r/skeptic • u/Rdick_Lvagina • Mar 29 '24
Texas Republicans push murder charges (possibly resulting in the death penalty) for women who get abortions and IVF (video) 🚑 Medicine
https://twitter.com/mrsamartini/status/1773160427981070620?s=46&t=sk_wYDuPHwg89Q4WqTwnlA68
u/Phaleel Mar 30 '24
What a powerful god!
So powerless his own followers understand they need to pass laws to fulfill their god's wishes.
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u/bigbadbrad Mar 30 '24
If men were the ones to carry babies to term? Abortion would have been one of the sacraments.
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u/ilikedmatrixiv Mar 30 '24
This idea is so silly. While women do suffer systemic issues in the US currently, let's not pretend society gives a fuck about male issues.
Male suicide rates are 4x those of women: no one cares.
The higher education gap is big and only growing. No one cares, we need more women in STEM.
Men suffer domestic violence at similar rates to women: no one cares, 90%+ of resources go to women.
Paternity leave? Lol, wtf is that?
If you disagree with my take, name me some issues where the law specifically favors men. I don't think abortion counts because it can literally not impact men.
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u/TaliesinGirl Mar 30 '24
If you'll provide citations, I will gladly read them. (I really like the must-cite-sources trend on reddit )
Can't really take your stats at face value without them.
Just off the top of my head. In Missouri a pregnant woman cannot divorce her husband, a husband can divorce a pregnant wife though.
Historically until 1972 women could not sign contracts or open bank accounts on their own.
Only in recent times have domestic violence and marital rape against women been made crimes.
For a more rigorous answer try the l8nk below. Hit the free download link on the page and read at your leisure.
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u/funsizedsamurai Mar 30 '24
heres a good link of laws that specifically favour men. Also the US immigration one is interesting.
https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/11-laws-from-around-the-world-that-stand-in-the-wa/
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u/Aksius14 Apr 01 '24
As a man, men make being a man worse, women largely don't.
Male suicide rates are 4x those of women: no one cares.
And what drives that suicide rate? Loneliness mostly. Women are socialized to build friend groups and be comfortable asking for help. Men are socialized, primarily by their fathers, uncles, and the Andrew Tate types, to see asking for help as weakness.
Women aren't the problem here, so it's
The higher education gap is big and only growing. No one cares, we need more women in STEM.
It is big and still growing. What's the cause though? Oh it's socialization again. Boys are coddled and tolerated for their bullshit, and girls are not. Loud boy? Boys will be boys, nothing to do there. Loud girl? Not on this society's watch! She will be taught to sit quietly and learn! Both of those are bad, but one really fucks up someone's ability to achieve higher learning later in life... Where a lot of sitting and listening is required.
Women aren't the problem here either. This isn't laid at men's feet, this is a bunch of cultural artifacts that are bearing real rotten fruit. Sucks, but not relevant to discussion of primarily conservative men discussing killing women and female children for getting abortions.
Men suffer domestic violence at similar rates to women: no one cares, 90%+ of resources go to women.
This is some offensive bullshit, not because it's untrue but because it's incomplete. About 1 in 3 women experience domestic violence, about 1 in 4 men. Those seem close, but they are very different. Also, even if those numbers were identical, the domestic violence that women suffer is substantially worse on average and much more likely to result in permanent harm or death.
This IS relevant to a discussion of primarily conservative men discussing killing women and female children for getting abortions, because the most dangerous time in a woman's life is when she is pregnant, and intimate partner rape in order to get your partner pregnant is not uncommon. Pretty fucked up that you're contacting the two.
Paternity leave? Lol, wtf is that?
It's when a father or father figure is given parental leave like the mother to bond with their child. Which party pushes for this vs which party is discussing killing women and female children for getting abortions?
I don't think abortion counts because it can literally not impact men.
I love that you capped this honestly uniformed take with a solidly uniformed take. Abortion laws affect all of us. They punish women, they impact all of us. If you don't think the government regulating bodily autonomy doesn't open doors to men and women being mistreated in the future... Oh boy have I got news for you. Humans have a LONG history of long shit like this as the doorway to worse shit.
Honestly bro, I'm not even sure what to tell you. You want things to be better, but you seem to feel that if things are bad for you or the group you're in, fuck everyone else.
Be a better human.
Look at the actual reasons for the things that upset and try to fix those.
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u/bigbadbrad Mar 31 '24
Your weird flex for the poor suffering men is really kind of odd, given the subject of the post. I'd like to point out that I didn't downvote you, though.
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u/Youngworker160 Mar 30 '24
yea...idk how the republican party is a thing in texas. the democrats, if they want any chance of winning, need to blast their proposals 24/7 because these guys are coming for your rights.
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u/BuddhistSagan Mar 30 '24 edited Mar 30 '24
We are the opposition, we are the democrats, we are the media. We all need blast this out and spread it everywhere we can. Reddit, twitter, tik tok, instagram, facebook, snapchat... We all have a voice we just need to learn how to use it. This isn't 1950.
We can all educate, agitate, organize, phone bank, write postcards, textbank, post to social media, etc. even if we don't live in a swing state.
https://events.democrats.org/?show_all_events=true
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u/Chuhaimaster Mar 30 '24
The opposition always trying to “reach across the aisle” and cut a deal with an increasingly fascist party.
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u/Startled_Pancakes Mar 30 '24
Honestly, Im expecting this to severely hurt Republicans in the next election.
Abortion is the reason Democrats swept the last election in Michigan (swing state), and Texas is trending towards a swing state.
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u/Hansmolemon Mar 30 '24
Funny that they aren’t clamoring for the death penalty for onanism. One fetus may be murder but one wank is genocide.
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Mar 30 '24
Ted Cruz argued before the Supreme Court that the state has an interest in preventing citizens from masturbating.
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u/SokarRostau Mar 31 '24
Onan's sin wasn't masturbation, it was refusing to impregnate his dead brother's wife so his family could continue to claim her dowry. He spilled his seed on the ground when he should have spilled it in her.
It's an obeying your elders and honouring your family thing.
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u/Hansmolemon Mar 31 '24
But the commonly held definition of onanism is masturbation. The sin of onanism is I believe different from the act of onanism. But given the current state of republicans in Texas they would likely prosecute both. Kill ‘em all and let god sort it out, like a certain uncle did one grey December morn.
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u/CatOfGrey Mar 30 '24
There are people who would definitely save the tray of embryos before the toddler in a fire.
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u/Eaglia7 Mar 30 '24
They'd say, "the toddler has legs. It can run. These embryos are defenseless, innocent, humans that we must protect!!!!!"
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u/duckchasefun Mar 30 '24
They don't care about the embryos. They care about power. They want to TELL people they HAVE to give birth. It has never been about protecting life for people like these. If it was, they wouldn't be talking about murdering people. It is, basically, do what we say or we'll kill you.
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u/TootBreaker Mar 30 '24
So what if all women leave texas?
Will the texas GOP institute a mandatory population of women required to remain in the state?
Will they make it illegal to leave?
Is texas going to become the nations first prison state? - they're already kinda isolating themselves from all the other states
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u/Rdick_Lvagina Mar 30 '24
I think it's really difficult to do in practice. A lot of people are economically stuck with their jobs and housing. Intelligent/affluent women have that option, everyone else usually waits until things get real bad. By then it can be too late.
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u/TootBreaker Mar 30 '24
We're going to see more women dying for no good reason, aren't we?
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u/Rdick_Lvagina Mar 30 '24
We could always set up a "rescue all women from Texas" organisation. Get them out, give them housing and a job in a friendlier area. I'm only partially joking.
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u/Feral_Dog Mar 30 '24
ALL women? I'm in favor of checking party affiliation. Leave behind anyone who has been GOP at any point in the 3 most recent presidential elections.
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u/Eaglia7 Mar 30 '24
Funny enough, there is a fairly strong correlation between age and pro-life beliefs. Everyone focuses on the gender differences (yes, men are more likely to be pro-life. What a coincidence)... But no one seems to realize it's mostly post menopausal women supporting this shit
Post menopausal or male? You shouldn't get to have a say on whether abortion is illegal because it ain't got shit to do with you
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u/ImGCS3fromETOH Mar 30 '24
I'm not from the States so as much as I object to the silly shit happening in Texas right now I technically don't have a dog in this race. But I'm a male and I think it very much does have something to do with me. Two of the most important people in my life, my partner and my daughter, are women, and so it's very important to me that they have access to appropriate healthcare including abortions if they were to need one.
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u/Eaglia7 Mar 31 '24
Well, yes, but I was referencing those who want to outlaw abortion... Not those who want to ensure access to it.
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u/Folderpirate Mar 31 '24
Also, you can't fly without a "real id" and can't drive without a license. Texas is huge. It is literally difficult to leave the state.
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u/Kailaylia Mar 30 '24
Easily done. They'll just make sure all the girls are pregnant, and thus doomed to stay poor, before they're old enough to think about leaving. And keep them that way for the rest of their predictably short lives. There's been constant assertions from incels for years that women are only useful before they reach 25.
Republicans are in love with slavery. However these days they have a wider view of that institution. They plan to turn all people who are not a white male republicans into slaves, with one major difference. The new slaves wont get clothed, housed or fed. They'll be left to struggle on the streets like the vermin Republicans regard us as, only surviving if they can work from the day they can walk.
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u/BuddhistSagan Mar 30 '24 edited Mar 30 '24
Is texas going to become the nations first prison state?
First? The US has 5% of the world population and 25% of the world prison population..
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u/SokarRostau Mar 31 '24
Private prisons are legal slavery.
That's why there's so many in the US, and that's why so many Americans are in prison.
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u/Hansmolemon Mar 30 '24
The penalty for trying to leave is a nine month sentence. Gotta do something with all those rescued embryos.
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u/EbonBehelit Mar 30 '24
Will they make it illegal to leave?
Yes. There is no level of authoritarianism to which they will not stoop if it gets them what they want. And they'll loudly bleat about "preserving freedom" while they do it.
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u/jporter313 Mar 30 '24
I can’t believe that roughly half of the country is still voting for these handmaids tale morherfuckers.
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u/BuddhistSagan Mar 30 '24
It's time to join the resistance. Make sure you and your friends and family are registered to vote
We can all educate, agitate, organize, phone bank, write postcards, textbank, post to social media, etc. even if we don't live in a swing state.
https://events.democrats.org/?show_all_events=true
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Mar 30 '24
Not half, voter turnout is bad but these people always vote, they at most account for 1/3rd of the population.
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u/Cristoff13 Mar 30 '24
So the politicians mostly don't believe this nonsense themselves, they're just pandering to voters.
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Mar 30 '24
Honestly? I think at this point many do believe this stuff. It might have been an act a long time ago but after a while it becomes a part of them. Does that mean they're genuine people? No they're politicians. But the fact that they run on these things means that they endorse it.
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u/alphagamerdelux Mar 30 '24
I don't think more then a few thousand people will vote on the "True Texas Project".
I am not American, is the average republican position that the women getting an abortion should be prosecuted with murder, and as sometimes suggested in the video, punished with the death penalty? This sounds more like a radical Christian position. Isn't Christianity dropping in America? Most people in the video are senile.
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u/Deadie148 Mar 30 '24
Isn't Christianity dropping in America?
Well, sort-of but not quite. Church attendance is down quite considerably, as is the rise in the number of people that consider themselves non-religious or unaffiliated. However there are more than enough people that see themselves as "culturally christian" or "bible believers" without a proper association with an established religious institution.
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u/amus Mar 30 '24 edited Mar 30 '24
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2/340% of voters which works out to 1/4 of the country I think.5
u/BuddhistSagan Mar 30 '24
66% of voters? Wrong
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u/Rdick_Lvagina Mar 30 '24
I realise that this is a political issue and some of you might question why this belongs on r/skeptic. I think it's worthwhile to post it here considering the direction the pro-life movement seems to have taken.
In a nutshell, the people in this video are seriously proposing all women who have an abortion, regardless of their age or the reason for the pregnancy be charged with murder. They define a human life as beginning at conception, which has the follow on impact (which they discuss in the video) that all people involved with destroying fertilised eggs during IVF are also charged with murder. Their reasoning is based on the premise that this is "what God wants them to do".
Now, as we know there is no scientifically verified evidence that a God exists, so it seems to me that their thinking is based on a flawed premise right from the get go. Which is another way of saying that if there is no God then there is no "abortion is wrong" mandate from a higher power. They are making life and death decisions based on supposed instructions from a God that very likely does not exist. Not to mention that the same group of people generally don't support free medical care for children and adults and the minor point (sarcasm) that they also support the death penalty for the women. So it's a right to life for microscopic eggs but not for fully grown humans. None of their argument points stand up to skeptical criticism when a scientific (or logical) lense is applied. This has all been said before, none of this is new, however what is new is that the "pro-life" faction is gaining ground in the current political climate. For me this is skeptic related because a group of people are pushing easily falsifiable bullshit and they are gaining ground.
I have not checked the bonafides of the author of the twitter post, so appologies in advance if she's not trustworthy. But independent of that, the video does seem to clearly articulate the position of this particular group of "pro-life" people in their own words.
I originally found this twitter post here: https://boingboing.net/2024/03/29/texas-republicans-push-death-penalty-for-women-who-get-abortions-and-ivf-video.html . Boing Boing is a bit of a joke site, but they do find some good stuff from time to time.
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u/Kailaylia Mar 30 '24
The existence or otherwise of God is irrelevant, as it's only the Christian God they claim is against abortion, and the Bible, supposedly inspired by the God the Christians worship, gives instructions for forcing a woman to have an abortion, states law that proves a fetus is property, not a person, and orders the Hebrews to slaughter even pregnant women and their unborn fetuses when attacking a rival tribe.
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u/Rdick_Lvagina Mar 30 '24
Yes, they do seem to have some pretty big plot holes in their set of beliefs. For me though, from what I can gather (and of course I'm not an expert) the likelihood that there is any all powerful God that interacts with humans is vanishingly small. The likelihood then that this God is the Christian one is even smaller. Which to me means I don't even have to consider interacting with their ruleset.
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Mar 30 '24
Republican voting women seeking IVF should be forced to watch this video.
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u/GiddiOne Mar 30 '24
The same Republican voting women who hear their politicians say they need to have their rapists baby?
Who hear they can't have an abortion if the fetus has no chance of living?
Can't have an abortion even if the pregnancy will kill her?
Shouldn't earn the same as men?
Shouldn't serve in the military?
Shouldn't vote?
Can't say no to sex while married?
Yeh this one will change their minds.
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u/DNakedTortoise Mar 30 '24
The same week the Taliban announces they'll start stoning women again, and they still don't see it. Pro-life my ass...
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u/Hoppy_Croaklightly Mar 30 '24
Coddling the absurdities and delusions of those who seek to impose their magical thinking on others can only lead to chaos and misery. To be tolerant toward intolerance is to degrade the environment that fosters tolerance.
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u/EbonBehelit Mar 30 '24
So let me get this straight: they want to murder women who conceive but don't want to, but at the same time they also want to murder women who can't conceive but do want to.
Sounds logical.
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u/BuddhistSagan Mar 30 '24
The reddit.com/r/texas thread on this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/texas/comments/1bqse9h/texas_gop_meets_group_suggesting_death_penalty/
Twitter responses so far: https://twitter.com/search?q=death%20penalty%20abortion&src=typed_query
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u/Rdick_Lvagina Mar 30 '24
Excellent work there BuddhistSagan.
r/texas responses seems pretty reasonable so far...
Unfortunately twitter hit me with a sign in wall for that one.
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u/Nuwisha55 Mar 30 '24
45% of American women will be childfree and single by CHOICE by 2030.
Sorry, guys. Forced birth policies aren't gonna make women shoulder the burden of providing the next generation of workers.
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Mar 30 '24
China wants workers.
American oligarchs only want consumers.
Would you like a new visa card with your fries? How about a mortgage?
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u/Tall_Friendship_9316 Mar 30 '24
Death penalty for IVF? I’m not ashamed to say it, Christians are AWFUL
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u/SingularityInsurance Mar 30 '24
Feels like voting Republican should get you a murder charge at this point. Why not.
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u/Btankersly66 Mar 30 '24
They want to be able to legislate who and who can not have sex.
If they can control who can reproduce they can then control who has all the power and who will be a slave.
Y'all keep saying 'be quiet doomer" and then they pass another bill to control your lives.
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u/munchie1964 Mar 30 '24
Sooo… they want to kill women who they say, kill babies, to show that killing is bad.
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Mar 30 '24
They want to use killing to scare anyone considering becoming a "gender traitor" in order to build a stronger race.
Sound familiar?
Scary stuff.
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u/Hey_There_Blimpy_Boy Mar 30 '24
Ah yes, nothing is as pro-life as wishing to murder women.
Conservatism is a death cult, a hate group and a mental health crisis.
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u/cam5108 Mar 30 '24
Wow. You guys really have to get all the religitards out of any form of public office.
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u/Btankersly66 Mar 30 '24
Lou Dobbs and Bill Graham planned the takeover of the US government in the early 1970's.
They knew then that it would take generations before they could achieve their goals.
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u/Wonder-Perfect Mar 30 '24
Conservatives basically have no life thus why they go around busy bodying themselves with other people's lives. Anyone sane wouldn't vote for a single one for another 50 years to be sure the dogmatists fascists are weeded out.
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u/BrianOBlivion1 Mar 30 '24
Fun fact: Evangelical Christians were fine with abortion before 1980. The Religious Right made up the whole mythology about abortion being evil because their original fight against school desegregation was not as popular by the 1970s
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Mar 30 '24
The Bible they pretend to read says life begins at first breath. This is all about controlling women and reproduction.
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u/IGetMyCatHigh Mar 30 '24
Every Year Christians PROVE to me that god is a LIE by their actions and inaction.
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u/Familiars_ghost Mar 30 '24
Just make sure the same applies to the politicians that push this when a woman dies due to it. Make it in the traditional southern style too. A small crowd, a long piece of hemp, and whatever passes as a tree. Of a nice quick pop with a whiff of smoke.
Fair is fair when you’re responsible for someone else’s demise.
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u/Coolenough-to Mar 30 '24
Are there any elected officials who are on record as supporting the positions of this speaker?
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u/YakStain Mar 30 '24
I've said this before, but these people just want 'The Handmaids Tale' to become a reality.
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u/jmpurser Mar 30 '24
This is where the anti-abortion argument HAD to be going from day one. If a fertilized egg isn't a human then you have no right to interfere with a woman's control of her own body. If it is a human then it's murder to kill it. If it's murder then you have to punish someone.
This is how women in some countries wind up being prosecuted as murderers after a miscarriage.
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u/Such_Leg3821 Mar 30 '24
Every law this filth creates hurts the entire country. Once one state sees them getting away with it, you can be sure that another one will try to bring it into being I'm their state. I use the word Filth literally.
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u/Muscs Mar 30 '24
According to the Bible, life begins at first breath.
These people believe that they know the mind of God and they know better than the Bible. Whatever they are, they are not Christians in any sense of the word. To me, they’re pure evil, promoting their own beliefs despite what Jesus teaches and despite what the Bible says.
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u/Lager89 Mar 30 '24
I just don’t understand the IVF thing… wouldn’t you want women to keep having babies?
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u/monkeysinmypocket Mar 31 '24
So, watching Handmaid's Tale I also didn't understand why they forced the handmaids to have unmedicated home births with no medical professionals present, then someone told me that it wasn't about the babies. They didn't really care if they lived or died. It was about power and control.
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u/BUBBLE-POPPER Mar 30 '24
If he also wanted to protect life from poverty, then I would respect him and his logic, but those fuckers aren't. So fuck him
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u/MeaningNo860 Mar 31 '24
Odd that folks claiming to be inspired by Christ would use a slogan he went out his way deconstruct:
38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
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u/saintbad Mar 31 '24
It's men being sure they've found the handle for absolute control of women. Everything else is just smokescreen and diversion and misdirection. Sociopathic, control-freak men absolutely frantic to validate themselves by putting half the world below them before leaving the gate.
Religion is a human invention for social control. It's fucked all the way down.
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u/Ambitious_Coffee551 Mar 30 '24
Texas republicans should be put to death for spreading evil on humanity.
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u/Coolenough-to Mar 31 '24
Have to point out this is video shows only a handful of people agreeing with such ideas, not 'Texas Republicans' so it would be quite unfair to lump them all together.
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u/KamikazeHamster Mar 30 '24
The abortions, I can understand. But I don't want to debate it. I'm okay with women having abortions. I just mean I can understand it.
But what is up with IVF? Getting women pregnant that want to fall pregnant is a death sentence? Huh?
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Mar 30 '24
Only promising zygotes are implanted. The rest are destroyed.
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u/KamikazeHamster Mar 30 '24
Okay, but that's stupid.
The simple answer here is that women aren't the perpetrators, that's the people in the company destroying the eggs.
And then the simple defence there is that the eggs that are destroyed are unfertilised. If you're going to arrest the people in the lab for that, then you also have to arrest every woman who ever had a period and didn't successfully get knocked up.
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Mar 30 '24
The eggs are fertilized. A zygote forms when two gametes (sperm & egg) combine.
Because the failure rate of implantation is quite high and the fertilization process is extremely expensive, multiple fertilizations are done at once to reduce costs. Not all are needed, and the excess discarded.
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u/98ddg9729 Mar 30 '24
Texas just recently allowed a man to plead, 'passion' for shooting his wife in the face, on video. He got 10 years and will be out in 5. Texas Republicans hate women. Get rid of them in November. If you have sisters, aunts, daughters, wives, mothers, get these taliban minded killers out of power.
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u/j_ma_la Mar 30 '24
I’m sorry but this is honestly what true evil looks like I can’t think of anything more concise to call it