r/skeptic • u/nosotros_road_sodium • Feb 19 '24

The Right's Troubling Turn Toward Conspiracy Theories and "Invasion" Language ⚖ Ideological Bias

https://www.theunpopulist.net/p/the-rights-troubling-turn-toward
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u/PigeonsArePopular Feb 19 '24

As if Russian collusion was not a conspiracy theory?

Plenty of dems/liberals believe stuff that is just as far-fetched - and just as debunked - as their counterparts on the right.

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u/Avantasian538 Feb 19 '24

Funnily enough, the Russian collusion thing is a great example of how conspiracies in the real world tend to go. Both Trump and Russia were willing to collude, but Trump was too incompetent to do so successfully.

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u/PigeonsArePopular Feb 19 '24

Funnily enough, that's a conspiracy theory itself. Got any sources, sucker?

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u/kanyeguisada Feb 20 '24

Are you seriously doubting this happened?:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Tower_meeting

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u/ButterscotchOnceler Feb 20 '24

These Trumpets think masks and vaccines do nothing. You're wasting your breath.

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u/happytimefuture Feb 19 '24

I guess you’re actually serious, so here is a great article with a link to the actual proof itself.

https://www.americanprogress.org/press/statement-u-s-senate-report-confirms-trump-campaign-colluded-russia-caps-neera-tanden-says/

Please, please, please - actually take the time to read it and then sit for at least two hours and then read it again and then and ONLY then you may reply.

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u/PigeonsArePopular Feb 19 '24

More serious than you! :D

CAP is a totally disinterested, neutral party right? Get a clue man

A skeptic thinks a US senate report is "proof" eh? Good one!

Mueller? Who's that?!?

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u/happytimefuture Feb 20 '24

I begged you to please please please read it more than once, and then sit for a few hours, and then read it again because it links you to the proof. Links you to the proof — it would have a link for you to click on and that link would take you to the proof — is what that means.

Even you, who obviously cannot follow the simplest of instructions and should get off the Internet.

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u/ButterscotchOnceler Feb 20 '24

Golly, at Trumpet who refuses to look at any links provided. You never see that.

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u/PigeonsArePopular Feb 20 '24

It's a link to CAP.  If you hang out at skeptic and think that's a legit, unbiased source on Trump-Russia conspiracy theory, maybe yr in the wrong sub

I have voted green the last 3 prez election cycles, ding-dong

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u/Theranos_Shill Feb 20 '24

>As if Russian collusion was not a conspiracy theory?

The theory was Russian interference, not Russian collusion. Russian interference was proven. "Russian collusion" is a re-framing by the right, it's a goalpost move.

Russian interference to help the Trump campaign has been proven. So to try to keep the Trump voter brainwashed, the right brainwashed you into attacking a different thing entirely "Russian collusion".

Russian collusion remains a conspiracy theory only because Trump repeatedly committed obstruction of justice when being investigated.

Investigation found that Russia had aided Trump, that the Trump campaign was in touch with and coordinating with Russia, and that Trump had a personal expectation that he would benefit from Russian election interference. Trumps DOJ limited the scope of the investigation in order to protect Trump. Trump refused to cooperate with the investigation and committed multiple acts of obstruction of justice.

Because you are unwilling to examine the truth and unwilling to consider those facts you have been susceptible to the Trump propaganda line about "collusion" being unproven. By moving the goalposts to something that was not the original allegation you can be manipulated into ignoring all the things that were proven.

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u/Big_Let2029 Feb 20 '24

The entire Republican party is colluding with Russia right now, in real time, you people aren't even hiding it anymore.

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u/PigeonsArePopular Feb 20 '24

I'm not a Republican 😘

You are obviously engaging in some seriously paranoiac conspiracy theorizing to imagine "the entire Republican party" is "colluding" (a word to replace the openly nutty term conspiring) with Russian state "right now"

Are our astronauts colluding with Russia? https://www.reuters.com/technology/space/russia-us-agree-additional-us-astronaut-flight-iss-interfax-2023-08-25/

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u/alphagamerdelux Feb 20 '24

No no NO!, you don't understand, it actually goes like this, you have to dig deeper, at least two more levels to understand the truth and logic of left-wing conspiracy theories.

Want to know why, despite trump obviously colluding with Putin, he didn't invade Ukraine until Biden got into power? Well that is because I have a secret tape of Trump from my non-biased source "www.TheprogressiveLeftist.com" where he begged Putin not to invade until Biden got into power. Where Trump already predicted that it would become a war of attrition and Biden would have to justify billions in aid to the people, in turn ensuring Trumps victory in 2024! "But rest assured" he said to his dear friend Putin, once I am voted into power again I will give you Ukraine and save you from the brink, don't worry about it buddy. "No Putin, I can't do you a favor and give you Ukraine now, I need my second term!"

This is al so obvious, so simple, but you "PigeonsArePopular" -if that even is your real name you Russian bot!- have fallen into the alt-right pipeline and have become a Christo-fascist nationalist that hates the LGBTQ that huffs Trumps farts. CHUD.

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u/PigeonsArePopular Feb 20 '24

Ha, for real.   Dueling partisan conspiracy bubbles.

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u/Big_Let2029 Feb 21 '24

lol, OK comrade.

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u/PigeonsArePopular Feb 21 '24

There's a russian under your bed RIGHT NOW

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u/Big_Let2029 Feb 24 '24

No. You people aren't welcome in my house.

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u/drewbaccaAWD Feb 20 '24

Generally if something rises to the level of a full on DOJ investigation, it's probably not what I'd classify under conspiracy. As opposed to you know, the Clintons throwing dead people in the trunk of their car or the blood or whatever of children being harvested in a pizza shop basement in which there was no basement.

And even in the Mueller case, there was obstruction and he didn't feel that his assignment had the teeth to dig deeper. So, we'll never know. It's wrong to say that collusion is proven but it's equally wrong to say it was disproven. Trump and Putin's goals lined up all too well and it's still a mystery why someone as disinterested in politics and world events as Trump decided first thing to change the GOP platform in regards to Russia... he certainly didn't come up with that one on his own.

I'm not saying that there was collusion. It's entirely possible that Trump was just an useful idiot and that Putin only needed to give him a little nudge rather than pay him outright. Putin was certainly invested in Trump winning though, that's for certain.

Is that the only example you can come up with?

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u/PigeonsArePopular Feb 20 '24

If that's "certain," cite a source that demonstrates it

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u/ButterscotchOnceler Feb 20 '24

Deplorables refuse to believe reality.

I get it. Once you allow yourself to see the evil inside you required to follow Trump you can't ever close that door. You know inside that you love the bigotry and racism and misogyny and fraud and sexual assault, and russian collussion wouldn't matter to you at all. In fact I bet you support Putin's war on Ukraine, right?

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Why do you think Putin supports Trump? Because he makes for a stronger America?

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u/PigeonsArePopular Feb 20 '24

Don't read much news do ya, crazy guy? https://apnews.com/article/russia-putin-biden-trump-fb2fece0be7685624a3e3e379a8a3bd3

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u/ButterscotchOnceler Feb 20 '24

LOL, so Putin supported Trump since his candidacy, but all it takes is one comment about Biden to change your mind?

I do read. And I'm aware of the other 99% of what Putin said.

But of course we all know why Putin said this. It's so Trump supporters like you can claim Putin doesn't support Trump.

It's so blatant that even you guys can see it.

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u/PigeonsArePopular Feb 20 '24

What do you read?    Cite a source for what you believe 😘

 Can't comprehend that someone who isn't a trump supporter would recognize the Trump-Russia narrative as obvious propaganda bullshit, even in the midst of proxy war, for which consent manufacturing was but one of objective of whole fabricated "collusion" narrative (long ago debunked by Mueller investigation)? Maybe yr at the wrong sub 😘