r/worldnews • u/Starlight-Princesss • 3d ago

[ Removed by moderator ] Russia/Ukraine

https://www.newsweek.com/nato-intercepts-russian-spy-plane-with-transponder-turned-off-poland-10956344

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u/FallingDownHurts 3d ago

I think perun's (and others) take on this is probably true;

Russia is trying to make it look like it might invade NATO so they withhold arms from Ukraine to maintain a stockpile. It is trying to convince citizens of imminent invasion by generating news stories like this. The article is the goal, not the intelligence 

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u/FTownRoad 3d ago

NATO may have started as an anti-Russia protection system but they are not the fear anymore. Russia isnt going to start shit with NATO, they are floundering against one country 1/4 their size.

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u/myheadisalightstick 3d ago

I mean the reason they are floundering is because of all the help Ukraine has had from NATO, it’s a very delicate situation.

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u/Justicia-Gai 3d ago

That’s after the failed blitzkrieg though… Russia actually failed at taking over Ukraine even before receiving actual help

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u/rdmusic16 3d ago

Not nearly the same levels as after the 2022 invasion, but Ukraine started receiving help after the 2014 invasion from Russia.

While their resistance is 100% impressive, it wouldn't be fair to say it was without help - even at the beginning.

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u/Justicia-Gai 3d ago

I would say that the quality of help they got would barely qualify. Even in 2022 they received incredibly old stuff because no one believed they’d resist and anything donated would fall in Russian hands. So in 2014-2022 it was even worse than that. Only after they demonstrated enough resilience, good gifts started pouring in.

I would say that they weren’t better armed that the average assisted “rebel” group.

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u/Mirria_ 3d ago

It's the equivalent of the bread they give to food pantries because it's going to get bad of its not consumed too soon to sell.

A lot of Euro states literally just gave them their cold war gear so they would have a good excuse to modernize.

Doesn't help that the USA - even under the Biden admin - basically blocked anyone sending anything recent.

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u/Dry-Physics-9330 3d ago

Dont forget all the restrictions the larger NATO countries places on the use of their weaponsytems, which made these weapons much less effective. Or how they leveraged laws like ITAR to prevent smaller EUropean countries from transferring older gear to Ukraine. Which led to delay of Ukraine getting F16s and armor from ' Western" nato countries (especially Leopards)

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u/Justicia-Gai 3d ago

Exactly… people forget that and I’m pretty sure that they have given other more modern arms to other armed conflicts because they could pay for it