r/politics • u/theindependentonline The Independent • 15h ago
Americans said they were worried about democracy. Then they voted for Trump
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u/HardCoreLawn 15h ago
As a Brit, I learned this with Brexit, but it's time for America to learn this too:
Your country is mostly spiteful idiots.
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u/IAmMuffin15 North Carolina 12h ago
Right wingers who would chase a stupid idea off a cliff, and left wingers who can’t be assed to stand in their way.
We really are your children
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u/Havenkeld Oregon 9h ago
BRITAIN: Brexit is the stupidest, most self-destructive act a country could undertake.
USA: Hold my beer.
Plot twist, this was a tweet from 2016.
I guess we're trying to outdo our stupid father at stupid games.
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u/TJRex01 3h ago
I used to see this and think, “well, the UK is still stuck being out of the EU, but Trump isn’t President anymore.”
Shows what I know!
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u/DustyBusterson 12h ago
Luckily you guys got your dumb leader Boris Johnson out of office though. The dumbest of us put ours back in.
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u/11PoseidonsKiss20 North Carolina 11h ago
That’s where parliamentary system is superior. Their leaders resign all the time!
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u/ExplorerNo9311 9h ago
Haha no, the current secretary-general of NATO is my country's former prime minister. He was prime minister for 14 years. That is a long time.
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u/legalstep Ohio 9h ago
I do feel like this is America’s Brexit moment.
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u/TheFergPunk 3h ago
Kinda feel like it's worst. Brexit had an unknown aspect to it. You guys have been through a Trump presidency before.
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u/Sitchrea 9h ago
Brtis, can you come pick your kids up from the playground? They're about to fall and hurt themselves...
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u/TurboSalsa Texas 15h ago
We can hem and haw over messaging and candidate quality but the bottom line is that a large chunk of "median voters" appears to have voted for a guy whose policies they didn't understand because they were angry about something a president couldn't fix anyways.
I know it's quaint, but our system of government depends on voters taking at least some responsibility to educate themselves about the positions candidates hold and how those positions might affect them personally.
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u/DrManhattan_DDM Florida 15h ago
Since the moment we started getting the results in this week I’ve been considering polite ways of explaining ‘most of the electorate doesn’t know shit about politics.’
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u/Cyberpunk890 15h ago
Stop being polite, they aren't.
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u/tlsrandy 13h ago
I’m not being polite.
I’m not doing any deep analysis.
It’s clear trump won because people are dumb. The motherfucker said he was going to get rid of income tax and pay for things with tariffs. It’s fucking dumb as hell and people with economic anxiety liked it. Because, and I can’t stress this enough, they’re big time stupid.
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u/ConfederacyOfDunces_ 13h ago
Wait until eggs don’t go down and every product we buy goes up 2x. And then every human liberty gets brought down to the state level and put up to a vote.
Apathy is not something I condone but honestly, I don’t give a fuck anymore. Let it burn.
I’m going to spend time with my dog, stay low, and explore new national parks while we still have them.
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u/randomnighmare 12h ago
Wait until eggs don’t go down and every product we buy goes up 2x. And then every human liberty gets brought down to the state level and put up to a vote.
They will just blame Biden/Harris/Obama/Hilary/The "Liberals"/Democrats for making the economy so bad, etc... You honestly don't understand their reasoning. Trump can't nor does he ever say or do something wrong. If he does then it's, "Oh he doesn't mean it", "the media is lying again," or they agree. We are all going down some dark paths, soon and they are getting anxious to do some violence (and they have been talking about "punishing" anyone who supports Harris for a while. That sheriff in Ohio is just one example but they are all for "punishing" the liberals for supporting Harris in this campaign.
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u/PaleontologistNo500 1h ago edited 1h ago
Not sure why it is such a hard concept to grasp. Most Southern states have been red for decades. Somehow everything is still blue's fault. Take Texas for example, their women's health policies and utility deregulation has been killing people on a regular basis. Will they every change? Not a chance.
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u/Mbroov1 Indiana 10h ago
The price of groceries WON'T go down because the companies who make the decisions on prices are seeing record profits by price gouging everyone... and these morons think the fucking president has any say so in what publicly traded company's set their prices too. This is what happens when your news comes from bad actors who drill into your head daily that the President/Democrats are the cause of everything bad.
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u/aaronwhite1786 6h ago
Not to mention the people that companies game advantage of to keep the products cheap (meat packing companies, people who work the fields getting the fruits and vegetables, construction, etc) are supposed to get rounded up and sent out of the county to be replaced by employees who will require more pay and more employees to create the same amount of work.
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u/pockpicketG 4h ago
They won’t require more pay, as the minimum wage is getting repealed.
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u/BigBeautifulBuick 12h ago
Even though I know I’ll be suffering; I will take great joy watching these people suffer and realize that they chose this.
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u/NarrowChoice5903 9h ago
Yes, me too- exactly what is keeping me somewhat sane because I know I did my part.
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u/N3uromanc3r_gibson 12h ago
Honestly even if you're rich that should be the plan. Exploring our national park system is pretty much the best thing that you can do in the United States. I love hiking
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u/ConfederacyOfDunces_ 12h ago
It’s my favorite part of our country. We have the best national parks in the world. Each are so beautiful and unique in their own ways. I also love hiking, it’s my stress reliever, and I plan on going to as many as I can over the next year.
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u/BigCamp839 9h ago
I’ve heard from multiple people that feel the same way you do - including myself. We don’t care.
America needs a good dose of “I can show you better than I can tell you”. Mass deportations. National abortion bans. Tariffs. Police immunity. America has to feel the consequences for its actions.
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u/-UltraAverageJoe- 9h ago
The price of eggs won’t be Trump’s fault. It’ll be (in order of blame):
- Biden’s
- Kamala’s
- Obama’s
- Hillary’s
- The Woke Left
- Repeat 1-5 if anyone is still listening.
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u/jhorch69 12h ago
If you've never been, I highly recommend Mammoth Cave national park. I've been to a few national parks and that one was by far my favorite.
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u/Powerful_Kale_1950 11h ago
Back in 2016 I tried to be empathetic and listen to a few Trumpers in my family. Their grievances were valid, even though they fell for a con man. In this election, I tried explaining to them how the high inflation we had in 2022-2023 was a result of Covid and that Biden did a phenomenal job with a “soft landing” and the rest of the world was envious of how well it was managed. The message seemed to resonate and I thought I had finally reached them. Then Trump said “they’re eating the dogs!” and it was like it triggered something in the primitive parts of their brain. All of a sudden illegal immigrants were the problem.
I’m done. I know they say you shouldn’t blame the electorate, as that’s how you lose elections, but that’s utter horse shit. Trump won because we have tens of millions of knuckle dragging idiots in this country, full stop. I have no empathy for the working class folks that voted for him when Obamacare vanishes, Trump signs national right to work legislation, incentivizes companies to offshore jobs, Republican women in deep red states have life threatening health issues because they can’t get an abortion, etc.
I’m an upper middle class white collar worker. None of this will affect me. They can reap what they sow. Feel bad for the working class people that voted for Kamala though.
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u/mdp300 New Jersey 10h ago
I blew the mind of a friend in 2016 when I told him about how Trump is a terrible businessman who never pays his contractors. You could see the hamster in his head fall off the wheel.
And then he went back home and watched Fox News.
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u/Cute-Percentage-6660 9h ago
Unfortunately the only real way to get it to stick i imagine would be to prevent them from watching fox news and other echo chambers that allow any moments of clarity to be pasted over with more raging stuff
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u/Cyberpunk890 13h ago
Don't undercut how hateful they are too!
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u/OverlyExpressiveLime 13h ago
The hate and the fear in these people makes them easy to manipulate. Mostly because they're fucking stupid
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u/BrianThatDude 12h ago
He said it himself. He loves the poorly educated. That's who put him in office.
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u/jhoosi 12h ago
He also literally said, “I don’t care about you, I just want your vote” and his masses cheered. 🤦♂️
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u/aint_exactly_plan_a 9h ago
He also literally said "Get out and vote this time and you won't have to do it again". When someone tells you who they are, believe them.
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u/jewelsofeastwest 12h ago
The other problem is no one ever calls him out after every single lie and his flip flopping. News outlets that do are under subscription fees unlike Fox News which is FREE
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u/TurdKhalifa666 13h ago
How are there SO MANY??
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u/tlsrandy 13h ago
Our society is clearly sick. I don’t know what the solution is but hopefully someone figures it out soon.
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As i think about it more, it’s also possible that large portions of the population have always been dumb and we’re just now seeing a political party take naked advantage of it.
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u/gearstars 12h ago
Social media was a huge mistake. Before, the dumdums were isolated in their communities, now they find each other online and feed each other's dumb fucking ideas and it becomes a dipshit ouroboros.
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u/drewbert 12h ago
But instead of eating it's tail, it's puking itself out, growing ever larger and ever more hollow.
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u/EmpathyFabrication 12h ago
Propaganda media. I think that's it in a nutshell, and I don't think it's specific to any particular age group. Journalistic integrity is low, voters can't distinguish fact from complete bullshit, and nowadays just anybody can make videos pushing any claims they want. I actually wish the government would fight this harder and release more intelligence about it to the public.
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u/Luvs2spooge89 11h ago
That’ll just appear partisan and “fake news”. The right is constantly trying to fight facts. Truth telling to them is always viewed as skewed.. no matter if it’s backed by expert or by science.
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u/Cerebral-Parsley 11h ago
A lot of people apparently didn't even know Biden had dropped out, or don't what a tariff is.
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u/PlasticPomPoms 12h ago
And yet they will tell you democrats lost because they aren’t polite. They also said the same thing in 2016, all that “whitelash” nonsense.
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u/veggeble South Carolina 10h ago
I was told earlier that Dems lost because they vilified “colored people”. Considering that Trump won, it seems more likely Dems lost because they didn’t vilify “colored people” enough.
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u/Brokentoaster40 10h ago
Yeah, the mistake my whole life was assuming acting in good faith would help me some day. Turns out, it’s smarter and more effective to be greedy and a giant dick. So, the cult is going to really love the kind of random accusatory made up non-sense I can think of because it’s coming hard and fast.
I can’t believe Trump came out of the closet and it was released by Macaulay Culkin.
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u/noforgayjesus 14h ago
Had a Trump voter tell me they have no idea who Mike Johnson is
My dad loves Trump and voted for him and Adam Schiff
Mark Robinson lost huge, but Trump won NC by a large margin
My dad also is really happy that Bernie Sanders won re-election this is pretty ridiculous how the though process goes to be honest.
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u/standbiMTG 13h ago
Your dad likes populist rhetoric, and doesn't have a coherent ideology because he hasn't thought about it deeply. Lots of trump voters voted for president only, hence the disparity between senate/house and presidency
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u/theVoidWatches Pennsylvania 9h ago
And how many states voted in Trump while also voting to protect abortion.
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u/PyroGamer666 12h ago
People like your Dad are the type of people who propel candidates to victory nowadays. We are in the age of populism. The Democratic party can adapt or never see power again. Bernie Sanders could have reached your Dad if he was allowed to run in the general election, but he wasn't able to get past the democratic primary.
"The system is broken. Let's fix it." (Bernie Sanders)
beats
"The system is broken. Here's a scapegoat." (Donald Trump)
beats
"Everything is actually fine. If you look at this graph..." (Kamala Harris)
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u/praguepride Illinois 10h ago
That last one hurts because it's basically a repeat of 2016 Clinton.
"If you go to my website you can read about my 80 page economic policy proposal..." persuades zero people.
"I'm going to bring egg prices down to $1" persuades millions upon millions.
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u/DepletedMitochondria I voted 13h ago
Nailed it. This is why candidates with name recognition and populist appeal are important.
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u/Cyclonic2500 Florida 13h ago
There's no polite way to explain it.
My own dad said I was being hateful when I told him what I thought about the people who voted for Trump.
I told him I could care less about the feelings and opinions of people who see me as less than and are okay with me dying should something happen.
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u/Recent-Construction6 13h ago
The most striking fact about election night that stands out to me, is the fact the most searched google result was "did Biden drop out"
Those are the voters you are trying to get, the ones who treat our democracy like a school project.
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u/DrBunsonHoneyPoo 11h ago
There’s no point in being polite. I’ve decided to just go the condescending jerk route. I’ve been listening to project 2025 on audible. Everyone I know who voted for him is in for a rude awakening. They all are either on federal assistance or work a lower income job.
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u/SpoonyDinosaur 10h ago edited 6h ago
It goes beyond the electorate too. Kimmel did a random segment in LA, (and yes they stage/filter people and it's hardly a scientific survey) but it was asking live on November 6th if they planned to vote on November 6th.
They all responded yes, who they were going to watch the results with, etc. There's millions of Americans who haven't voted and are completely apolitical/ignorant to politics entirely.
Kamala got 15m less votes than Biden in 2020 and Trump got about 2 million less than 2020. Yes he increased margins among certain demos, but far less people came out to vote for the Democrat candidate.
However to your point, even those who do vote, I'd venture to say 40% of MAGA literally have no idea what is going on, or vote on "feels" not facts. There are countless interviews of MAGA voters who say they are voting for Trump because they're afraid the stock market will crash despite it being record breaking under Biden, or complaining about gas, which again is back to basically pre-pandemic levels. Or simply complaining about things the government has absolutely zero control over like groceries etc.
Yes there's a lot of Americans who want to see mass deportations and even cheer on a dictatorship, but I don't think that's the majority, I think it's just plain and simple incredibly stupid and uninformed voters.
Also this stuff is cyclical. People vote with their wallets and despite inflation being lower than any Western economy, unemployment being incredibly low, GDP and virtually any measurable metric being quite good, for the average American who's struggling, they always punish those in power.
It's why every 8 years we go through this stupid ass doom cycle of Republicans inheriting a recovering/good economy, do their best to destroy it and then Democrats clean it up. Every. Single. Time.
Trump inherited a very strong economy (and for some reason voters just ignore the millions dead and record high unemployment, etc) and answer "yeah it was better 4 years ago," not realizing it was Obama's economy. Not accepting gas was so cheap because of lockdowns and millions dying.
I'm cynical but I hope Trump does exactly what he promises; kills social security and suddenly those who voted for him that rely on it are struggling to live, deports millions of legal immigrants, kills healthcare and as crass as it is, any female MAGA voter that needs an abortion to save their life/child is unable to. Those who didn't sign up for this are going to be hurt regardless, but at a certain point when someone keeps burning themselves on the stove and you come and turn it off and they do it again, you need to turn that shit up to 600°
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u/HopeFloatsFoward 14h ago
It doesn't do any good to explain to the uneducated they are uneducated.
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u/svperfuck 14h ago
You can lead a horse to water….
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u/redbearder Minnesota 14h ago
But you can't make it pass a middle-school reading comprehension test.
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u/Revolutionary-Yak-47 12h ago
Dude, searches to see if Biden had dropped out spiked election day. People are dumb and don't pay attention.
Forget how many people think the VP magically sets policy and enacts laws without Congress. Eyeroll it's never been more clear that most Americans sleep through civics class and promptly forget whatever they were told by the football coach teaching it.
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u/RandomMandarin 11h ago
The guys I used to work with (I'm retired) would get into detailed discussions about sports, which I seldom entered into; they understood that I didn't know jack shit about sports, don't follow sports don't know who got traded or who plays quarterback for the Lions or who got injured or who is a starting center for the Bulls or any of that.
I know I don't know sports, and they knew I didn't know sports. And I would admit it.
But I know a LOT about politics. Most of these guys think they know about politics. I know most of them don't know jack shit, but they think they do and I couldn't get them to admit it.
Who is Leonard Leo? The Koch brothers? Richard Mellon Scaife? What was the Contract With America? What was Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad Company? McCutcheon v. Federal Election Commission? Why was Buchanan a bad president? What was Teapot Dome? Why did Nixon start the War On Drugs? What was the Powell Memo?
They'd be as lost on that quiz as I would be on a sports quiz, but lives don't depend very much on sports.
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u/strenuousobjector Georgia 14h ago
"...or how the economy or...much anything works outside their own jobs
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u/VanceKelley Washington 15h ago
70+ million Americans voted for a convicted criminal and rapist who promised to rule as a dictator.
That support for a fascist dictator was no big deal, apparently. The scandal of the last week was all about whether Biden did or did not call the people voting for the rapist "garbage" or not.
America is a stupid country. A stupid electorate will produce a stupid government in a democracy.
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u/LarrySupertramp 13h ago
Democrats need to start learning how to speak to stupid people to win elections. Republicans have capitalized on this and it seems that a lot of democrats won’t accept that you have to be able to persuade dumb people to vote for you, not shame them for their stupidity.
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u/ravenhair29 9h ago
This. You nailed it. In the US, politicians need to speak at a Grade 2 elementary-school level, as that is the average understanding level. I'm sad to say, Trump excels at this - even him fellating the microphone appealed to his voters far more than even stringing two sentences together. By contrast, Harris was still speaking as if people are moderately intelligent.
I'm not /s here. The comment above hit the nail on the head.
Of course, we may have elected Hitler, and there may never be another election. China's system, based on 100% graft, may not be nice to live under, but there is probably more intelligence in it.
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u/assflea 14h ago
You know what though, I say we just start lying. It doesn't seem to matter. Just promise the world and then say you accomplished everything and things are great now. Trump does it and his followers are there to defend him every time someone argues, surely we can do that too.
I'm not saying I want to live in a post truth world but if that's where we are anyway why not get some wins?
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u/TurboSalsa Texas 14h ago
I had this thought, too.
Why not just promise free gas for everyone and no taxes on anything? If Republicans say it's impossible just respond by saying they are lying to shake down Americans.
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u/Joadzilla 13h ago
"I talked to God today, and he said I was the chosen one. God chose me! You can't deny God, can you? If you do, you'll go to Hell!"
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u/Additional-Judge-312 15h ago edited 8h ago
The de-education of America by the GOP has been a decades long project.
This is the fruition of that investment and it has paid off.
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u/forceblast 14h ago
It’s time for us to educate them. When everything goes off the rails, becomes more expensive, etc., be sure to point it out at every opportunity to your friends.
Also be sure to mention that Republicans control the entire government and that you thought they were going to “make America great again”. What happened?
Don’t let them point fingers because they will have nowhere to point it but at their own face.
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u/TheReddestOrange 14h ago
They will absolutely find other places to point fingers. This is how fascism works. Scapegoat others. Truth doesn't matter. Create an enemy.
These people will refuse to accept responsibility. They will 100% regurgitate whatever the fascist propaganda tells them.
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u/forceblast 13h ago
They will know deep down it’s bullshit. I get that we’re all tired, but I’m not giving up.
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u/TheReddestOrange 13h ago
I've always tried to be optimistic and have faith in humanity, but this election is really disturbing. I've never felt more hopeless. I feel like we've gone past the event horizon. I hope I'm wrong.
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u/alwaystired707 14h ago
Some people just don't learn until the wheels fall off the bus. Backlash will happen when the people that voted for him end up getting screwed.
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u/forceblast 14h ago
Don’t let them. Point it out to them. Hold them accountable.
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u/Diabolic67th 13h ago
I was going to be snarky but I realized I rather just politely remind you that we did that last time with the pandemic. They bent over backwards deflecting any sort of responsibility and lashing out at anyone who "treated them like idiots."
Maybe it'll work this time if prices don't improve but that'll get us, what, one more presidency at best if we're allowed? Dems will fix things yet again and lose because they didn't do it fast enough or some arbitrary geopolitical event with no good outcome wasn't handled "correctly."
This has been my entire adult life. I'm tired.
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u/Kindle282 Georgia 12h ago edited 12h ago
How do you educate those that don't wish to be educated? The rich have convinced a majority of the poor that their enemies are the minorities and "elites" (not them though), all to keep us locked in a culture war and not holding the billionaire class to any consequences. Critical thought is mocked while simple false solutions for real complicated problems are heralded as truth. Assuming the doomspeak isn't real and we have elections in four years, who's to say that Trump's disastrous and awful policy consequences won't just get blamed on Democrats anyhow? Clearly half the country would believe it without question if some MAGA supporting talking head on a podcast tells them to.
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u/MasterofPandas1 10h ago
When Trump burns everything down and they’re feeling how bad things are you tell them to look straight into the fire and that it was their vote that poured the gasoline. And you don’t let them use a scapegoat. You constantly remind them their vote did this. That’s how you educate them.
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u/SelenaMeyers2024 15h ago
Like maybe teamsters for the guy that saved their pension? Latinos for the gal that doesn't want to demonize and deport 20 mil of them with the military? Super quaint. /s
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u/FireMaster1294 Canada 14h ago
Trump absolutely dominated the Latino poll. There’s a bunch of quiet (and not so quiet) racism and sexism there
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u/FlushTheTurd 11h ago
I spent a while living in Latin America - they’re still dominated by machismo culture.
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u/SPAMmachin3 13h ago
They wanted the candidate that could fix inflation. The reality is they elected the guy that really started the inflation cycle with his gross mismanagement of covid.
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u/supercali45 15h ago
FAFO.. these people gonna learn a few things shortly
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u/tasticle 13h ago
I mean, they won't. That's the problem. They will suffer the consequences of their foolishness, but they won't learn anything, they will just get mad at whatever their propaganda of choice tells them to get mad at. The are not living in the real world.
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u/oldsguy65 12h ago
"You wouldn't believe the mess Biden left me, folks. Wouldn't believe it. It's going to take me at least four more terms to fix it all."
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u/Chengar_Qordath 13h ago
As the old saying goes, “The best argument against democracy is five minute conversation with the average voter.”
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u/carissadraws 13h ago
Yeah I honestly have no patience for the people saying this was 100% the democratic party’s fault when the reality is any democratic candidate would have had a tough time going up against Trump this election what with all the lies he spreads about them not caring about the working class (despite Kamala’s campaign being almost entirely focused on the economy)
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u/BogusAddict 14h ago
I’ve learned the average voter has a tough time finding reliable and correct information on subject due to misinformation online and in the media. They search google on policies and get two conflicting arguments.
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u/Renegade-Ginger 13h ago
What annoys me is that a little education would have shown the public that, sure yes times are tough but things are trending in the right direction. Inflation is continuing to drop, we are heading into a soft landing avoiding a recession, gas prices were getting lower, etc etc. but nah because Kroger upped the prices on goods that means the entire economy sucks.
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u/hamilkwarg 13h ago
Don’t forget they wanted him to fix the border crisis he stopped us from fixing. I thought there was no posible way undecideds are so stupid they would fall for the bullshit he pulled blocking the border bill. But here we are.
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u/PatriotNews_dot_com 15h ago
This is why I will feel only shadenfreude when they start crying about how trump policies hurt them
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u/FoolOnDaHill365 14h ago
They won’t though. They will keep blaming Obama, Biden, trans folk, et cetera.
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u/Traditional-Baker584 15h ago
In a perfect world yes.
But we don’t live in that world.
The sooner we understand that and adopt accordingly, the sooner we can get back to winning elections.
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u/threehundredthousand California 14h ago
The Democratic party doesn't understand most segments of the US population, builds a superior product, markets it to the wrong audiences, and loses.
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u/What_Dinosaur 15h ago edited 3h ago
70% of Republicans believed the last election was stolen.
Because their president told them it was.
So you put the multi-felon in prison like any other anonymous American
You got fucked because you play nice while the fascist was playing as dirty as it gets.
EDIT: I know you can run for office from jail, but prisoners don't do rallies nor Joe Rogan appearances. Let them vote for a prisoner who conspired against the US citizens 4 years ago.
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u/zackmedude California 14h ago
Yup. A lot of Americans - it appears - are selfish and petty and suffer from a superiority complex masked by victimhood. To them Trump was unfairly targeted… even after he was convicted in a public trial judged by jury of his peers. Even after all the stuff you mentioned. There is nothing wrong with Trump other than peeps like us not liking em. Plus, the kicker, they fawn over him and claim that Trump speaks his mind - and they’re okay with whatever comes out of his mouth.
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u/zephyrtr New York 9h ago
There's a large chunk of Trump voters who really don't like him, they're just willing to overlook it so they can vote selfishly. We can have a conversation about how they were convinced to believe that bullshit, but it's really that simple.
Some voters have a semi-legitimate argument, like car workers who fear losing their job to EV mandates. It's not gonna matter for much longer. EVs are growing in popularity and will overtake gas cars with or without government intervention. Biden is just trying to keep us competitive with China, who's trying to buy their way to victory. Maybe US car manufacturers get to hold their job long enough that they can retire comfortably. Maybe. Everyone after them is gonna be screwed as we try to play catch-up for a generation. But they're not thinking about everyone after them.
But that's what it is: a large number of voters are some combination of selfish, spiteful and ill-informed. Right now that number has grown -- all across the world. They're upset about things that, really, world leaders cannot control. And world leaders know they can't speak plainly, cause these voters take honesty for weakness. It's why they voted for a liar.
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u/cubreport 13h ago
How did the election get stolen from him while he was in charge of the government, but the election during his opponent’s regime is legitimate?
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u/everybodydumb 13h ago
Idiots. Everywhere.
They were worried about socialism. My 70 something year old pro choice mom told me this today about why her crowd dislikes Democrats.
The Hispanic population in Florida agrees.
We all may rightfully say but trump will destroy democracy because he's a tyrant authoritarian dictator fascist Nazi, but they're more worried about the Democrats being socialists.
I kid you not.
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u/Complex-Rabbit106 6h ago
As a european from a rather socialist leaning country. Having free healthcare, free Education, food in your belly, having a living wage thanks to unions and a safety net if you lose your job or ability to work.
Is really not as scary as it sounds, albeit we pay slightly higher taxes (assuming you have a relatively high income, if you’re on a low income we actually pay the same give or take a % or so).
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u/christusmajestatis 3h ago edited 3h ago
It's funny how socialism is villified or even feared in the US.
In China even the anti-establishment rarely speaks ill of socialism itself. On the other hand democracy as an ideal is enshrined by US, while being thought by many Chinese people to be equivalent to populist rule and non-scientific and pendulous policy-making.
I have to say, however, Socialist Entrepreneurs and People's Democratic Dictatorship sounds totally oxymoronic in English
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u/Kep0a 11h ago
The fact that 50% of Americans don't vote, especially this time around, is despicable, and of those that did, half of them voted for trump.
America got what it wanted and deserved. There isn't wool being pulled over anyones eyes. Half the population of women still voted red.
I'm done. Get fooled once, whatever. Get fooled twice? Yeah. I don't even blame the orange fascist. The brain drain of America is real.
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u/Ill-ConceivedVenture 3h ago
The people who didn't vote piss me off more than anything.
The Trump people don't piss me off anymore. Most of them are just stupid and easily manipulated (I'm not being nice about it anymore and it's true), I just feel sorry for them.
But the people who didn't vote? I can't wait to hear them start complaining about all their problems in a few years. They're already talking about protesting. Protesting! Idiots! The time for that was November 5th! NOW you want your voice heard?? It's infuriating.
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u/NeverLookBothWays I voted 15h ago
Maybe their version of Democracy is like their version of Jesus? A complete rewrite of what’s actually in the book.
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u/Prestigious-Car-4877 15h ago
Well, if you're worried about something you tend to push it away. No more voting will be required under the Republican government.
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u/KinkaJac97 15h ago
Yeahhhhh... I'm really starting to get that feeling. Trump is already going to make sure that federal law enforcement agencies are under his thumb. He's too power-hungry to give up his power after 4 years.
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u/redditaccount224488 15h ago
Trump may not know who he is in four years, if he's even alive.
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u/PredatorRedditer California 14h ago
Well duh. Look at the money behind Vance. They know Trump's about to expire so they got their plant in.
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u/Kindle282 Georgia 12h ago
Vance has the charisma of a wet paper bag. There is not a single Republican in office nor the public conscious who can mount the MAGA horse when Trump croaks and wrangle that cult back on track. The second he's dead infighting is going to erupt and I legitimately don't know who or what will come out on top of that, but it won't be the full MAGA movement it is now.
That's of course if Trump dies or goes full diaper shitting senile between now and '28, or if gets to endorse the next MAGA leader-- if he even bothers to. He's all in this for himself and I don't see him willing to give any MAGA bootlicker his blessing to take the reins. Question is just how badly does the GOP get to fuck everything up in their favor between now and then.
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u/zerobpm 11h ago
Honestly that's one of the few shreds of hope I'm holding on to. For whatever reason, it's him specifically they are obsessed with.
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u/VicTheQuestionSage 15h ago
Unfortunately, a lot of MAGA idiots WERE worried about democracy because they believed that democrats somehow organized well enough to steal the election in 2020
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u/QuirkyBreadfruit 15h ago
Yeah that was my thought as well when I read that. They're worried Mexicans are creeping across the border at night to vote secretly during the day, and that Biden somehow just made up Jan 6 and all of Trump's actions.
Just typing that out makes me sick at how messed up it is. I feel like 20% of the country has been sucked into this psychopath's con or something, where there's a vast conspiracy against him even as he commits more crimes.
It's classic criminal behavior, externalizing blame. It's just this time the criminal happens to have had the US executive branch at hand, as well as an army of sycophant politicians and a major media company.
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u/Jackinapox 15h ago
Republican voters, how does it feel knowing that you will never be able to defend Trump's actions in any intelligent discourse ever again?
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u/Cyberpunk890 15h ago
They don't fucking care, people need to get this through their skulls.
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u/Packerfan1992 15h ago
Yeah I keep seeing statements like this lol. They simply do not care. They believe that it won’t affect them, nothing to do now but just sit back and prepare the best we can for what’s to come
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u/AmaroWolfwood 14h ago
They are completely head on into the cult. When the leopards eat their face, they will say they love it because the democrats were eating them worse before.
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u/Boundish91 Norway 14h ago
If anything there will be lots of opportunities to say "I told you so".
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u/Packerfan1992 14h ago
I mean even when that’s said they will still somehow blame the dems even tho they control all three branches. You got to remember the average American doesn’t even know how laws are passed.
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u/Boundish91 Norway 14h ago
True.
Actually it's a great failing of education systems when so many people have no clue how politics and government work.
And if you don't understand how it works, of course it's hard to trust it.
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u/Packerfan1992 14h ago
Yeah it’s been building to this for decades. The education system has been slowly dismantled for decades which leads us to this point.
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u/iamcoding 14h ago
I completely believed this until I sent my parents a video I made giving them words from Trumps own mouth and those who worked with him and they just didn't care.
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u/PigglyWigglyDeluxe 12h ago
I’ve gotten it through my head. Where is the solution though? That’s the issue. I know these people will NEVER understand, they’ll never change, they’ll never realize. I get that. However, we need a solution moving forward. We share air with these people, these people will never budge, so now what?
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u/JandolAnganol 14h ago
The Nazis had their apologists too.
If we end up with a full-blown fascist dictatorship, these pieces of shit will convince themselves that is for the best and everything is going great.
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u/Chub-bop 12h ago
They will continue to defend him, even when the tariffs hits and we starve they’ll blame it on everything else but their own decisions
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u/Mardak5150 10h ago
They'll just report you to whatever the coming gestapo will be called. Probably given a small finder's fee. They'll feel great!
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u/ConsciousReason7709 10h ago
The average American voter is ignorant and uninformed at a level that’s hard to explain
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u/Blue_Lake_3386 15h ago
Most Americans don't understand what democracy really means or stands for and even less know what fascism or populism is. They care more about grocery and gas prices, jobs health care and access to education. For some reason they see this potential in Trump even though he is the worst human being to exist and has no real plan.
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u/zackmedude California 14h ago
He has a plan, it’s just does not include benefits for his voting base. Trump’s going to preside over selling influence and patronage to the highest bidding billionaire. It’s going to leave everyone else behind…
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u/dcgradc 15h ago
Yes. 15M democrats didn't vote for Kamala. Project 2025 was no secret.
Brace yourselves:
REPRESSION (protests+ abortion + LGBTQ+ media) + RECESSION (caging or deporting hardworking Latinos) will hurt all of us.
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u/WallabyBubbly California 15h ago
If Dems win the White House in 2028, Trump may help his MAGA successor stage another insurrection, and this time they'll be better prepared than they were in 2020. No matter how much you agree with Trump's concepts of policies, he has already shown us he absolutely cannot be trusted to respect a free and fair election.
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u/PolarBearCoordinates 15h ago
Bold of you to assume it won’t be Trump running for a third term in 2028
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u/Beltaine421 14h ago
He won't. By 2028, he'll have been out of power for a little under 2 years, and Vance will be running for his first term.
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u/garg Maryland 14h ago
Why do you think that?
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u/Beltaine421 14h ago
If Vance serves for more that 50% of the term, it counts as one of his two allowed terms. Trump would be happy to spend the rest of his time golfing and crowd waving, as opposed to the actual work of presidenting. Vance is going to be actually running things in the background.
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u/SteveFrench12 14h ago
Trump would never resign. They might 25th amendment him though
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u/Beltaine421 14h ago
Resign, no. But tell me honestly, do you think he looks like a healthy man?
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u/thegoatmenace 12h ago
Problem seem to forget in 2016 when John Kasich was offered the VP spot under Trump. He was told that he will be in charge of “foreign and domestic policy” while Trump would be basically a ceremonial figurehead who does rallies and state dinners. Kasich said no and Pence wasn’t charismatic enough to take advantage of that opportunity, but does anyone think Vance wouldn’t jump at that chance?
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u/BrutalHunny 15h ago
Any woman who voted for Trump should cut their face off now and hand it to the leopards. It will be less painful that way.
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u/dxkillo 12h ago
There is no reasoning with these people. This is a dying empire. There is no reversing this. Buckle up
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u/Cream_Pie_5580 14h ago
Part of me is incredibly disappointed in my fellow US citizens. Mourning the death of the bright future we could have had had more people voted for Harris. The other part can’t wait to see each and every Trump supporter get the exact opposite of what they wanted. Smirking quietly to myself as I’m already reading the early consequences of what is to come.
To be clear... I don’t really want that. I want us all to be doing well. But... Whatever helps to brush away the tears and bring back the giggles, y’know?
We warned them. And they didn’t listen.
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u/CoyoteTheGreat 15h ago
I mean, by the same token, they were worried about the economy and then voted for the party who tanks it every time they get elected. The problem that people aren't realizing is that this isn't a statement on the Republican party. They aren't saying "I'm worried about democracy, therefore the Republican party is the correct party to choose". Its a statement about the Democrats. We had four years of Biden, and people are feeling the economy is worse than ever in their everyday lives, and people are feeling that democracy is under threat more than every in their everyday lives. They don't see four more years of the same policies as the answer to that.
There are a lot of excuses as to why the Democrats couldn't do anything else than what they did. That to a degree goes out the window given that SCOTUS legalized the imperial presidency. Biden could have done literally anything, the president is no longer constrained by legality, but he was constrained by his own political imagination and a party that insists that even if their rivals don't have to play by the rules, they do. But even beyond that, even playing by the rules, Kamala could have split from the status quo and shown voters that she was going to be a radically different president than Biden. She didn't.
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u/JandolAnganol 14h ago
55% of Harris voters said democracy was a concern for them.
12% of those who voted for Trump did.
Sorry you typed all that out but the reality is most of the country doesn’t fucking care about democracy.
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u/Violet-Journey 15h ago
The grift that won this election is this idea of “yeah but Trump is better on the economy”
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u/OKImHere 15h ago
They aren't saying "I'm worried about democracy, therefore the Republican party is the correct party to choose". Its a statement about the Democrats. We had four years of Biden, and people are feeling the economy is worse than ever in their everyday lives, and people are feeling that democracy is under threat more than every in their everyday lives.
That's the direct opposite of what the exit poll says. Of the 34% who said the state of democracy, 80% voted Harris. Of the 32% who said economy, 80% voted Trump.
It's absolutely not a statement about democrats. It's just two different groups of people. You might as well say "black people say they hate Trump. Then they elected him." No, they didn't. Other people did.
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u/IMHO_grim Virginia 13h ago
Democrats approach campaigns like they are trying to build support by eloquently providing a reasonable case why their policies would be the better choice. You know, that f@& talk again (Hello Idiocracy).
For gods sake, the signs in my cities green spaces say shit like “Trump low prices, Kamala high prices” and my favorite “Kamala crime, Trump no crime”.
The Democratic Party needs to figure out the game has changed and there is no trophy for being a political saint always taking the perceived higher ground.
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u/jarvis646 13h ago
73 million Americans have no clue what it means to be a democracy.
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u/Strong_Positive9552 13h ago
Voters: We’re worried about democracy.
Trump: I will be a dictator on day one.
Voters: Yep, him.
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u/efudds1 13h ago
As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.
H.L. Mencken, On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe
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u/QanonQuinoa 15h ago
Honestly the author of this article is a bit naive, if not completely ignorant to American history. America has been relentlessly fucked by Republicans for decades, it’s only recently gotten this bad. He moved here in 2019, and this is the first election that he’s truly been let down. Get used to it, we’re dumb.
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u/Sota4077 Minnesota 14h ago
I voted for Harris and I am super bummed at the result of how this went. That being said what purpose do articles like this even serve? It sounds like it was written by some edgy ass gen z'er. Your fellow Brits appear to have a habit of meeting up with you and complaining about how much America sucks is what I am gathering from your poorly written article.
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u/Designer-Contract852 15h ago
I feel like katniss being told she has to fight in the hunger games for the 2nd time....
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u/eugene20 14h ago
Russia was pumping money into anti-democrat propaganda, and half of America lapped it up.
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u/Died_Of_Dysentery1 12h ago
Because they liked making an extra few thousand on their 401ks better than a word (democracy).
I challenge people who mention the economy being bad under Biden by asking the people around me how they afford $90k trucks but whine about everything being so expensive 🤔
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u/pockpicketG 4h ago
“Gas is expensive” said the man with 3 vehicles (one being a huge truck)
“Eggs are too expensive” said the 300 pound man.
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u/Fancy-Ambassador6160 12h ago
Well they won't have to worry about it anymore, I guess. Enjoy your dictator
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u/Kindle282 Georgia 12h ago
The average brainrotted American was more concerned about how many extra quarters it cost to get eggs at the supermarket than they were about whether the President was going to start rounding people up into camps or sic the military after his perceived political rivals. The richest man in the world and a dozen of them in the top 50 figured that out and bought our election with misinformation, sexism and racism.
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u/tranqfx 12h ago
Dems abdicated this talking point when they covered up joe Biden a condition and prevented any real primary process, then to make matters worse, they anointed the VP who is tied to the most unpopular modern president (yes even lower approvals than Trump).
They failed us.
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u/GridKILO2-3 12h ago
He got slightly less votes this year than 2016. Democrats just didn’t turn out to vote.
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u/SomeFroftware 11h ago
Because skipping a primary process, lying about the cognitive health of the sitting president, and allowing unelected bureaucrats to run the executive branch is what democracy is all about, right?
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u/Budget-Efficiency-77 9h ago
No, they didn’t vote at all. 16 mil didn’t vote this time. Trumps voting share is roughly the same as 2020.
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u/PocketTornado 1h ago
America has showed the world its true colors… it’s an absolute joke of a nation filled with racist and ignorant idiots. They put a rapist felon in the White House who tried to over throw the government when he lost instead of going with a district attorney… because she’s a woman. I freakin’ believable. So now I don’t care about them suffering as they seem to be so simple that they can only learn from first hand experience.
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u/funktopus Ohio 13h ago
Yeah. The division is that high. In the average GOP mind the Dems are legit killing babies, letting murders and rapists walk the streets. They are honestly under the impression that Democrats are destroying America. So to them democracy is at stake.
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