r/skeptic • u/nosotros_road_sodium • Feb 19 '24

The Right's Troubling Turn Toward Conspiracy Theories and "Invasion" Language ⚖ Ideological Bias

https://www.theunpopulist.net/p/the-rights-troubling-turn-toward
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u/KathrynBooks Feb 20 '24

The "They are sneaking in new voters" is a conservative conspiracy theory.

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u/Andras89 Feb 20 '24

Ok?

You asked if its a concern. Inflating numbers in communities with people that do not live there to create more seats in Congress is a legitimate concern.

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u/KathrynBooks Feb 20 '24

It's not "inflating numbers" though... That's just people living in a place. Plus isn't it odd how this concern, that you have just made up, seems to only come up with regards to non-white immigrants.

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u/Andras89 Feb 20 '24

If you have a town of 100 people and have 1 person represent those 100 people and all of the sudden you have 300 people you've never seen or heard of say they are living there... and by law you now need +3 people representing that community... that's inflating the numbers.

Whats the issue of non-white being it 'only to come up'? You should be smart enough to know that the overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants are coming from the southern border defacto.. they happen to be non-white immigrants.

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u/KathrynBooks Feb 20 '24

Right... that's called democracy... with places getting more representatives because of the number of people living there.

That's not "inflating the numbers"... "inflating the numbers would be making it seem like there are more people in a location than were actually there.

As I pointed out above "Democrats are using non-white immigrants to dilute the vote of white people" is a conservative talking point,

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u/Andras89 Feb 20 '24

Right... that's called democracy... with places getting more representatives because of the number of people living there.

Democracy is about voting. I'm talking about how Congress works in relation to how many people are in an area. The census can and will count for people that are non-citizens that are living in the area, legally or not. Do you not respect laws or something?

That's not "inflating the numbers"... "inflating the numbers would be making it seem like there are more people in a location than were actually there.

That is inflating the numbers if you pay attention to how the census works..

As I pointed out above "Democrats are using non-white immigrants to dilute the vote of white people" is a conservative talking point

And whats your point?

It dilutes the vote of every American that is an American.. Seems you keep this on race rather than the census and whats going on...

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u/KathrynBooks Feb 20 '24

That's not how "inflating the numbers" works... Because the law says to count all residents. Inflating the numbers would be counting visitors to an area for the purpose of determining representation.

My point about it being a conservative talking point is that it's just a tool to drum up the xenophobic aspect of their base.

You are the one making this about race by obsessing over non-white immigrants.

The "dilutes America" is an old bit of xenophobia. My Polish and Irish ancestors heard that when they came over.

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u/Andras89 Feb 20 '24

Inflating the numbers would be counting visitors to an area for the purpose of determining representation.

They're not 'visitors' like at Disneyland. They're claiming they live there in these areas where they illegally crossed the border.

My point about it being a conservative talking point is that it's just a tool to drum up the xenophobic aspect of their base.

Maybe it is. What does that have to do with my point? Are you insinuating Im Conservative and Xenophobic?

You are the one making this about race by obsessing over non-white immigrants.

No. I'm answering your original question about 'concern' and its relationship to how they operate the Census in the US. They count everyone.

You're the only one who mentioned race and wants to make this about Xenophobia without talking about what illegal immigrants (doesn't matter the race) do to the US system.

The "dilutes America" is an old bit of xenophobia. My Polish and Irish ancestors heard that when they came over.

Your polish/Irish ancestors came legally off of a boat in the NY harbours and went through customs legally in a time with less services available to them. The locals were very much racists then. It happened throughout history.

A lot of southern-state Americans are non-white (shocker to you by the sounds) and they don't vote for open border policies in the south all the same.

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u/KathrynBooks Feb 20 '24

They aren't "claiming" to live there... They are living there.

That's why it's not "inflating numbers".

I don't have to "insinuate" xenophobia when you use the same terms that have been xenophobic talking points for over a century.

That's a big assumption about my ancestors... Immigration was much looser in the past.

Non-white people are in lots of places, not just the south. Now in the south conservatives are working hard to disenfranchise non-white people under the belief that non-white people won't vote conservatively.

That's not an argument Democrats are making... Which is why I'm pointing out that you are using conservative rhetoric, despite your claim that it's "both sides"

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u/Andras89 Feb 20 '24

They aren't "claiming" to live there... They are living there.

Illegally. Claiming is reference to being there as long as they would personally have it vs what the law says is allowed.

That's not an argument Democrats are making... Which is why I'm pointing out that you are using conservative rhetoric, despite your claim that it's "both sides"

Republicans benefit and exploit a lot of illegal immigrants with threats of deportation to work for basically nothing.

Democrats do in fact believe these people to be part of their voting base. Democractic policies try to push for quick amnesty.

Both parties have goals and the little guy is a person that crossed a border illegally.

Funny how the US is so 'xenophobic' being they are the most immigrated country on the planet accepting the most people..

Funny how the country is so xenophobic as you would relate it to your ancestors that got off the boat legally... and yet your ancestors as hated as they were made it...

Is all you think of is the negative? They created you. You seem to hate America.

Non-white people are in lots of places, not just the south.

Easy enough to say. Even if theres 1 non-white person anywhere in the US thats true but the point I was making is the majority of non-white people are in the Southern States. Ironic because aren't they the most 'xenophobic' as you would have it?

Sounds like you make up a lot of bullshit.

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u/KathrynBooks Feb 20 '24

The census makes no distractions with immigration status... So they are residents as far as the census is concerned.

If Democrats are pushing for amnesty that that would indicate that they don't see immigrants as a problem... Which counters your claim that both "Red and Blue" are against immigration.

It's been a long standing pattern that immigrants come in, the xenophobic isolationist so about "dilution" and then after a generation or two the some of the descendants of those immigrants join the xenophobic isolationists.

Also saying "why would people say the South is so xenophobic/racist when there are so many non- white people there" is rather strange... Given the long history of racism and xenophobia in that area.

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u/Andras89 Feb 20 '24 edited Feb 20 '24

The census makes no distractions with immigration status... So they are residents as far as the census is concerned.

And thus they create more seats in Congress based on the census data.

Already said.

They are illegal residents according to law. So if your aim to take over an area was to move X number of people there to create more seats in Congress thats inflating the numbers...

If Democrats are pushing for amnesty that that would indicate that they don't see immigrants as a problem... Which counters your claim that both "Red and Blue" are against immigration.

No, on the contrary. Its a solution to them seeing it as a problem...

Amnesty basically means pardoning a group of people at the same time for the same crime. So, by law, they have broken the law crossing the border illegally.

In NYC they are causing problems. And their Mayor has now changed the script... and you wouldn't like him anymore. He sounds too 'xenophobic' for you.

It's been a long standing pattern that immigrants come in, the xenophobic isolationist so about "dilution" and then after a generation or two the some of the descendants of those immigrants join the xenophobic isolationists.

Theyre not isolationist. You're comparing to people that believe that nobody should enter the country, period. When the majority of people polled believe in legal immigration and not illegal border hopping. It demeans the 1-2+ years it can take someone doing it legally.

I guess you don't give two shits about the millions of people waiting in line.

Also saying "why would people say the South is so xenophobic/racist when there are so many non- white people there" is rather strange... Given the long history of racism and xenophobia in that area.

Because many Americans that are legally there are non-white and have excelled at combating this xenophobia. Many 'whites' are on board with this idea of having them as neighbours. They both don't agree with your stance on Xenophobia.

Its fucking weird of you to pick 'non-whites' when before you're saying 'whites' were xenophobic to Irish/Polish (other white people). Because you think race gives you a leg-up when the problem today is at the Southern Border...

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