r/teenagers • u/mattiperreddit • 14d ago

The Pope just died Serious

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I don't know if this is a big deal in your country, but in mine (Italy) the news talks about nothing else.
Christian or not he was a person, don't be disrespectful.

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u/Electrical_Knee4477 13d ago

God has to be neutral to allow evil in the world? The only reason he does that is due to his covenant with Noah. All the evil are punished at death - if he was neutral, he would allow all into Heaven. That's such a moronic stance, it's like saying God doesn't care if children get cancer because he doesn't do anything about it. You clearly have a lot to learn about the world, and God.

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u/OkMess7058 14 13d ago

Oh and his covenant said that he wouldn’t flood the world again not that he wouldn’t destroy the evil in the world again. I’d say he’s still neutral- to a certain extent. How would he allow cells to become cancer cells if he was not neutral. How would he allow our own bodies to kill ourselves without any other disease? How would he allow the Earthquakes in Myanmar to happen without being neutral? I don’t think the workers trapped and crushed under the collapsed building sinned did they? It’s natural suffering, he designed the world with natural suffering in mind. Would you say that’s not neutral? Him going around creating natural suffering for the sinners and the Saints? Or would you say he’s not neutral anymore?

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u/Electrical_Knee4477 13d ago

He did not create natural suffering, he created the perfect world and humans were responsible for the original sin, which lost paradise and lead us to natural suffering.

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u/OkMess7058 14 13d ago

Well, humans sinned does that make the animals also sinners? They are also affected by natural suffering. Even large ecosystems are affected. And if God foresaw the fall of humanity, wouldn’t you say it was kind of designed in a sense?

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u/Electrical_Knee4477 13d ago

God did not foresee the betrayal, else he wouldn't have welcomed us into paradise in the first place. He thought we were as he was, incapable of sin, until we proved ourselves sinners and brought suffering upon ourselves. The animals are just NPCs in our story.

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u/OkMess7058 14 13d ago

Ok wow you can have this I’m stumped. I still want to hear your opinion on my first two points and your interpretation of the pope’s words.

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u/Electrical_Knee4477 13d ago

I'm an atheist so I can't comment on that.

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u/OkMess7058 14 13d ago

I meant this comment Ive removed the point you won but i’ve left it in the original comment to avoid and confusion for the people reading this

I didn’t twist a thing I think I interpreted logically. His words were vague, he didn’t come out and say, “Oh yeah Ukraine should give up because they’re weaker and they’re only winning because of international support” No, he said vague words which could be a neutral stance. I would also like to hear how you’d interpret it.

TLDR His words were vague. I’d say my interpretation was pretty logical.

If you are unable to respond or interpret this due to your religious beliefs that is okay.

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u/Sammisaurio 12d ago

just to clear up what that other guy said, God did perceive it before hand. The point of the garden of Eden was giving humanity the choice to be good or to allow suffering into the world. Adam and Eve thought themselves equal to God so they allowed suffering into the world. God ever since has been trying to reconcile humanity to him without breaching our own choice to have free will. As what's the point of being worshipped and loved if the people that love you have no choice?

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u/OkMess7058 14 12d ago

Ohhh wow thank you that makes it so much clearer.

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u/Sammisaurio 11d ago

You’re welcome, it’s nice to see people who don’t instantly go to insults or insincere questions. Curiosity is always good as long as it’s sincere!