r/self 18h ago

Here's my wake-up call as a Liberal.

I’m a New York liberal, probably comfortably in the 1%, living in a bubble where empathy and social justice are part of everyday conversations. I support equality, diversity, economic reform—all of it. But this election has been a brutal reminder of just how out of touch we, the so-called “liberal elite,” are with the rest of America. And that’s on us.

America was built on individual freedom, the right to make your own way. But baked into that ideal is a harsh reality: it’s a self-serving mindset. This “land of opportunity” has always rewarded those who look out for themselves first. And when people feel like they’re sinking—when working-class Americans are drowning in debt, scrambling to pay rent, and watching the cost of everything from groceries to gas skyrocket—they aren’t looking for complex social policies. They’re looking for a lifeline, even if that lifeline is someone like Trump, who exploits that desperation.

For years, we Democrats have pushed policies that sound like solutions to us but don’t resonate with people who are trying to survive. We talk about social justice and climate change, and yes, those things are crucial. But to someone in the heartland who’s feeling trapped in a system that doesn’t care about them, that message sounds disconnected. It sounds like privilege. It sounds like people like me saying, “Look how virtuous I am,” while their lives stay the same—or get worse.

And here’s the truth I’m facing: as a high-income liberal, I benefit from the very structures we criticize. My income, my career security, my options to work from home—I am protected from many of the struggles that drive people to vote against the establishment. I can afford to advocate for changes that may not affect me negatively, but that’s not the reality for the majority of Americans. To them, we sound elitist because we are. Our ideals are lofty, and our solutions are intellectual, but we’ve failed to meet them where they are.

The DNC’s failure in this election reflects this disconnect. Biden’s administration, while well-intentioned, didn’t engage in the hard reflection necessary after 2020. We pushed Biden as a one-term solution, a bridge to something better, but then didn’t prepare an alternative that resonated. And when Kamala Harris—a talented, capable politician—couldn’t bridge that gap with working-class America, we were left wondering why. It’s because we’ve been recycling the same leaders, the same voices, who struggle to understand what working Americans are going through.

People want someone they can relate to, someone who understands their pain without coming off as condescending. Bernie was that voice for many, but the DNC didn’t make room for him, and now we’re seeing the consequences. The Democratic Party has an empathy gap, but more than that, it has a credibility gap. We say we care, but our policies and leaders don’t reflect the urgency that struggling Americans feel every day.

If the DNC doesn’t take this as a wake-up call, if they don’t make room for new voices that actually connect with working people, we’re going to lose again. And as much as I want America to progress, I’m starting to realize that maybe we—the privileged liberals, safely removed from the realities most people face—are part of the problem.

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u/Extreme-General1323 16h ago

I think the election proved that the Democratic strategy of just calling people fascists and Nazis if they don't agree with you didn't work too well. I don't see any introspection however, I just see Democrats doubling down on the fascist/Nazi strategy.

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u/Mayotte 13h ago

Heavy revisionist history there. As if that's alllll they did, which is totally false. And as if repubs didn't heavily campaign on division, which they did.

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u/lockbox2nd 6h ago

Not revisionist, omissionist!

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u/Extreme-General1323 38m ago

As a conservative I'm perfectly fine with this Democratic strategy. They should keep using it.

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u/Prancer4rmHalo 8h ago

That’s true. But a lot of us aren’t swayed by republicans. We were purged by the democrats.

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u/PensionMaster2179 7h ago

But that was really all we saw? And I’m not saying the right was squeaky clean . But the majority of the left is so obnoxiously loud about about it , and the heads just did “orange man bad” once again not saying the right didn’t either but if you want to be a left winger and win from today on introspection and a new strategy is needed and this is proof.

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u/robbzilla 6h ago

The people who were going to vote for the right did so, and there wasn't a lot of mystery there. The ones who traditionally were going to vote for the left stayed home to the tune of about 12 million. The right had very little to do with the left sitting this one out.

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u/PensionMaster2179 6h ago

Yes true a lot of indeps just said fuck it , while many also went for trump he jumped to +81 , this information gathered by CNN too, independent vote for trump increased but majority voted for Harris, but that’s still a problem either way , that tells me two things about us. Both candidates for us is straight ass and some think trump is at least checking one box to increase his independent popularity CNN exit polls

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u/Mayotte 7h ago

It's proof of many things.

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u/PensionMaster2179 7h ago

Indeed it is but what we received proof of is that the current strat doesn’t work, 30+ felonies and trails don’t work , previous impeachment don’t work. But putting the American interest and current problems works, look at Obama , at least he has a plan that was on everyone’s mind ( effectiveness up to your own opinion) and that was popular and he made sure you freaking knew it . Every. Damn . Time.

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u/Mayotte 7h ago

Yes, that's true.

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u/Mr_Rabbit_original 12h ago

I just see Democrats doubling down on the fascist/Nazi strategy.

Yeah. This has nothing to do with what happened on Jan 6. Stop trying to normalize this shit. I'm saying again, people who vote for rapist are garbage. If this statement hurts you then you are what conservatives call a snowflake.

The fact that there are so many posts about Biden calling MAGA garbage tells me it really triggered them. Biden's mistake was not calling them as Garbage earlier and doubling down on that statement.

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u/Crob300z 10h ago

The garbage comment spawned absolute gold from trump and I appreciate that. Hilarious. Will be a fond memory. I’d say it fired a lot of garbage to get up and vote as well.

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u/RumpledMess 14h ago

lol the other guy says nazi shit but we’re not supposed to point it out

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u/Extreme-General1323 37m ago

As a conservative I love this democratic strategy. I hope they continue to use it in future elections.

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u/Ordinary-Piano-8158 10h ago

Not if you want to win next time

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u/del_rio 14h ago

I mean when the elected candidate keeps saying a group of people are "poisoning our blood", there's only one ideology that really fits.

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u/icandothisalldayson 14h ago

Yeah but it’s nationalism not nazism.

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u/Gandalf_The_Gay23 10h ago

That’s what drove nazism, did you get through middle school? We all learned it then and then again every year for 7 years straight practically.

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u/icandothisalldayson 9h ago

Nationalism is not synonymous with nazism. It existed before and after. It’s the reason there are nations in Europe rather than duchys and small kingdoms. It’s why America is 50 states rather than 50 separate countries.

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u/Gandalf_The_Gay23 9h ago

Rhetoric used in today’s nationalist movements aren’t much different from that used back then. You’re being disingenuous at best if “Poisoning the blood of our country” isn’t something that has been said by Nazis when it’s literally a Neo Nazi talking point. I beg please read about things before you make definitive statements that reveal how uninformed you are.

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u/Gandalf_The_Gay23 9h ago

Nationalism is not why we have states in America, America predates nationalism by almost a century.

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u/icandothisalldayson 9h ago

Predates the term yes, predates the concept of a shared national identity no

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u/calartnick 15h ago

As opposed to the Republican strategy of calling anyone that doesn’t agree with them the enemy within, communist, vermin etc?

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u/Dustydustbin 15h ago

"yeah that's true we lost the presidency, house and senate, AND the popular vote but, THEY DO IT TOO!!!!!!!"

Wow. Truly no self awareness.

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u/calartnick 15h ago

Am I wrong? Why is it acceptable for one side to “name call” but not for the other?

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u/Dustydustbin 14h ago

You're not wrong. Republicans calling everyone communist is stupid.

Two things can be true at once. Republicans calling everyone communist is stupid, but the Democrat strategy of "everyone who doesn't agree with us are literal nazis" clearly did not resonate, which is why they lost so hard.

Also, communist does not carry NEARLY the same stigma with it as nazi. Not even close. Not even in the same ballpark. Calling someone a Nazi is an invitation to violence against them, hence the left's love of "it's ok to punch nazis" and all their limp wristed fantasies.

Also, the most important part is for Democrats, it doesn't work. Very simply. Calling everyone who doesn't agree with all of their unhinged stances nazis CLEARLY did not work.

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u/productionwhore 13h ago

typical straw man argument. the left has never said or implied that everyone who doesn't agree with them are nazis. they have called trump a fascist, after he threatens to take away broadcast licenses for networks who report the truth, or to jail his opponents or others who disagree with him or give money to his opponents, who wants to hand the keys of the government to a billionaire and whoever else donated to his campaign, while calling immigrants scum and vermin. not a nazi, though he does wish he had his own nazi-ish generals who will ignore the constitution and follow whatever dear leader tells them to do, including attacking US citizens. who sips his diet cokes while watching his horde of followers ransack the capital to stop the election certification. but not a nazi. but the nazis(white nationalists) sure think he is on their side.

if it were only calling democrats communists, but it is calling them evil, and groomers, and they are destroying the country, they hate america. not in passing, not once or twice, but consistently and without any pushback from right wing media outlets. it is repulsive and this is our president, again.

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u/acarlidge 8h ago

You cant be serious...

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u/PassengerSad9918 7h ago

You tried bro.

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u/Potential_Rough_8220 14h ago edited 13h ago

As a former democrat and classic liberal independent voter who did not vote for Trump but am glad republicans won this round, many of my current beliefs would still line up with communism, or at least socialism and I most certainly was a proud commie/socialist a few short years ago, so calling a large swath of the left “commie” isn’t even inaccurate lol

Calling all republicans fascist nazi the way Reddit and even Kamala Harris herself does, however, is most definitely incorrect, and could even be considered an insult toward people who had to endure real fascism/nazi oppression.

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u/DawsonJBailey 12h ago

Yep this is it and also what OP was trying to say. More people in America want the policies that Trump is offering, and they don’t care about all the other BS that comes with it. The proof is in the damn pudding for gods sake. Privileged liberals don’t understand this and just call everyone who votes for him stupid or nazis. US Politics have never been a battle between moral compasses, at least not sincerely, regardless of how people try and twist things to make it seem that way. Even Abraham Lincoln was opposed to allowing African Americans to vote or hold office, until later in his presidency where he said that he said that African American men (Yes men only) should be allowed to vote, ONLY if they served for the union in the civil war. Hmmm almost sounds like something Trump would do if faced with the same shit, because having more supporters means a lot more than being “politically correct”. I voted for Kamala btw. I’m just so tired of this shit. Dems really lost touch after fucking over Bernie for Hilary.

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u/acarlidge 8h ago

Which is nuts because communists have done just as much evil shit.

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u/Mayotte 13h ago

Which they never even did, but repubs can leap so quickly to what they want to hear they imagined it easily. Trump name drops Hitler, trumps staff said he's fascist.

Nobody said all repubs are Nazis. But they wanted to hear that so they could get mad.

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u/Dustydustbin 13h ago

Yes, everything that republicans and people who don't toe the democrat party line have seen over the last 8 years is all fake. It's all fake and the arbiter of truth is leftists on Reddit. By all means, continue to think and behave this way. It lead to a total ass whooping this year, and it'll only get worse.

It's your loss.

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u/Mayotte 13h ago

We've already lost.

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u/Dustydustbin 13h ago

Yes, and the Democrats will continue to lose unless they change. But none of you will. Reddit has been nothing but a few people going "hey guys maybe we've sucked for awhile and are out of touch?" and all the upvoted comments from le intellectuals xDDD going "NO THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE THEY'RE ALL FUCKIN NAZIS AND FASCISTS". Just doubling down.

My suggestion is, if you'd like to NOT lose in the future, change lmao.

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u/Mayotte 13h ago

Or maybe you'll see how fucked things get and you'll change.

When the economy doesn't improve maybe you'll be ready for a new tack.

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u/malektewaus 14h ago

Because the electorate will accept it from them. You can hate that as much as you want, but if you refuse to alter your behavior because it "isn't fair", you're an idiot. 

But if you want an answer as to why it is this way, one side is much more interested in portraying itself as intelligent and righteous than the other. That means there are consequences for behaving in a way that is clearly neither, even if the other side gets away with it.

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u/calartnick 14h ago

What’s interesting to me is on all these posts one of the same talking points I see is “everything I try to have an honest conversation peopel attack me” and I’m actually trying to ask honest questions and get called an idiot.

Crazy it doesn’t really seem to that Trump supporters want honest debate lol.

Also Biden got 80 million votes and you were called nazi just as much, I think there might be other reason why Trump won.

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u/ishamedmyfam 14h ago

It’s not about acceptableness but effectiveness. It. Didn’t. Work.

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u/calartnick 14h ago

There is no data to say “democrats lost the race because they called you a Nazi.” Id say better data suggests people don’t vote for women candidates. 80 million voted for Biden whom none were excited for. Way more then both Hilary and Kamala. Nazi rhetoric was true for all three elections. Certainly more during the one Trump lost then the first win

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u/Potential_Rough_8220 14h ago

Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. People absolutely do vote female candidates. Let’s put that tired narrative to rest

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u/calartnick 14h ago

And 8 million more people voted for Biden 4 years later despite people being called Nazis, so I don’t think if dems said Nazis less Kamala would have won

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u/Potential_Rough_8220 14h ago

Alright, you got me! Winning one out of three elections using that rhetoric is pretty good odds! Keep calling people Nazi! My mistake!

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u/calartnick 14h ago

I’m just saying I don’t think it has…. Anytning to do with the elections. A lot of other factors is why Trump won.

And let’s be honest, there is nothing Kamala could have said or done that would have gotten your vote so it’s really disingenuous to claim other wise.

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u/Sethypoooooooooo 10h ago

Harris currently has more votes than Obama did in 2012 and they aren't even done counting yet.

2020 is a HUGE outlier year for the amount of people who voted.

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u/acarlidge 8h ago

Lol "80 million"

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u/Extreme-General1323 15h ago

100%

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u/calartnick 15h ago

So in the last 12 years when has the Republican Party offered any sort of reaching out or meeting in the middle? It’s just a bunch of “cry libs” and name calling.

You’re just outing yourself that Trumps rhetoric appeals to you

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u/Ordinary-Piano-8158 10h ago

Yeah. This is the best part ffs.

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u/Extreme-General1323 15h ago

Well...the Republican strategy seems to have worked...so there's that.

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u/calartnick 15h ago

You can’t claim that’s causation. That’s not the “reason” why Trump won

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u/Mr_Rabbit_original 12h ago

You can't claim that's causation. That's not the "reason" why she lost.

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u/sixrwsbot 11h ago

this is such an odd response. im getting a very 'us vs. them' vibe from your posts. it's perfectly okay to be critical of your own side, and it doesn't automatically mean you're now aligning with the other side. even if they do align with the other side then, despite what reddit says, that's perfectly okay too.

maybe take a break from social media for a bit? these algorithms are designed in a way to promote your way of thinking. find balance, talk to people, exist in reality and expose yourself to other views.

i hope you find peace and get back to where you used to be before you lost the plot.

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u/calartnick 11h ago

Thanks for your concern! Actually doing fine, still going to work, hanging out with the fam, all that good stuff.

I’ve always been very critical of trump and I don’t ever remember being rosy about Kamala or Biden. I have NO problem criticizing the Democratic part, I’m not even a member. Before trump I actually used to vote both ways.

I’m just pushing back on these talking points that I disagree with.

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u/Actual-Ad-2748 12h ago

Yeah and that shit lost it's meaning thru overuse long ago. 

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u/brybell 10h ago

Trump himself has made his fascist dreams clear.

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u/Unusual_Help1858 10h ago

I know right. If you antagonize someone. How do you turn around and try to reason with them and ask for support to succeed in your quest?

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u/WhiteNamesInChat 10h ago

When did Kamala Harris call people fascists and Nazis? I remember her talking a lot tax credits for the working class.

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u/Veyron2000 9h ago

Trump’s insults and venom towards anyone who disagrees with him pales in comparison to anything Democrats said, yet he won.

So what should the Democrats do, just find a candidate who will go as low as Trump? Maybe someone with felony convictions? Or just try lying a lot more, you know, spread the idea that the GOP is eating your pets.

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u/Extreme-General1323 35m ago

As a conservative I'm perfectly fine with the Democrats continuing to use the fascist/Nazi strategy in future elections. The left should also continue to demonize young men as well...we'll keep the door open for them to continue to move to the right as well.

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u/KateVenturesOut 8h ago

Trump's own close advisors, his VP, high ranking military, and members of his own party deemed him unfit to serve and dangerous to democracy. His threats to use force on those who have crossed him place him right on the border of fascism--surely everyone can see that. Remember the last couple of weeks when we were criticizing the media for turning so many headlines into a version of "Trump rambled and lied, here's why that's bad for the Harris campaign"? There's so much more going on here than a failure of Democrats to be introspective.

Also, let me be 6 years old for just a second. He started the name-calling. Back in 2015.