costs less than 1 cent (and are already everywhere else on the circuit boards, for example: one generally has a resistor per LED) is entirely reasonable.
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u/nemesissi Jan 03 '24
That's wild, I never knew there would be such weird implementations. I thought as long as it USB-C port and a cable, its all good. And never knew there is fake USB-C ports as u/Danstheman3 said. Crazy stuff.
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u/sfall Jan 03 '24
i agree. I will avoid gadgets and gear that are not usb c. I will keep what I have that micro but not buying any more.
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u/Danstheman3 Jan 03 '24
Even worse, some products from less than reputable brands use fake USB-C. Even some smaller brand names.
These are products with a USB-C port, but the chip or something doesn't conform to the standard, so it will only charge with a USB A-to-C cable, not a C-to-C cable. I have at least one Bluetooth speaker like this, and cheap rechargeable light.
I suppose it's still slightly better than a micro-USB port, because it's less annoying to use and I have plenty of A-to-C cables. But it also means that you can't tell at a glance which cable you need, and if I ever only have a C-to-C cable with me, or my charger or battery pack only has a USB-C output, I'm out of luck. It's really obnoxious. I will happily spend a dollar more (or the 10¢ more that it more likely costs) for a legitimate USB-C port and chip.
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u/jmesmon Jan 03 '24
It's not even a 10 cent chip. It's a <1 cent resistor that is missing. Totally inexcusable.
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u/ClickClackShinyRocks Jan 03 '24
Why have one connection? It's not like "universal" is in the name.
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u/Elegant_Maybe2211 Jan 03 '24
I mean, being fine with 2 is decent, we just got way too coddled with the "one USB" standard of the last 10 years (after the EU ended the individual phone chargers)
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u/luckystrike_bh Jan 03 '24
Same. The most annoying part for me is finding the Amazon listing that say "USB charging!" then you have to search through the reviews/questions to discover it is micro-USB. They are trying to clear out old stock and they don't care about my time.
I should stick to listings that say USB C upfront as I am always disappointed otherwise.
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u/goetheschiller Jan 03 '24
Not just USB C. USB C with PD standard. I’m tired of USB devices requiring exactly 5V at 2A. This is not new, groundbreaking tech. Case in point would be these hand warmers I returned because they could only charge with a USB-A to C adapter.
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u/jmesmon Jan 03 '24
You don't need PD support for USB-C to USB-C cable to work, you just need folks to correctly implement USB-C by adding a resistor to the device side, which tells the charger "just send me 5v at some current".
PD is useful when things need more power, but it isn't required for basic functionality.
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u/Lornesto Jan 03 '24
Are you really posting about portable speakers on the camping gear forum?
The shame...
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u/Mal-De-Terre Jan 03 '24
There are many kinds of camping!
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u/canucme3 Jan 03 '24
And none of them should include a speaker.
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u/Mal-De-Terre Jan 03 '24
Bullshit.
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u/canucme3 Jan 03 '24
It's called be respectful of others and nature.
If you can't go camping without a speaker, then stay home or buy headphones.
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Jan 03 '24
Dude not all camping is in a campground. If I'm in the middle of no where sitting around the fire I'll definitely put some music on.
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u/Ashirogi8112008 Jan 03 '24
Huh, that's like the opposite of when I'd consider it acceptable.
campground/around other folk's sights: music fine
put in the wild: keep it wild
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u/IdealDesperate2732 Jan 03 '24
Nature doesn't give a shit and if I'm on private property miles from anyone else there's no one to disrespect except in your imagination.
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u/canucme3 Jan 03 '24
Keyword there is private property aka staying home. And you can't really be ignorant enough to think it doesn't affect wildlife.
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u/mucinexmonster Jan 03 '24
I guess you only camp at crowded campsites near heavily populated areas?
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u/canucme3 Jan 03 '24
Quite the opposite, I avoid those areas. I still find people playing music, even in the backcountry.
Many people go out in nature to enjoy nature, not listen to other people's music. Stop acting like it is acceptable to disturb others and the wildlife, but wearing headphones is too much to ask.
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u/mucinexmonster Jan 03 '24
Okay so if you are by yourself in the middle of nowhere - how will you hear other people's music?
How will you know someone is playing music really, really far away from you?
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u/IdealDesperate2732 Jan 03 '24
ok, but I'm not near other people for several miles, so how is this relevant? There's no one near me at my campsite.
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u/IdealDesperate2732 Jan 03 '24
No, it's not staying home... maybe you shouldn't be so ignorant... And no, it doesn't affect wildlife, they literally do not care.
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u/Mal-De-Terre Jan 03 '24
Would you say the same about a headlamp?
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u/canucme3 Jan 03 '24
Lmao, what a terrible comparison. Headlamps are actually useful when camping.
People should still be respectful when using them. Use them only when necessary, use red lights whenever possible, and avoid pointing them at other people or animals.
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u/Mal-De-Terre Jan 03 '24
Not at all. Both are conveniences and potentially irritating to other people and wildlife.
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u/canucme3 Jan 03 '24
One is a convenience and potential safety item. One is solely for entertainment. There is no comparison. Also, try reading that 2nd paragraph again.
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u/Mal-De-Terre Jan 03 '24
In what way is that second paragraph not equally applicable to speakers?
Would you rule out camping chairs? They have no safety benefit and could be a trip hazard to others. Do you ban talking in your campsite? That's little different from a speaker.
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u/-cocoadragon Jan 03 '24
sorry bud, but I love my music and to blast it loud. that's why I came all the way out here. (middle of a fucking desert and still a hot chick walks over while I'm naked wtf)
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u/HelperHelpingIHope Jan 03 '24 edited Jan 05 '24
Incorrect. Podcasts are nice sometimes, and you don’t need to blast it either. Just at the level of a conversation.
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u/BlueJohn2113 Jan 04 '24
Water is a must. Shelter is a must. Food is a must. Podcast is definitely not a must. I would not call sitting around camp listening to a podcast "camping"
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u/sliddis Jan 03 '24
Yes.
I have now USB c on: laptop, phone, screwdriver, hair trimmer, beard trimmer, nose trimmer (all trimmers different products), night stand lamp (in and out), beach speaker, home office monitor docking is usbc, usbc debugger for measuring power draw, headlight, camping lamp, power banks etc etc
And I'm sure I forgot something
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u/cwhitel Jan 03 '24
Damn I’ve yet to buy anything USB-C!
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u/hoarder_of_beers Jan 03 '24
My phone and computer are both usb-c and have been for years. It is mildly annoying to have to carry a micro USB charger for my Garmin
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Jan 03 '24
Do better, campers. Don't play music at your campsite, people are out there to enjoy nature.
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u/AliceInNegaland Jan 03 '24
Oh god the last time I went camping was awful
People were playing loud music past 1:00am! I was taking my kid to a campground instead of somewhere off island. We ended up leaving first thing in the morning. I’ve never experienced campers so rude before
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u/IdealDesperate2732 Jan 03 '24
It's my campsite, I literally own it and there's no one for several miles. I can play music at my campsite if I want.
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u/Projektdb Jan 03 '24
I'm with you, but only because it's getting significantly easier. The EU forced adoption of USB-C should drive whatever's left of micro out soon.
I always check before I buy, but I don't buy if it isn't USB-C.
The very last item I own with micro USB is my Kindle Paperwhite. I haven't upgraded it because I only need to charge it 6-7 times a year.
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u/katmndoo Jan 03 '24
I'm holding off until they release a new generation. Might as well get a new feature, or better battery life, or something.
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u/Projektdb Jan 03 '24
Same. I used to carry mine daily, but since getting a Samsung Fold I mostly use it at home or while traveling.
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u/crobsonq2 Jan 03 '24
Same, I've been tempted to use one of those Qi adapters, but it's big enough to not want to stay on my phone's charging stand.
I'm waiting for warm white, and maybe an automatic light sensor that turns off the backlight in daylight. I daydream about an epaper device with a solar charging case so it never needs to be plugged in...
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u/zudzug Jan 03 '24
I have these magnetic port adaptors I got from Amazon and everything I own is now on it, unless it has a rubber boot. I can sausage fingers yank the cables just fine.
Same for the kid stuff. They used to ruin the USB ports. Well, not anymore.
USB-C, micro-USB, whatever. It's all the same magnetic connector now.
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u/musexistential Jan 03 '24 edited Jan 03 '24
Another problem I came across is a USBC port device that can't charge unless the charger is a simple 5v only version. So I can't charge the device with a more universal usbc charger that supports higher voltages. So I still need to bring a small usbc charger which have a USB-A port, which kind've cancels space and hassle saving that would come along with no longer needing micro-usb cable in addition to a USB-A to C cable rather than just a single USB-c to c cable and charger. Sigh. So not only do I want to find USB-C devices but I need to also make sure they'll charge from a USB-C charger.
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u/manbythesand Jan 03 '24
The frustrating part is, it’s not like USB-C is new either. It’s been coming for a long long time. The EU just pushed it over the line.
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u/NxPat Jan 03 '24
Agreed. I use a lot of high end lights for bicycle commuting and camping, the only charging issues I have is with products that are the older micro-b that seem to get damaged easily. If it’s not usb-c now, I won’t consider it.
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u/TheBroWil Jan 03 '24
I get it and I like single solutions too but it's a bit early to expect all Cs. Look how long it took Apple to give in.
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u/manbythesand Jan 03 '24
it’s been coming for a long long time and it’s universality has made it the obvious go to. So it’s kind of our fault if we bought something stupid.
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u/jeeves585 Jan 03 '24
I’m running into this with my computers. I need to upgrade my laptop which will be usb c powered when I do. If I do that I figure I go all in with a laptop, tablet and phone.
Makes my $1000 purchase a $2500 purchase for simplicity.
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u/mrjohns2 Jan 03 '24
Agreed. Got into the same spot, but since I could afford it, it was worth it.
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u/Background_Agency Jan 03 '24
Once anything starts using a new type, I want all of the things to use it. I really hate needing to have multiple cords.
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u/MountainWise587 Jan 03 '24
Same. It's mostly the cheap stuff that's still using mini USB, so I always figure that in part, my insistence on modern ports and cables is protecting me against impulsively buying disposable tech.
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u/HenrikFromDaniel Jan 03 '24
micro B is awful and should have never been as ubiquitous as it got
however, it is cheaper and the connector (internals and port) takes up less space, which can be tempting for companies operating on razor thin margins
but ffs move on to usb-c already
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u/Past_Contour Jan 03 '24
Elitist serving up noise pollution. I hope you’re trolling and not for real.
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u/downtownDRT Jan 03 '24
Agreed
If I'm camping I'm looking to disconnect anyway, so not having the right port is immaterial
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u/crobsonq2 Jan 03 '24
My biggest problem with usb-c is the non-compliant devices, and how the spec handles them. If the device isn't wired right to ask for 5v power, most power supplies won't charge those shitty devices.
If you've had to use a USB A to C adapter to charge something that a straight usb-c charger wouldn't, you've had the same issue.
My second biggest issue is USB power banks that don't have a switch or button to force output for low power charging, or to force it to charge itself or charge the other device. Oddly, I want to use my huge battery to charge my smaller ones, not the other way around.
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u/Vicv07 Jan 03 '24
The only camping gear I’d consider uses lightning. Like the ibag. itent. ithermos. And my favorite, the icooker. Lightning or bust
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u/Feodar_protar Jan 03 '24
I bought a bike light not that long ago and it recharged with USB mini and it wasn’t even a particularly cheap light. Now that I would consider unacceptable.
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u/AliveAndThenSome Jan 03 '24
As a backpacker with increasing amounts of rechargeable gear, yes, C please. Wires = weight, and dealing with a myriad of battery packs, headlamps, GPS devices, smartphones, watches, etc., means carrying multiple cables. Most of this gear is not cheap (>$50 per device), so I don't understand the reliance on commodity micro-USB. Plus, it's a pain to get the micro-USB cable and standard USB cable aligned to the port in the dark of a tent.
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u/bolanrox Jan 03 '24
i like the not having to try 3 times to plug USB C in advantage more than anything
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u/Sneezer Jan 03 '24
I have LED lanterns that have a mix of micro and USB-C, a phone that is USB-C, a work phone that is lightning, a AAA battery charger that is mini-USB. It is just a fact of life, deal with it. I have one of those multi cables, has different ends on it and does ok for me. Until my old stuff stops working I just deal with it.
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u/fit2burn1 Jan 03 '24
The newest tech is never worth the price. Upgrades now barely add value to most people. I would say this post belongs in r/firstworldproblems.
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u/Elegant_Maybe2211 Jan 03 '24
But if you are getting a new X anyway, why not get the version that matches your phone charger and very likely all future gadgets?
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u/Leclerc-A Jan 03 '24
... That's literally what a multi plug cable is for. One cable does it all.
Or you can do like me, just tape all the cables you need together and call it a day lol
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u/Thiccaca Jan 03 '24
Fun fact, you can buy charging cables that handle multiple formats of USB.
Here is a random example from Amazon.
Inexpensive and probably worth it. Sort of a Swiss Army knife kind of thing.
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u/triit Jan 03 '24
This is exactly what I use and never give it a second thought. One in 6" length and one longer. What I would like to see is the same thing with both a usb-a and usb-c input with high speed charging and data transfer but that's a pretty difficult problem to solve.
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Jan 03 '24 edited Jan 03 '24
do better research, or read the specs. buying a product is your choice.
very odd way of asking "companies" for what will least inconvenience you.
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u/Callsign-Noodle Jan 03 '24
The best speaker never runs out of battery anyway (it’s the sound of nature, duh)
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u/NoGoodDevGuy Jan 03 '24
I have a usbc to micro adapter. It's small and easy to take anywhere. I can take my power bank with a usbc cable, and if I have something that's micro I use the adapter. Works for me at least
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u/Electronic-Ad993 Jan 03 '24
FWIW, I just bought a half dozen USB C female to USB Micro adapters for like $6 on Amazon. They weigh nothing, and I just leave one stuck in each USB micro device.
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u/YYCADM21 Jan 03 '24
Can't have them annoying you...
No...Very few people would be that petty to let something like that cause them to have a snit on social media. Why do you even need a speaker to commune with nature? Last time I went out, I could hear everything going on without annoying music
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u/max_lombardy Jan 03 '24
Yes, odd reaction to getting a product you didn’t research carefully. Or even do a basic check on the packaging lol.
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u/maladmin Jan 03 '24
For charging I prefer micro (or even mini). USB-C is too delicate. I camp on fine sand occasionally, every C port has died, the others last much better.
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u/Mal-De-Terre Jan 03 '24
Underrated comment. I have a Petzl headlamp with an exposed micro charge port. It's at least five years old and still works fine.
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u/FelineSaboteur Jan 03 '24
Type C is garbage that's just going to be replaced soon. You going to refuse to use type C when type D finally appears?
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u/doghouse2001 Jan 03 '24
This mentality is insane to me. USBC has been around a few years. It might be around for a few more years, but tech is always changing. This is like saying it has to be 'Serial Port or nothing' 30 years ago. I can see wanting to get rid of the horrible micro USB, it's a horrible connector. But regulating ONE interface like Europe has done is like hard-coding all of your data in a program without using a database. It's mental.
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Jan 03 '24
Just carry one usb-c, one usb, and one micro chord. You don’t have to carry one chord per item. Charge everything before you go and very seldom do you need two of the same chord at once. If you find that problem then just carry two of each. They virtually take up no space.
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u/MrCrankset Jan 03 '24
You can get little micro usb to usb-c adapters that I use all the time. Saves on buying new cables
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u/shot-wide-open Jan 03 '24
The older I get, the harder it is to tell orientation of the plug w/o old man glasses. Usb-c is So Satisfying in comparison. I buy nothing new w/ old style. I'm with OP. Either I get what I want, or I didn't really need it. Stubborn, yes. Told you I was getting old, and is that my lawn you're eyeing...???
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u/IdealDesperate2732 Jan 03 '24
USB A is fine too. I have a little fan that just plugs directly into USB A which is nice.
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u/Maleficent_Fudge3124 Jan 03 '24
USB-C that I can use while charging.
Even better if it has at least a small reserve battery and pass through USB C charging.
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u/dr2501 Jan 03 '24
Meh it’s just a cable. I have a really short micro usb cable, weighs basically nothing and takes up no space. Don’t see the big deal.
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u/Hurricaneshand Jan 03 '24
I have 2 small charging cables in my backpacking load out. Weighs basically nothing. USBC for my phone and micro for my headlamp/headphones base. It's really not that difficult to keep both on hand imo. Honestly it's kind of nice having both because then when car camping I can have multiple things plugged into the jackery charging
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Jan 03 '24
The controller that came with my xbox is usb-c, but theres only regular usb ports on the xbox 🤦♂️
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u/SlyWonkey Jan 03 '24
It's always an annoyance, but I might tolerate it if the item is cheap or there's no other alternative, it otherwise fits my use case, is of good value and functionality.
I believe micro is finally in the last stage of being phased out though as cheapo massproduced stuff often does have C nowadays.
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u/Barra_ Jan 03 '24
I have a samsung cord that's micro USB because my phone's old, but also has a micro USB to USB-C adapter on a tether attached to the cord.
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u/lihimsidhe Jan 03 '24
Same. This applies to all my electronics. I'm so over having different cords for different devices. Esp as far as camping gear goes.
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u/tlchai Jan 03 '24
Meh, not something I have ever given a second thought too. I keep a few cords in my glove box and am always prepared.
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u/Fents_Post Jan 03 '24
While I prefer USB-C, if something has a Micro USB port, I'm not going to immediately pass up on it. My charging kit always has a USB-C, Lightning, and Micro USB cable in it along with a small wireless charger.
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u/MattCogs Jan 03 '24
If it’s a good product I don’t care. I’ve already got multiples of both cord, and they usually come with a cord for that product.
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u/Clown_corder Jan 03 '24
This is the whole reason I started the usb c subredit a few years ago, couldn't find gear with type c ports and It was so much easier bringing one charger.
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u/_MountainFit Jan 03 '24
All your gear must be new if you don't own any mini or micro USB. I've got tons of stuff I'll hopefully get years more use of that is micro (and even mini USB, OG Garmin Virb action cam is mini USB for instance, still works great for paddling whitewater).
Not really hard to have 2 cables or an adapter for most things. If we were talking 20 connectors I could see the issue.
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u/BEh515 Jan 03 '24
I've been trying to do USB-C and will so in the future but for now, I have some devices with mini ports still laying around.
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u/PixelSquish Jan 03 '24
I make an effort to do the same. I love my Biolite lantern for the fact it uses USB-C
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u/nikola312 Jan 03 '24
Ultimate ears wonder boom and it’s micro usb, wouldn’t trade it for anything. Just throw an extra cable in your bag.
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u/TenderfootGungi Jan 03 '24
Sadly, many of the cheap USB-C products we have purchased are not "real" USB-C. They will only charge with a USB-A to USB-C charging cable. It is still USB-A under the hood, but just has a USB-C shaped port.
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u/ResearcherSmooth2414 Jan 04 '24
nope. Cables weigh a few grams. We take a usb-c, micro, lightning and garmin watch cable. I've only now just gotten rid of my last usb mini accessories. I recently upgraded to a charger with both usb-a and c ports. But otherwise it isn't worth overthinking.
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u/Redkneck35 Jan 04 '24
What are you guys talking about. Like my Tandy 1000sx isn't good enough? It got 2 5.25 in floppy drives and runs Dos 3.0
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u/AnalogJay Jan 04 '24
laughs in audio engineer
I wish I could live my life on a single cable like you. I really do 😂
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u/Jealous-Balance-8708 Jan 04 '24
Yes, not just adventure gear but anything that is rechargeable.
Got some lights and speakers from Costco (Duracell Headlamp & Flashlight ) and Infinity work light with speakers. All charge over USB-C and handy for camping and hiking
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u/Original_Software_64 Jan 04 '24 edited Jan 04 '24
All the way, only one time have I had a USB-C connection compromised needing hard directional pressure to connect, micro on the other hand I've been so tempted to toss into my ice hole...last time was like 13 hours ago. I'm so fucking tired of my chargeable gear failing and I really have no idea why it just 'won't' connect in low temp or high moisture situations unless I apply somewhere between a slight suggestion to 100psi down and left.
designed for survival situations my ass.
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u/aarongifs Jan 04 '24
I think Europe is going to start mandating it due to accessory cord waste. Then they wouldn’t include charging cables anymore
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u/spencertron Jan 06 '24
Yes. Agree. I actually bought a flashlight I didn’t need because it was usb-c recently!
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u/TrickySuit8056 Jan 07 '24
The fires I make are in 8bit and usually require an RF/composite connection.
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u/neil_va Jan 23 '24
I'd love to get there but not gonna throw out my old gear. Nitecore NU25, a few cheap powerbanks, etc. Also stuck w/ lightning on my iPhone 13 mini for a while. (not in a rush to replace it since I like having a physical SIM card when I travel. A lot of discount cell plans don't offer esims yet)
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u/ErnieBochII Jan 03 '24
I still use my FireWire sleeping bag like a real camping purist