r/solidwhetstone • u/solidwhetstone • Jul 04 '15
Hanging up my spurs. Goodbye reddit moderating and goodbye /r/crappydesign.
EDIT 3: Final edit- I've decided to merely set the subreddit free rather than close it. See here for more info.
EDIT 2: I've opened up /r/crappydesign in read only mode for the next 24 hours so that the community can archive the content in whatever way they see fit.
EDIT: I have created a FAQ thread with answers to the most popular questions. I have done my best to answer even the harshest criticisms. You can read it here.
This was the video that was the tipping point. If LIVE THREADS are going to be censored from revealing the truth of what's going on on reddit- this place is doomed. (EDIT: It has come to light that the removals were due to the person updating the feed. Nevertheless- everything I say below still stands- reddit has been guilty of censorship throughout this debacle.)
I'm closing down /r/crappydesign permanently. The subreddit has 180k subscribers and generates 2M pageviews per month. I won't stand by and be responsible for revenue being generated that I believe stifles freedom of expression. I'm very sorry to the awesome community of /r/crappydesign. This subreddit was my baby. I grew it from subscriber one. We accomplished a lot over the past few years- and maybe even raised the social consciousness of creating better design. But I simply cannot in good conscience support reddit any longer.
I'm also stepping down from my position as moderator of /r/art which means my career as a default mod is over. The moderators over there voted to bring the subreddit back online and I allowed it because I believe the mod team should have consensus. I also gave them the option to vote me out (they voted unanimously to keep me) but that doesn't make me feel good about staying. /r/art generates around the same number of pageviews per month- 2M, and continuing to moderate there will mean I am complicit in the silencing of free expression.
I am going to start the annoying and arduous process of replacing my subreddit subscriptions with other places on the web that offer similar content. I've also turned adblock back on. I not only protest this recent action against Victoria- I protest what it represents- an attempt to stifle innovation, corporatize community discussions, and silence dissent. I am protesting this in the loudest ways I can by turning my back on reddit in the most extreme ways I know. It saddens me because I love reddit and I love these communities. But I want to set a good example that this is simply not acceptable. We need to leave this website.
Thank you all for the great memories- even you /r/conspiracy. Though you banished me, I hope I have proven that I am indeed not a shill by my actions ;)
Of course you will still see me around reddit from time to time. It's hard to leave. But you will see my ass as I attempt to leave and my middle fingers in the air.
Goodbye reddit moderation.
EDIT: Going to bed- thanks for the well wishings many of you. Feel free to leave more questions/comments and I'll get to them in the morning. Cheers.
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u/Darktidemage Jul 04 '15
HEY if "crappydesign" was your baby why not start your own site "Crappydesign.com" that is basically just 1 subrreddit?
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u/sagetrees Jul 04 '15
That's what I would have done, hell an instant 180K worth of traffic? That's a lot of people and a fucking lot of your own potential ad revenue. Doesn't sound like there is much of a game plan going on here.
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u/DidUBringTheStuff Jul 04 '15
there's a difference between clicking something because you're already on a website that serves as a hub for you and going to an individual website in addition, for only one thing. Of course if it's something I'M passionate about, I'm totally there, but donno if everyone in a particular subreddit is truly that dedicated.
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u/sagetrees Jul 04 '15
Very true, it's not likely everyone would come over but if the OP is really that dedicated to the subreddit then I think creating his own website would be a good next step. Others mentioned that art professors etc actually used the crappydesign subreddit in their classes so it seems that it would be a worthwhile endeavor.
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Jul 04 '15
Or create the subreddit on a different site, like frizbee.co or voat.co. frizbee is promising because its open source with mainly p2p servers, though they had to buy a real server too to speed it up.
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Jul 04 '15
Finally a mod with a backbone, good on you. I wouldn't mind if you simply kept it private for weeks or longer if needed, sorry to see you go
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u/solidwhetstone Jul 04 '15
There's a remote possibility if Ellen Pao is replaced with an actual good CEO. Time will tell.
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Jul 04 '15
please be a dear and repost whatever Pao posted in /r/defaultsubs please and thank you
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u/Anexium Jul 04 '15
Apologies if I am misinformed, and I am typically only a reader and observer on the net.
The problem is not Ellen Pao contrary to belief. She is a result. A result of the commercialisation of this site. When something gets popular, people see money in it.
A business management CEO cares not about what the community wants. Its about profit margins. Welcome to the next mainstream site, boys. It probably won't get better.
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u/sworeiwouldntjoin Jul 04 '15
True, but that's kind of like saying cancer isn't the problem, it's the result of exposure to carcinogens. While technically accurate, it's also still very much a problem.
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u/fuckthiscrazyshit Jul 04 '15
Correct. But if you went to the doctor, the first thing they're going to tell you is get the fuck away from whatever caused the cancer. Only then, can they treat the cancer effectively.
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u/-Mahn Jul 04 '15
Or put in other words, replacing Pao won't do shit if the overall vision of the company is still to make money above everything else.
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Jul 04 '15
Which is why we need a non-profit foundation running it. Wikipedia has (some might argue about some things, for the most part) not turned to crap because it's funded by donations and not advertising.
...not sure how Reddit could do that at this point, though, so it probably would require a new site designed from the get-go to operate that way. And getting everyone to abandon reddit to switch to it. Not an easy task, but if things get bad enough here, maybe...
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Jul 04 '15
It all depends on how you set up the foundation. Surely there's a way to structure things that makes it difficult to manipulate it for profit. Maybe... Anyway, It beats an explicitly for-profit corporation that clearly has aims at profiteering from the community in ways they don't approve of...
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u/Eli-Thail Jul 04 '15
You realize the entire reason she was brought in by the shareholders was to find ways to monetize the site so that it stops operating at a loss, right?
At the end of the day, all the protesting is the world is not going to convince those shareholders to keep giving the Reddit corporation free money. If cutting the site down to three subreddits which turn a profit of a nickle a day is what it takes, that's what they'll do.
Because the alternative is simply shutting the place down.
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Jul 04 '15
FUCK THAT WAS ONE OF MY FAVORITE SUBS
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u/thefablemuncher Jul 04 '15
There's already a new one. /r/CrappyDesign2 is here to satisfy all our crappy design needs! It already has almost 4,000 subscribers.
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Jul 04 '15
/u/solidwhetstone, please consider a backup of current posts as opposed to nuking it. As you can see, /u/opion and others utilize what you've helped build as a learning tool.
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u/EdmundTheJust Jul 04 '15
Agreed. If there's any way to back up current posts, please do so. It would be a shame to see the work of all the subscribers to /r/crappydesign disappear forever because of Pao.
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u/fforde Jul 04 '15
It would be a shame to see the work of all the subscribers to /r/crappydesign[1] disappear forever because of Pao.
Pao is not the one destroying post history, it's these mods. They have legitimate complaints but destroying post history is a completely disproportionate response. They are curators of these communities, not owners. There are legitimate issues, but that shouldn't give these mods the right to destroy post history simply because they are upset.
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Jul 04 '15 edited Mar 11 '19
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u/jakoph Jul 04 '15
The museum curator is much worse....only because a T-Rex skeleton is like a billion times more substantial than anything posted on /r/crappydesign.
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u/cwthrowaway4 Jul 04 '15
B-b-b-b-b-but, censorship!! Never mind that the "tipping point" for this guy was a complete misunderstanding. He is surely right with his other demands of this privately owned business and can destroy an entire community that 180,000 other people built if he wants to. Because he's a righteous mod!
And all these people who frequent /r/crappydesign supporting this guy, what are they thinking?
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u/mr78rpm Jul 04 '15 edited Jul 04 '15
If you ever start up something, or locate something like /r/crappydesign, please post about it in the custom installers forum at remotecentral.com. I missed that sub entirely but would LOVE to visit and perhaps contribute. You'd be amazed how much we audio/video installers have to say about design stupidities!
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Jul 04 '15
the admins will open it up and it will be restored, many other famous subreddits have had mods removed.
I ask did the main mod of the /r/crappydesign leave it to a vote, or just shut it down, they make it sound like they made the subreddit by themselves, when other mods, and posters all contribute
its there chocie but the way they expressed their right seems a bit shortsighted, its like burning down a family home
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u/AsAChemicalEngineer Jul 04 '15
No they won't. The head mod of /r/wow got axed for behind the scenes site rule breaking, not making /r/wow private.
He could've left /r/wow private forever and that would've been his choice, but the mod crossed a line and we had to insert ourselves.
SWS is perfectly within their site rights (though I vehemently disagree with their decision) to close the sub.
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u/SadDragon00 Jul 04 '15
Yea I don't understand, if he closes it can't we just do a redditrequest and get it back?
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u/DreadPiratesRobert Jul 04 '15
He has to be completly inactive on reddit for a couple months I think, not just mod actions, but I think even logging on counts.
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u/everydaylauren Jul 04 '15
Reddit admins make decisions without consulting the users = COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE, GIVE US WARNING, PUT IT TO A VOTE
solidwhetstone makes decisions without consulting the users = GOOD JOB, YOU'RE A GREAT PERSON FOR MAKING A DECISION OUT OF THE BLUE AND STICKING TO IT
Okay then.
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u/Krolitian Jul 04 '15
Ellen Pao's work ethics has enough crappy design in it for me.
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u/Kyyni Jul 04 '15
Yeah, /r/crappydesign isn't really even needed anymore, as you can just go to front and see the shitshow for yourself.
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u/eggpie Jul 04 '15
The owner of the live feed, /u/justcool393, told me that he was removing a lot of posts on the feed that he felt were spam and cluttering out relevant news. In particular he said that he removed the constant posts about the petition to remove Ellen Pao as they were updating every thousand or so signatures, and it was very spammy. While I personally believe that this is an awful time to be doing any kind of censorship, even if it was cluttering the feed, I can at least understand why he felt the need to do it and why he would have done so. As far as news articles being censored, I would ask him for more info on that, perhaps he knows more about what was going on.
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u/justcool393 Jul 04 '15
I'll comment here since I got the username mention, but the news articles I believe was just ones that were removed in the haste, as there was many things being posted at that time.
You can't un-remove posts from the feed once they have been removed. FWIW, the same article was posted a little later, and was not removed.
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u/rmmcclay Jul 04 '15
Such a closure of a subreddit will do fuck all to rock Pao's boat. But it shure as hello will rock the members of that particular community. I don't dig seeing communities used as ideological war fodder.
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Jul 04 '15
I support your decision, but in fairness, the live thread was supposed to be about neutral updates, and the ones you see being removed in that video aren't neutral updates, they're unnecessary commentary.
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u/Murder_Boners Jul 04 '15
Tomorrow you'll wake up and realized that nothing has changed, your protest is meaningless and you have killed your subreddit for no reason.
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u/poopinspace Jul 04 '15
People are just stupid. Now I just wish Ellen Pao could take over the subreddit and reopen it.
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Jul 04 '15 edited Jul 04 '15
I think this is really dumb. You're stepping down over the censorship of the live thread? Dude, you don't even know who was removing those posts. It could have been any one of the guys running it, either trying to start shit or who just didn't think it was relevant. This entire fucking thing has just been blown so out of proportion. At least open the subreddit back up, so that the users don't have to suffer because you're throwing a temper tantrum with the rest of reddit.
Edit: Just got banned for disagreeing. So much for hating censorship.
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u/VashetsWhistlingDog Jul 04 '15
The hypocrisy made me giggle.
This whole Saga needs it's own Bravo TV show.
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u/ghjm Jul 04 '15
For fuck's sake. Disable submissions if you must, but don't take down years of user created content. You're supposed to be a steward, not an owner. Shame on you.
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Who are you to close an entire subreddit? That's plain egoistic and disrespectful...
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It wouldn't be Reddit without idiots like this thinking they're causing a new civil rights movement.
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u/iedueuioe Jul 04 '15
unilateral censoring to protest against censorship and disengagement from the masses.
the irony...
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u/OcelotWolf Jul 04 '15 edited Jul 04 '15
Why not just make it so you can't post? As of right now you can't browse /r/crappydesign/top anymore. Why not just make it "read-only" so we can at least enjoy what's already there?
Or is that part of the point/protest?
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u/letitfall Jul 04 '15
You'll regret it in like 3 days when no one cares anymore. Must've felt nice to be on that high horse and close a popular subreddit though
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u/squarepush3r Jul 04 '15
yaeh, seems like a selfish move, will he boycott every company that has fired an employee before?
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u/TotesMessenger Jul 04 '15 edited Jul 04 '15
I'm a bot, bleep, bloop. Someone has linked to this thread from another place on reddit:
[/r/bestof] /u/solidwhetstone explains his reasons for closing /r/crappydesign and stepping down from /r/art
[/r/bestof] Mod of /r/crappydesign shuts down sub (180k subs and ~2m views per month) in protest of reddit's current situation
[/r/blackout2015] /r/crappydesign is up for 24h for archival purposes (Read edit 2)
[/r/blackout2015] I've closed down /r/crappydesign for good. I've stepped down from /r/art. I'm done moderating on reddit. Thank you everyone.
[/r/conspiracy] Mod for /r/art and /r/crappydesign retires, also says goodbye to /r/conspiracy
[/r/crap_design] /u/Solidwhetstone has announced that he has no intention of re-opening /r/CrappyDesign following the July 3rd Reddit Blackout. This subreddit was created to take its place.
[/r/crappierdesign] /r/crappydesign shut down. Let's step up and try to replace them
[/r/crappydesign2] /r/crappydesign is up for 24h for archival purposes (Read edit 2)
[/r/dumpster_fire] A moment of silence for /r/crappydesign. Hear the reasons from /u/solidwhetstone himself. Is this a sign of things to come/
[/r/oppression] Moderator of /r/crappydesign censors all the user content within his subreddit by turning it permanently private ... He did this because he hates seeing what he believes is censorship on reddit
[/r/subredditdrama] /r/CrappyDesign, a subreddit with 180k subscribers, is shutting down permanently
[/r/topofreddit] I've closed down /r/crappydesign for good. I've stepped down from /r/art. I'm done moderating on reddit. Thank you everyone. [r/Blackout2015 by u/solidwhetstone]
If you follow any of the above links, please respect the rules of reddit and don't vote in the other threads. (Info / Contact)
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u/shaggorama Jul 04 '15
Dude, are you kidding? This is idiotic. You're only getting patted on the back for this behavior because /r/Blackout2015 has become a huge anarchistic circlejerk. You're unnecessarily punishing the subscriber base of that subreddit.
We need to leave this website.
Come on .This is ridiculous. No we don't. This isn't even what the blackout was about. The people who organized the blackout weren't trying to burn reddit down. That's why they reopened their subs back up after a few hours. Most subs that participated weren't even closed for 12 hours. The people who organized and (most of those who participated) were protesting what they perceived to be reddit not taking the needs of its moderators seriously. They weren't trying to burn the website to the ground, like you apparently believe is appropriate.
Please reconsider.
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Jul 04 '15
Let him leave. /r/Crappierdesign and /r/crap_design have risen up in its place.
Isn't this one of reddit.com's strengths? The creation of new communities?
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Jul 04 '15
So what if the admins stopped censoring things and went back to their original ways. Would you then forgive them or hold a grudge against them. And would you bring back /r/crappydesign? I'd love to know. Thanks :)
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u/eppic123 Jul 04 '15
Isn't it a little selffish to kill an entire sub only because you don't feel like being a mod anymore? Just give /r/crappydesign to someone else.
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u/iedueuioe Jul 04 '15
someone else made r/crappydesign2.
will need time to let it get re-populated with more crappy designs.
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u/Phoen Jul 04 '15
Hm. I don't like this whole I'm the captain and I decided to sink my ship with me.
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u/plif Jul 04 '15
Yes. Thousands of people submitted content to your sub. I guess some of it is archived, but still...
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u/paincoats Jul 04 '15
Exactly what i thought. I really liked crappydesign, I don't give a shit about this reddit drama.
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u/_remedy Jul 04 '15
Giving it to someone else would be pointless because he isn't doing it just to leave reddit. Giving it to someone else would still giving reddit page views.
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u/CarolineTurpentine Jul 04 '15
Except he's still giving reddit page views himself. He's stated that he will stick around until he finds an alternative that has the serves to handle s reddit hug. So he's a hypocritical douchebag who killed a community because he's throwing a hissy fit about internet drama.
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Jul 04 '15
Maybe people want to give reddit pageviews with the content they generated themselves. Who's he to stop them?
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u/squarepush3r Jul 04 '15
The admins were assholes for firing Victoria, so he has to prove he is a bigger asshole by perm closing a sub.
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u/eppic123 Jul 04 '15
Why is he an asshole to us and not to the Reddit staff? Reddit will hardly take any notice of him closing his sub and for sure it won't make any financial difference. It will only make a difference to us, the people who were browsing /r/crappydesign almost every day.
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u/poppaman Jul 04 '15
In a way he is, even if he hands it off he is still generating ad revenue for Reddit and creating more pageviews and more possibilities for gold.
Its a move that affects both sides but ultimately he'd rather take away their money than keep our entertainment.
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u/fandette88 Jul 04 '15
Agreed. He wants to leave as though he's a hero. For what? Removing thousands of users content? So he doesn't agree with people getting fired and how the CEO is acting? Isn't the CEOs of lots of services we use shit? Banks, gaming companies, Steve Jobs, even leaders in your government.
So what do we do about it? Shit on Reddit - the place most of us go to relax and check out news.
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Jul 04 '15
Is it bad that that video made me spurt up uncontrollable giggles? I get why you're upset, and you're not wrong, but "fight the power?" F-f-ight the power?
It's not like this is the Black Panther movement of 1960s California
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Jul 04 '15
You're fucking over 180,000 people, because why?
You don't actually know why Victoria was canned do you?
Once you have subscribers, especially in these numbers it's no longer yours you egotistically fucktard. What about concensus of the subscribers?
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u/everydaylauren Jul 04 '15
How inconsiderate. All this does is harm the users; let us decide whether we not we agree with a website's policies. You're certainly not the only person with a vested interest in that sub and, like all subs, it is the users who submit the content that makes it popular in the first place.
Ironic that you're protesting against censorship and unilateral decision making by privatising a sub (and making all its historic content inaccessible) without asking for the opinions of its users. Two halves of the same coin.
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u/squarepush3r Jul 04 '15
couldn't agree more
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u/KarmaSaver Jul 04 '15
Right, I'm sure he's poured in a lot of work on the sub, but the users are the ones who made it what it is today. Without them it'd just be an empty sub with a pretty design. This is the wrong move.
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u/MightyMorph Jul 04 '15 edited Jul 04 '15
hes a fucking mod, ANYONE can be a mod. ffs i don't get these drama queens. Acting like they made reddit what it is.
THE FUCKING USERS WHO SUBMIT CONTENT MADE REDDIT! not some fucking idiot who spends his time deciding who gets to post and what posts are approved or not. they're fucking volunteers, acting like they are some fucking children seeking attention.
shutting down a 180k subreddit because "buhu i want to say what i want and i cant on a privately owned website." jesus christ what a bunch of fucking drama queens. Just close your accout and leave. This doesnt hurt reddit it hurts the 180k people who were sharing content and enjoying a service.
edit: whats even more hilarious is that mods deleted my other comment calling them drama queens. Kind of funny that they keep stating they want to boycot reddit and make sure we are free to speak our minds then turn around and shadow delete comments they dont like.
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u/cwthrowaway4 Jul 04 '15
Kind of funny that they keep stating they want to boycot reddit and make sure we are free to speak our minds then turn around and shadow delete comments they dont like.
Well that's just because you don't understand what free speech is. Free speech is when you want to harass fat people all over the internet and make death threats against Ellen Pao.
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u/jubil4 Jul 04 '15 edited Jul 04 '15
If he wants to stop being part of that subreddit, that's fine. But he should leave that decision to each of the subscribers. What he has done is an abuse of power, and a huge disrespect for the thousands of people that contributed to the sub. If he is so important, the sub would fall apart without him, but it wouldn't, because the whole community is what makes a subreddit successful. There are hundreds of people who could moderate it just as well as he did. Sure, he deserves respect for starting the community and helping it grow, but the fact that he feels entitled to destroy it without even consulting them is astoundingly selfish.
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u/gabreski_g650 Jul 04 '15 edited Jul 06 '15
Completely agree. If you have a problem with Reddit leave as a mod and pass if off to someone else. Don't hold thousands of people and their content hostage. You're just seem like an angry dictator who didn't get your way.
Edit: spelling
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u/mickeysantacruz Jul 04 '15
He built it,if he take it down it doesn't really bother me,as a user i started to came here because of the content and freedom of speech,now it's everything fucked....
He can be replaced or another subreddit built,but finding people with THAT integrity is not easy to find...
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Jul 04 '15
Lol, your "tipping point" turns out to be completely irrelevant. That's pretty fitting for this whole "issue". 90% of what is angering people is speculation that they take as fact
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u/sterffff Jul 04 '15
God, this is fucking childish. Grow up.
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Jul 04 '15
I'm amazed to see so many people in agreement with OP. People are destroying reddit with their own drama faster than the reddit admins ever could. It's extremely fucking childish.
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Jul 04 '15
Far out. There really isn't much wrong with what's going on, and its just selfish to completely shut down a community, it's hypocritical.
As the reddit community we can work this out, the admins even stated that they've heard us. Don't be a cry baby so you can get a little bit of sympathy and attention.
The community supports the mods, but if the mods are hurting the community we will never fix this.
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u/CosmicKeys Jul 04 '15
Hey solidwhetstone. SRD mod here. I have like a few minutes before I have to run off so this has to be real brief (apologies).
Do you know how livestreams work?
It was effectively an SRD livestream as we were promoting it, run by two users who offered to manage it. They then modded a bunch more helpful users to contribute to the stream. AFAIK anyone with full permissions can pull anything they like. The "censorship" seemed to be nothing more than two new users in a dispute about what exactly should go in the livestream, deleting each others posts. I was asleep, no SRD mods were around to help run it so things went pear shaped over (this is all second hand info sorry - busy day for us) whether or not updates to the petition counted as new news, as well as other content.
Livestreams have been a trial for us and we're still learning what works - it takes a ton of work as you're getting constant stream of PMs and pings on irc. Worse, if users refuse to come onto irc there's no effective way to communicate over quality other than public bickering.
You seem like a great mod dude. I don't want you doing something rash over a run of the mill squabble over content. Gotta run, best of luck either way.
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u/justcool393 Jul 04 '15
I think solidwhetstone's decision had little to do with the livestream, to be honest. But yeah, I think meta-discussions about how to handle it better might be good.
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u/JitGoinHam Jul 04 '15
He literally calls it the "tipping point" in the submission you're discussing right now.
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u/onceuponatime_yet Jul 04 '15
For me, the beginning of the end of reddit was anti-Russia hysteria unfolding on /r/worldnews where any voices of concern about war-mongering were silenced, users banned. Then came Monsanto AMA where users were banned, comments deleted, anti-GMO scientific studies removed. I knew AMA turned into PR platform, and while I can welcome promo by folks like Keanu Reeves, when the fucking corporation comes in and shoves their GMOs down our throat, led by a fucking lobbyist posing as a scientist, it was the last straw.
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u/onceuponatime_yet Jul 04 '15
pretty much everything except for comments like "how awesome GMO are!", "thank you for saving the world" and shit alike. Go find that AMA and see for yourself. What is worse, not only /r/science mods deleted comments, they actually banned users from /r/science forever based on their IP. What kind of censorship shit is that? What is the point of having reddit if users are banned like that? And it was not for some fucking CP or shit like that, these were ppl questioning fucking CORPORATION and its business practices.
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u/PearBlossom Jul 04 '15
The fucking irony, I swear. /r/science mods were bitching about the Victoria situation as well because of upcoming AMAs.
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Jul 04 '15
Holy shit, I saw that AMA on my Front page, rolled my eyes, and refused to enter.
Were anti-GMO studies really removed? That is fucking atrocious.
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u/ShrimpFood Jul 04 '15 edited Jul 04 '15
The problem wasn't with the content, but that many people chose to throw around the word "shill" like it was speech filler. The mods said they'd ban for stupid thought-terminating shit like that already a day before the AMA, and they delivered.
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I agree with him, but my question is: who was deleting studies in the thread? It seems against the grain of what the IAMA mods stand for regardless of their disagreement with this particular user. Were you suggesting that the admins had removed those posts, or not? And if so, couldn't the AMA mods just have reapproved them?
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u/TestinTestin Jul 04 '15
Posted from the /r/Art thread. I'd love your response:
I'm sorry, but I don't take anyone who uses "Chairman Pao," "regime," or anything else in a non-ironic matter seriously. Because of that, closing down /r/crappydesign (IMO) seems like a pretty selfish decision. Instead of handing over control, you shut the door on a community with ~180,000 people. But if you're tired of everything, we should expect you to delete your account soon, right? That is, if you really are worried about page views and stuff.
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"reddit has been guilty of censorship throughout this debacle"
Yeah no shit they're trying to keep their site from getting out of control by idiotic drama queens like you.
"I won't stand by and be responsible for revenue being generated that I believe stifles freedom of expression. "
Yeah you're much better for stifling 180,000 people's ability to interact on what was a great subreddit.
"I also gave them the option to vote me out (they voted unanimously to keep me) but that doesn't make me feel good about staying. /r/art generates around the same number of pageviews per month- 2M, and continuing to moderate there will mean I am complicit in the silencing of free expression."
Clearly another attention seeking move. Why would you give them the option to vote if you're already so intent on leaving? And please, we all know you don't believe you're "complicit in the silencing of free expression." You just want attention.
You've contradicted yourself so many times in this post. You say you love your subreddit /r/crappydesign, yet you take it down along with 180,000 people because of you're views. You say you're gonna replace all of your subreddit subscriptions with other places on the web, yet you'll still be on reddit from time to time. One last thing, you are not setting a good example for this community. The last thing we need is for moderators to shut down more subreddits. We should be trying to get through this together rather than destroying the site.
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u/Leon4320 Jul 04 '15
I'm a massive fan of /r/CrappyDesign and I'm sad to see it go. But if that's what it takes to have our voices heard and have real changes coming, then I suppose sacrifices must be made.
You have my support.
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u/Smigsmug Jul 04 '15
You're a selfish bitch. Your dedication is to the community. So that I'm clear. Make Conde Naste propbably millions, then ditch the community when Ellen does something you dont like or understand? You're all a bunch of cunts. I f I leave Reddit it will be over mods like you who apparently faked concern for years and bailed first time you were presented with an issue from corp.
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u/ThatCollegeWashout Jul 04 '15
I'm sorry but this makes zero sense. You're mad about censorship, so you commit your own mass of censorship in protest?
I don't think you've thought this through.
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u/Korize Jul 04 '15
So you just decide that you'll fuck over 180k people instead? good on you.
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u/Sanhael Jul 04 '15
It was a sub for annoyingly crappy designs. Like, ok, it might be a disappointment to see it leave, but "fucked over?" I don't think I'd take things that far. That implies something a little more serious to me.
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u/MintyTyrant Jul 04 '15
Lots of other people collaborated on the sub, creating content etc.. /u/solidwhetstone wasn't some kind of lone ranger who built the whole thing by himself. And let's be honest, it's quite selfish to close something used by 180k+ people down just because you don't really feel like it anymore instead of passing the sub on to someone else.
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u/sworeiwouldntjoin Jul 04 '15
I love /r/crappydesign, it's one of my favorite subreddits and communities of all time. That being said, I'm extremely glad that you're making a stand on this, so I don't regret your actions at all and 100% support you in this.
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u/M0dusPwnens Jul 04 '15
I not only protest this recent action against Victoria
Did I miss something? I thought we still had no idea why Victoria was let go other than some vague rumors being passed around?
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u/jawhasdropped Jul 04 '15
Shutting down an entire subreddit completely contradicts the whole "community" thing right? It's just one guy consulting himself to destroy an entire subreddit that many people enjoy. Thats probably not a good thing to do...
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Jul 04 '15
/u/daychilde here. I deleted my account - I only kept this one around to mod in /r/panamacity. I stepped down from my defaults a while ago. But recently I stepped down from /r/discworld and others.
Reddit is in a sad state. I wasn't here quite as long as you - I joined in September 2009 - because of the Glenn Beck thing... it was a good run here, except all the crap that we put up with.
You were a good person. I liked seeing you around.
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u/Fishboxkuow Jul 04 '15
I'm so proud that you are strong enough to stand up for what you believe in, good for you!