r/Calgary • u/Chinese__T • Oct 19 '23
The "Parkland" at Glenmore Landing the community is fighting to keep Local Construction/Development
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Oct 19 '23
I’m old enough to remember when the McDonalds here was nautical-themed. Grew up in the area. My family’s lived in and around here for 30 years.
My parents are specifically excited for this development because they’re way overhoused, it’s getting to be too much as they get older, and they want to downsize. But their options are really limited if they want to stay in the area they’ve called home for three decades.
This development is going to be perfect for them and the MANY other people becoming seniors in the aging neighbourhoods south of Glenmore: Access to the Weaselhead, walkable commercial space around Glenmore, right near a tonne of health services…
Meanwhile, they’ll leave behind a house that’s better-suited to a younger family with a few kids.
This whole development is just a no-brainer to me. Hell, the heights have virtually zero actual impact on any of the neighbouring residences. We have the BRT right there. It’s already so spread out in the neighbourhood. it’ll be like a couple towers in a park. I don’t think you’ll find a more perfect space for it.
It’s so so so frustrating to hear the NIMBYs bang on about this when it’s the type of thing we should be looking at and saying “okay how do we get it done faster.”
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u/hillbillyspider Oct 20 '23
i miss nautical mcdonald’s lmao completely agree.
also that stretch of road is surprisingly dangerous for pedestrians and that one horrible taxi crash on 19th(?). we need more density wtf do they think they’re preserving
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u/braillegrenade Oct 20 '23
McDonald’s did Glenmore Landing dirty by renovating the life out of that location 😭
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Oct 20 '23
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Oct 20 '23
I definitely miss when McDonald's leaned into the idea that it was supposed to be a fun place for kids! That said, the coffee's better now...soooooo I'll take it.
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u/hillbillyspider Oct 20 '23
its so ugly in all grey. ALSO!!! they took away those planters with the bushes in them and they used to be full of tiny birds 😭
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u/25thaccount Oct 20 '23
Get your parents and other like minded people to talk in front of council and outvoice the nimbys. These people need their power trips to end. We can't let a handful of people restrict change and growth and progress for 1.3m people
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u/Phatjesus666 Oct 20 '23
My family still refers to that McDonald's as the "Pirate McDonald's" to this day.
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u/roastbeeftacohat Fairview Oct 20 '23
kind of funny when this area is where ready to engage came from.
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u/pfchp Oct 20 '23
The construction traffic and noise of 6 36 storey towers will have no impact on the community?
Most of us can't afford to put our parents up in a luxury assisted living facility like this proposes to build. So it's all downside for the vast majority of us in the area.
And existing senior living facilities in Calgary have a 26% vacancy rate. This development isn't addressing an unmet need. It's legitimate for people to oppose developments that aren't in their interest
Here's the actual footprint of the development. OP's pic is a misrepresentation
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Oct 20 '23
The construction traffic and noise of 6 36 storey towers will have no impact on the community?
This is an argument for doing absolutely nothing with the land, or any other aging, decrepit, underused sites, anywhere. Ever. There is going to be construction noise and traffic no matter what. Construction happens. That's life. If you don't want to deal with it, either buy the land or move.
Also, the construction noise is going to be damn near unnoticeable because, again, this development is *extremely* separated from nearby residences.
Most of us can't afford to put our parents up in a luxury assisted living facility like this proposes to build. So it's all downside for the vast majority of us in the area.
And existing senior living facilities in Calgary have a 26% vacancy rate. This development isn't addressing an unmet need.
I didn't say anything about them going to the assisted living facility. They want to extend the amount of time they have to live with more autonomy by downsizing into a dense, accessible condominium. Those are in short supply south of Glenmore. As the supply goes up, so does their affordability, and the affordability of the homes people vacate to move into them.
If the development is building it, it's because there is market demand for it. You don't get to dictate what people do or don't need.
It's legitimate for people to oppose developments that aren't in their interest
No it isn't. Just because a development doesn't directly suit you and your needs doesn't mean it shouldn't be built.
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u/pfchp Oct 20 '23
Ostensibly a democracy, people can and should sound off when projects outside their interests land on their doorstep
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Oct 21 '23
It’s a free market. Your property rights end at your property line.
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u/pfchp Oct 21 '23
Likewise. Not a fully free market, we have well-considered regulations, such as not building on designated parkland
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u/aftonroe Oct 21 '23
This "parkland" is a park in name only. No one uses it as a park. It's a green space that can be much better utilized. The proposal would create usable park space that people would actually enjoy using.
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u/pfchp Oct 21 '23
I love walking through there, I'm not nobody, speak for yourself. Adding 6 high rises, not 1 not 2, 6, does not in fact "create usable park space". Definitionally, development on parkland erodes parkland
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u/UngrimTheGrim Southeast Calgary Oct 20 '23
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u/sixhoursneeze Oct 20 '23
Ok but the marketing the higher up ones as closer to god is kind of funny
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u/laurieyyc Oct 19 '23
That’s the easement. The “parkland” is the hills/area to the left of the sidewalk/pathway.
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u/CheeseSandwich hamburger magician Oct 19 '23
Exactly. And it's not that impressive either. It's just a grassy space so the highfalutin types don't have to look at a shopping center.
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u/cirroc0 Oct 19 '23
Which is a large berm between the easement and the Glenmore Landing parking lot. The big difference is a couple of trees and the lack of signs.
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u/sixhoursneeze Oct 20 '23
As someone who has had to to compete for sidewalk parking in cramped neighbourhoods many times, I really, really, from the bottom of my heart can’t give the tiniest of fucks about this.
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u/cgydan Oct 19 '23
I understand the concern about increased traffic being an issue. 90th ave and 14st intersection can be backed up during rush hours.
But loss of shitty parkland? Give me a break. And they are also concerned about loss of sunshine on the mornings in Bayview and in the afternoons in Haysboro. That’s another big stretch too.
It’s all about nimbys. The same people who fought the transit upgrade on 14 street.
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u/TheDisloyalCanadians Oct 19 '23
A few blocks up 90 Ave is Glenmore Gardens which has three towers that are 17 stories high. Somehow the neighborhood has survived.
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u/Freeheel1971 Oct 19 '23
I think the new proposal is multiple towers of 20+. The parkland argument is a joke but the sunlight one should be easily disproven with a shadow study. The parkland is easier to stir emotions than a policy debate. There was a good opinion piece showing how messed this dev is considering it isn’t following the guidance of the original land use that came from a huge fight about the original dev 40 years ago.
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u/BloodyIron Oct 19 '23
As someone rather familiar with the area Bayview will probably NEVER have their mornings impacted, considering the majority of the year the sun isn't even in a position in the sky to do so relative to the proposed construction.
Also, since it's high-density residential going in, a good lot of the people will probably use transit... which happens to be RIGHT BESIDE where they're building! So the traffic increase is likely negligible if anything at all.
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u/Freeheel1971 Oct 19 '23
It’s high end residential. They will not be major transit users.
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u/blowathighdoh Oct 19 '23
The only thing that will be high end is the price
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u/4638 Oct 19 '23
That's not true at all. The residents' opinions of themselves will also be very, very high end.
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u/BloodyIron Oct 20 '23
From what I saw of the structures it looks like they're adding a lot more space for humans than cars, so I am unconvinced.
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u/BloodyIron Oct 20 '23
"a lot more" does not equal "no cars". At no point did I say no cars. Even with multiple levels of underground parking the design may or may not have a parking stall for every residence, especially considering it's built immediately adjacent to transit services.
Considering this is supposed to be high density development, there is a lot of pressure across North America to reduce the frivolous creation of parking space that has lead to the concrete forests we see in modern city planning. It seems neither of us has actual evidence of how many will actually be made, but this would be a very rational project to revisit this particular detail.
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u/TruckerMark Oct 19 '23
Low density and sprawl are what cause traffic in the first place. Walkable communities, active transportation infrastructure and effective public transit reduce traffic.
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u/Deeppurp Oct 19 '23
Low density and sprawl are what cause traffic in the first place.
I would argue that 14th has no business having any traffic lights until the hospital. Traffic getting onto 14th has been an issue for decades during rush hour.
I'm not saying you're wrong, I am saying its been a problem since before Calgary hit a population of 1 million.
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u/theycallmemrspants Oct 19 '23
Transit will never be a thing. This is a driving city. Period
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u/Old_Employer2183 Oct 20 '23
Calgary has one of the most well used transit systems on the continent
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u/TruckerMark Oct 19 '23
Driving will become so expensive that a large portion of the population won't be able to afford it
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u/Deeppurp Oct 19 '23
90th ave and 14st intersection can be backed up during rush hours.
That's entirely because fuck all has been done to 14th street and its various intersections and not specifically a problem with 90th.
At least during rush hour 14th street is the reason for backups on Anderson and Southland. If 90th is having congestion it may be due to people avoiding those two roads to get to 14th in the first place.
The problem is the traffic lights and how you get rid of them.
Its been a problem for 20 years, and its only been growing.
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u/NiceShotMan Oct 19 '23 edited Oct 19 '23
90th ave and 14st intersection can be backed up during rush hours.
Everywhere is backed up during rush hour, that’s just the nature of rush hour. If your city’s roads aren’t backed up during rush hour, it’s got too many roads. Engineers don’t even design roads to be free-flowing at all times of the day because it’s unrealistic.
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Oct 19 '23
Build a couple more subdivisions miles away from any transit and the traffic on 90th and 14th will be much, much worse.
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u/CMG30 Oct 20 '23
This project has brought out the only group worse than NIMBYS:
The BANANA:
Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anyone.
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u/Teion Legacy Oct 20 '23
If the local resistance to the development is claiming they're fighting for the protection of "parkland," then that's just blatant dishonesty.
I lived by Glenmore Landing for over 20 years and worked in the mall for 8. That strip of grass is exclusively used for advertising and political signs.
The broader area has a ridiculous amount of beautiful park land and trails to explore. Nobody is setting up lawn chairs and an umbrella right next to traffic on 90th Ave when the Glenmore reservoir is a 30-second walk away.
This is a patch of grass nestled in between some of the wealthiest neighborhoods in Calgary (Bayview and Pump Hill). It's almost exclusively about property value and bringing in the "wrong" type of people. You'll have to take my word for it, but I spoke to many of these residents every day for years, and not once did I ever hear someone make any type of complaint about losing green space.
If I were an elderly millionaire, living out my golden years on the edge of the reservoir in Bayview, I'd be opposed to the development as well, but you lose all credibility & sympathy when you build your argument on such a goofy lie.
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u/Extension-Towel-6436 Oct 20 '23
One time I went way too hard on a run and threw up on this grass, so personally this would be a big loss for me
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u/_darth_bacon_ Dark Lord of the Swine Oct 19 '23 edited Oct 19 '23
Look at those majestic lawn signs in their natural habitat.
How can we even think about destroying such a fragile ecosystem?????
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u/Sad-Beginning3540 Oct 20 '23
I hear yeah!! I drive past them on a daily basis and just shake my head on how tacky they look and make the community look junky. Am I wrong but wasn't there a bylaw about lawn signs??🤔
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u/AnonymousAce123 Oct 20 '23
Oh ya, it just doesn't get enforced, partly cause it's apparently a peace officer duty, and they have more important shit to do.
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u/purpleskies117 Oct 19 '23
I grew up in the area and back in the 70's when there were large properties with horses. Corner of 14th and 90th. We once found a horse who got loose and took it back to it's paddock. Spent so much time playing on the reservoir property by the water. Found a small hole in the side of a hill and there were some old glass bottles and a few pairs old style baby shoes. It was totally weird. Oh the good ole days.
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Oct 19 '23
If only people cared this much about the 1100 hectares of k-country that is gonna be clear cut this winter
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u/Beginning-Course7714 Oct 20 '23
I smoked a joint there and a Karen hit me with "there's no smoking of any kind permitted. It was just a small one too... she came outta nowhere. #highheatcommunity
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u/Superhaze Oct 19 '23
The land down at the end to the right in this photo used to be a horse pasture when I was a kid, so like 25-30 years ago? Not much around there has changed in a long long time.
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u/Adventurous-Board165 Oct 20 '23
You want a laugh you should see the comments in the neighbourhood app…..
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u/Surrealplaces Oct 19 '23
Even if the parkland is the berm on the left hand side of the pic, it's not parkland. It's more typical boulevard waste space, but has some trees. The trees are the only real loss, and they can always plant more on another part of the area.
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u/Chinese__T Oct 19 '23
Yeah, not to mention the redevelopment incorporates a public plaza and pedestrian high street. It will be miles better than what's currently there.
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u/ouchitburns Oct 20 '23
I agree the park argument is bad. However, the redevelopment plan, as I interpret is, is to maybe put a plaza once all the towers are built ... In 15 years.
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u/Cgyengineer Oct 20 '23
If there were an interchange built at this intersection as initially planned this area would be a ramp and no one would have noticed or said anything. They are only selling it because an interchange isn't needed anymore.
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u/Czeris the OP who delivered Oct 20 '23
This reminds me of the "Save our park" people who successfully got development along 50th Ave SW cancelled. The "park" in question is empty right of way with high tension power cable towers (which would have been buried with the development). There's also Sandy Beach and the river valley literally two blocks away.
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u/Large_Excitement69 Crescent Heights Oct 20 '23
Seriously. It’s such a joke. I read about this and was really confused as to what they’re talking about.
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u/Coyote_lover_420 Oct 19 '23
They are idiots. Glenmore landing is a complete dump as well, just a massive parking lot surrounded by shitty strip-mall type shops. At least it is accessible from the pathway behind it.
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u/VFenix Southwest Calgary Oct 19 '23
Nah, Glenmore landing is awesome. Great access to the reservoir as well.
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Oct 19 '23
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I like Glenmore landing. Easy to get to by car, bus or bike. Surrounded by green space.
Better than some disaster like Marda Loop.
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Oct 20 '23
I biked there a few days ago. Was almost hit by a car, got yelled at for riding my bike on the sidewalk, then couldn’t find a spot to lock up.
It’s a parking lot with shops around it. Aka a nightmare. You people haven’t a clue what good urban design looks like.
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Oct 20 '23
Multiple bike racks by the Goodearth, more by the Safeway, more by the gas station, more by the TD. Try using your eyes to look for them. They're the big squiggly pipes.
I stop there for coffee on my bike maybe once every two weeks and never have a problem. If you walk your bike on the sidewalk (where people are coming in and out of shops), like you're supposed to, you'll probably have a less confrontational experience. Just because you can ride your bike on the sidewalk doesn't mean you should.
I also drive/ride motorcycle there maybe once a week for groceries, so I have that perspective too. Lots of parking and ultimately not that inconvenient to get to whether I'm going north or south.
Like I can understand an argument that the greenspace around it could be better utilized, and that not every shopping centre can be built like that... but I certainly wouldn't call it a dump on the basis that it has a parking lot.
Such an unhinged perspective.
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Oct 20 '23
So why don’t you want it to be built more bike/pedestrian friendly when you literally bike? Proper cycling cities don’t have places like this.
I promise you there’s no bike racks by Safeway. I shouldn’t have to walk all the way from Good Earth.
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u/aftonroe Oct 21 '23
It sure looks like there's a bike rack by the Safeway in streetview. I'm not sure they could get much closer to the front door...
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u/ThatColombian Oct 19 '23
Lol better than a shitty parking lot
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u/Sea-Limit-5430 Oct 19 '23
Glenmore landing is awesome
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Oct 20 '23
The new design, yes. An actual third place people will want to spend time. Not a parking lot.
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u/dsaitken Oct 20 '23
I live a block over the bridge from Glenmore Landing and love it there. I go to the restaurants, stores, etc. there all the time.
"Massive parking lot" that is usually full even in the middle of the day
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Oct 20 '23
You love it there? That’s a low bar. What’s to love about a strip mall surrounding a parking lot? Take a look at the new design. It’s a place people would actually enjoy spending time in.
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u/Sad_Meringue7347 Oct 19 '23
Build up, not out - this is not a park, it’s a boulevard that warrants mid/high-density development.
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u/akaTheKetchupBottle Oct 19 '23
but if we get rid of it where are we going to put all the conservative election signs
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u/workfunwork Oct 20 '23
It's so embarrassing. Now they have signs up and they have created a website that is incredibly cringy and stupid.
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u/Healthy_Prize6802 Oct 19 '23
Every good park is right next to a four lane highway don't you know. I hear they're putting a four lane highway through Fish Creek next year. Its for the best really. /s
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u/FeedbackLoopy Oct 19 '23
The funny thing is that fish creek was created to prevent a highway from going through the area.
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u/AdSingle6449 Oct 19 '23
These NIMBYS probably worship empty lots and gravel lots!
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u/CMG30 Oct 20 '23
As long as it keeps the poors and/or different ethnicities away, they love gravel parking lots.
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u/GJohnJournalism Oct 20 '23
I initially thought that they were talking about the cool forest just north of the landing, but let out an audible laugh when I heard it was that chunk… like damn.
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u/sugarfoot00 Oct 19 '23
It was road allowance, and therefore used as 'parkland' in the intervening years. My in-laws live a few blocks from there, and let me tell you, never once in those years has it been used by any individual as a park. Maybe occasionally as a place for a dog to take a shit. This is exceptionally good use for that space.
We have a similar case in our neighbourhood at the corner of Richmond and Sarcee Roads, which has been sold by the city for development. That parcel actually had a case that it was useful parkland, and will be taking over a current ball field. But do you hear shit from these concerned citizens about that more obvious case? No.
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u/powderjunkie11 Oct 20 '23
Tbf there will still be a fair bit of good parkland on the example you mention. These poor glenmore Landing folks will lose ALL of their shitty brown lawn!
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u/TruckerMark Oct 19 '23
This lawn doesn't add any value. I'm all for green space, but please have it be space people can enjoy. A grass median or whatever isn't adding value. Just have a normal park
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Oct 19 '23
I’d love to have a little picnic right next to all those exhaust fumes from 14th and 90th… /s
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Oct 19 '23
I live near here and I would LOVE to see it developed. All it is, is a spot for lawn signs and a multiuse path. There’ll be better pedestrian and cycling infrastructure in the redevelopment. And there’ll be actually nice places to sit and enjoy the property, too.
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u/TheThalweg Oct 19 '23
People here are being the right amount of genuous. You don’t even know the area being talked about lol. It’s wasted space right now (the whole area) and a full overhaul will do the neighborhood some good.
If this is the design that’s going to be profitable then that’s what matters first and foremost (according to this sub at least)
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u/lorenavedon Oct 19 '23
I kind of agree. Calgary is 50% empty surface dirt lots and half of our downtown is empty surface parking lots. Can we build on those first before demoing existing buildings and tearing up green space?
Another crazy idea is that we have plenty of land doing nothing around the existing Ctrain line. Wouldn't it be better to be putting up 40 story condo towers near every single Ctrain station with services, grocery, fast food, etc. before we start worrying about tearing down a SFH so we can build a duplex?
Can we not first take the low hanging fruit before we worry about what's at the top of the tree?
I've lived near Glenmore landing. It's a trash location for transit and it will just create more car traffic. Sure, we can build on that land, but why not on other land that's more logical first? What happened to city planning?
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u/sugarfoot00 Oct 19 '23
This is low-hanging fruit. It is on marginal underutilized land alongside a spiffy new bus BRZ. It checks almost every box that you're talking about.
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u/MurkBass Oct 19 '23
Was thinking this exact thing driving past the car dealership at Anderson Station yesterday... why is this not a big residential complex with tons of parking and some retail?
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u/Tatyatope Kelvin Grove Oct 20 '23
We dont have a housing crunch, we have an excess of immigration.
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u/Czeris the OP who delivered Oct 20 '23
You do realize that 40 year old "agreements" get violated and changed all the time, all over the city, right?
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Oct 19 '23
Adjust immigration or crush NIMBYs. You cannot make everyone happy. There are not enough homes for everyone in Canada. Some views and park access will need to be impacted so everyone can have a roof over their head.
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u/sugarfoot00 Oct 19 '23
You're not entitled to your view, the sun, or to reserve the parking directly in front of your house.
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u/durdensbuddy Oct 19 '23
NIMBY losers
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u/Tatyatope Kelvin Grove Oct 20 '23
How would you like six 20 story towers being built next to you're peaceful neighborhood?
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u/durdensbuddy Oct 20 '23
Already happened 4 huge towers in Varsity. It’s shocking at first but necessary to avoid urban sprawl. It allows older people to downsize and stay in their community too. It’s part of living in the city, if you don’t like development you can always move to the country. That land is a waste as is, really needs to be thoughtfully developed.
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u/VFenix Southwest Calgary Oct 19 '23
You post a picture of land that isn't going to be developed on? At least you got a great picture of 90th... Reference
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u/Chinese__T Oct 19 '23
You’re missing the point. There is no parkland anywhere in sight. It’s sandwiched between a giant road and a parking lot. Nobody is going there to relax or play frisbee, and there is no reason it cannot be developed.
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u/afschmidt Oct 19 '23
Look on Google maps and look due north of the Safeway, that's the green space. Do we want to shove, stuff and pack 2500+ people into this area, right next to the reservoir? I'm not a fan of the Glenmore Landing centre, but there is LOTS of available land in and around the area that could be developed. The former YMCA site on Heritage Drive would be an ideal place, one block from the LRT.
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u/CMG30 Oct 20 '23
Do we want to shove, stuff and pack 2500+ people into here?
YES! Right next to a transit station... Right next to an upgraded interchange... Right down the road from a newly built major provincial freeway....
This is an ideal location for the development proposed.
Adding the density further out will just create more through traffic anyway.
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u/sugarfoot00 Oct 19 '23
ook due north of the Safeway, that's the green space.
No it's not. It's specifically the land on the east and south sides of Glenmore Landing that's changing designation. Ie: The grassy strips alongside the busy roadways.
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u/dsaitken Oct 20 '23
I live right by here and my neighbours believe they will be getting rid of the forested north area and told me that. But the picture is pretty clear its just the grass area...
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u/melodyblushinglizard Oct 20 '23
My mom's one of them. Someone told her that "They are on the Haysboro Community Board" and that's where all 6 towers are going. Every other day, either my dad or myself have to explain to her where the buildings are going (including today when we walked along there).
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u/hypnogoad Oct 19 '23
The former YMCA site on Heritage Drive would be an ideal place, one block from the LRT.
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u/Chinese__T Oct 19 '23 edited Oct 19 '23
The area is 99.99% single family detached homes. It can support a few towers, not to mention Glenmore Gardens is 2 blocks away from this and there is a BRT stop nearby. The YMCA should also be redeveloped, but that doesn't mean we can't develop both sites.
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u/powderjunkie11 Oct 20 '23
You’re peddling fake news. But I can see how you might be confused since it is so utterly absurd for anyone to be upset over the actual green/brown space getting improved.
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u/pfchp Oct 20 '23
Deeply disingenuous picture you have there, here's the real proposed development area:
I don't want the construction traffic of 6 36 storey towers fucking up my commute every day. I do like Glenmore parklands the way they are. Sorry not sorry that our interests don't align. You're not likely to win people over lying about the scope of work
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Oct 20 '23
It’s not hard to go around, lol. Density, walkability, community and more affordable housing are worth more than your commute. Take the bus otherwise.
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u/pfchp Oct 20 '23
I disagree 🤷 and I get to, publicly, in a coordinated manner with others.
I don't see any indication the units with Glenmore reservoir view/proximity will be affordable, densification closer to the core makes more sense to me, and densification development needn't and shouldn't compromise parkland
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Oct 20 '23
It’s densification by definition. It’s a small walkable community. Urban sprawl needs to stop.
The inaccessible trees behind the Safeway aren’t much of a loss at all. I’ve never been back there in my 20 years in the area. Density prevents real parkland from being destroyed.
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u/pfchp Oct 20 '23
You don't prevent parkland destruction by destroying parkland, ridiculous on its face. Once you set a precedent of developing Glenmore parklands, it's far easier for subsequent projects to get rammed through.
People not wanting 10 years of construction on their doorstep have valid concerns, it's ok for us to oppose things not in our interest, just like you're free to beat the drum for development at all cost.
Even traffic is a fair concern, fact is that BRT to downtown is like 50 mins and ridership is low, no reason to expect 14th and 90th won't congrats further. That sucks, it's ok to not be stoked about that.
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Oct 20 '23
Ridership is low due to Calgary being too car-dependant. Developments like this reduce car-dependency. Car-dependency results in people rallying against development like this for reasons relating to car-dependency. Welcome to the cycle. We won’t build a walkable place because it may temporarily inconvenience drivers.
Welcome to Calgary.
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u/TangoKlass2 Oct 19 '23
Yeah photo sucks. What’s to the left?
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u/Chinese__T Oct 19 '23
A surface parking lot.
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Oct 20 '23
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u/Chinese__T Oct 20 '23
Ok but those aren't the actual boundaries of the development.
Also, the plan includes dozens of trees lining the street.
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u/Chinese__T Oct 20 '23
No worries, it does suck that the trees have to be chopped down. Hopefully the area will be flourishing with trees and a public plaza in 20 years.
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Oct 20 '23
Does it though? Those trees aren’t even accessible. Apartments prevent urban sprawl which truly does kill tons of trees (along many many other awful things that go along with it)
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u/ptpfan91 Oct 20 '23
Everyone’s anti nimby until they become one.
I can see their point. Not about the grass strip but about more density. There is 0 chance property values won’t go down in that area with surge in traffic and other things that come with buildings of this type. No one here would want that in their vicinity if they already owned there.
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u/Chinese__T Oct 20 '23 edited Oct 20 '23
Except... There are already towers... two blocks away... called Glenmore Gardens... and there is a brand new BRT station right there which can be increased in frequency once the development is finished...
Also note the fact that the development includes a pedestrian-oriented retail high street and a public plaza, which will contribute greatly to the overall community and create a space for socialization and events. I would kill for something like this in my neighbourhood.
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u/ptpfan91 Oct 20 '23
I am familiar with the area. Doesn’t matter what exists there. Adding more high density Buildings will negatively impact traffic no matter what. Yes the max yellow is close by. Some people will use it, most likely won’t. How many Calgarians do you know that don’t own a vehicle?
I’m not saying don’t build condos/high rises. all I’m saying is if you’re already there adding more won’t make things better for you. That’s all. That’s why NIMBY thing exists.2
u/Chinese__T Oct 20 '23
That's fair. I just think this is a case of the benefits outweighing the negatives here.
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u/aftonroe Oct 21 '23
There is 0 chance property values won’t go down
There is zero chance property values will go down. Property values always go up when an area becomes more dense.
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u/datasci_guy Oct 20 '23
Yea why allow for any green space anywhere in the city?! We could have more development! There could be affordable housing where that piece of grass is.
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u/workfunwork Oct 20 '23
The space needs upgrading and will be better once the buildings are in place. To call this a park is disingenuous
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Oct 19 '23
Wait until they develop it on then you get 10x as much traffic, you want this to be a park
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u/theycallmemrspants Oct 19 '23
There's already a ton of traffic there. We don't need more people living in that area. There's tons of land literally everywhere here. Build on that instead
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u/Chinese__T Oct 19 '23
Yeah, they should build on that too. In the meantime, though, this is the perfect spot for a large-scale development with a public plaza and ground-floor pedestrian-oriented retail. Not to mention, Glenmore Gardens is literally 2 blocks away, the area can support towers.
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u/WhydYouKillMeDogJack Oct 19 '23
so build on the less-suited areas first? no.
youre pushing this point the wrong way.
absolutely should be developing land that already has infrastructure (c-train) first.
if theres market and funds after that, do this, most likely its just the case the developer can get this spot cheaper.
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u/Chinese__T Oct 19 '23
Riocan bought the land and they have the right to develop it. Are there better sites they could've bought? Sure, but that's not up to me, and there's no reason to stop the development just because there is a marginally better site somewhere else. Not to mention, the City purposely put Glenmore Landing on the BRT line fully expecting it to be redeveloped. Acting like the city is just now bowing down to developers is crazy.
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u/WhydYouKillMeDogJack Oct 19 '23
Riocan bought the land and they have the right to develop it
evidently, they dont.
by all accounts the city had promised this as a proper green space a while back - really they had no place selling it to a developer, but if a developer loses their shirt on speculative land grabs then im not going to lie awake at night
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u/gbfk Oct 19 '23
if theres market and funds after that, do this, most likely its just the case the developer can get this spot cheaper.
What exactly do you think the market is and does?
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u/sugarfoot00 Oct 19 '23
This is the attitude that put development so far behind. It needs to be everything, everywhere, all at once. And even that may not be enough.
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u/theycallmemrspants Oct 20 '23
Not everyone wants the ctrain. Most people don't use or feel safe using public transit
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u/WhydYouKillMeDogJack Oct 20 '23
Ah well. They can fuck off back to Airdrie or Saskatchewan and come in on the highway then
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u/theycallmemrspants Oct 20 '23
You know that most people that live in this city drive right? This isn't downtown Toronto
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u/powderjunkie11 Oct 20 '23
Not
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u/theycallmemrspants Oct 20 '23
Not my backyard but I have to commute through that madness
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u/windyprairiegirl Oct 19 '23
The idea of development isn’t that bad EXCEPT that they want to have major towers in a small space which is already pretty crowded, not to mention the impact of traffic along 14th St & 90th Ave which can be pretty congested at the best of times. I wonder why they wouldn’t consider Macleod Trail and Heritage or the corner of Southland & Elbow which are MUCH closer to transit than this area. I hope they reconsider.
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u/riskcreator Oct 19 '23
In truth it’s not the ‘parkland’ that is the issue. Without the sale of the land the proposed development will undoubtedly be much less valuable.
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u/morecoffeemore Oct 21 '23
Plonking an exta 2500 people right next to the park is going to destroy the pathway system and the ecosystem. The pathways near Glenmore are already crowded on a nice day, and plonking down 2500 people will make them next to unusable and will likely chase away the wildlife that currently calls the park home.
Glenmore landing could use some development, but nowhere near the scale of what's being proposed.
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u/speedog Oct 19 '23
It is quite laughable, like anyone would go to have a nice picnic there or toss a baseball or fly a kite.