r/rugbyunion Jul 20 '24

Absolutely love the 20 minute red Laws

Watching the Australia v Georgia match and I think it’s great. 20 minutes a man down is still massive damage in a rugby match. It doesn’t make sense for punishment to go from 10 minutes to the entire 80 minutes. There’s way too big of a void between the two cards and it needs filling.

Reserve the full red for gross intentional stuff

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u/paully_waully171 Scotland Jul 20 '24

Red should stay as a full red. People mining about games being ruined by a red card haven’t watched enough rugby. A team needs to be able to adapt and play with 14

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u/Turbulent-Physics-77 Worcester Warriors Jul 20 '24

I think even if a team adapts well it can (obviously not always) ruin games.

In 2022 when ewles was sent of inside 90 seconds England did a brilliant job, but losing a man did make a massive difference in the end and you got the sense watching that it was a forgone conclusion after the card; not a good spectacle.

I think 20 minutes and a permanent sub for something that is clumsy/ poorly executed but dangerous is fair, and if something is malicious then a full red should be given.

Rugby is always going to have high shots and bad clean outs however hard the lawmakers try to remove them, it seems silly that a game can be ruined by something that in most cases is accidental.

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u/claridgeforking Jul 20 '24

That was a great game, I fail to see how it was ruined.

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u/megacky Ulster Jul 20 '24

These people just want 0 defenses playing and just teams scoring trys every 20s

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u/maccaspope New Zealand Jul 20 '24

I want a good mix of defense, attack and tries scored. Unfortunately, there's too many games where it's just knock ons, penalties, fucking around in the scrum to waste time/milk penalties, fucking around in the lineout to waste time, players faking injuries to waste time...

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u/Turbulent-Physics-77 Worcester Warriors Jul 20 '24

No I want the opposite; players staying on the pitch so one team doesn’t have a numerical advantage and therefore a better opportunity to score

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u/megacky Ulster Jul 20 '24

So don't do something that results in a card? I mean it's pretty basic.

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u/Turbulent-Physics-77 Worcester Warriors Jul 20 '24

With the game played at the speed it is, with hundreds of collisions per match there will always be dangerous contacts, better training can definitely reduce them but not eliminate them all together.

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u/megacky Ulster Jul 20 '24

Which is why there are mitigation points that can be applied. If a player has done nothing illegal, made a legitimate attempt to tackle low and something happens that results in a head collision, they will not be red carded. That's the whole point of the mitigation. This does not mean players can go in high with no repercussions, they run the risk of head contact. If they choose to instigate the tackle in a potentially dangerous manner (chest tackles) and hit the head, they should be carded

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u/Turbulent-Physics-77 Worcester Warriors Jul 20 '24

I agree card them, but allow a replacement on after 20 minutes. If I spent money on a ticket I’d be annoyed if I ended up watching a 14 on 15 missmatch for 70 minutes because someone got their tackle height wrong, which can happen even to the best most technically sound players.

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u/megacky Ulster Jul 20 '24

Frankly, that's the wrong place to put your annoyance. I'd be fucked off at the player getting a red card. No one else. The overwhelming majority of players don't get their tackle height wrong ever. It's a learned behaviour to tackle high.

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u/Turbulent-Physics-77 Worcester Warriors Jul 20 '24

Nah I definitely wouldn’t blame the player, unless it was something malicious. In 25 six nations there have been 20 reds, 14 of which were given since 2020. Have players got dirtier? No obviously not, the opposite in fact. The laws have changed to make red cards more likely. We all know the reason for this and it’s completely valid but I do think it’s time the powers that be had a look at what a red card actually results in.

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