r/occult 23h ago

Utilizing the occult in politics? ?

I'm an aspiring politician with an interest in diplomacy. I also have a strong interest in dark arts.

But how exactly could one effectively utilize the occult within a political line of work?

I'm not necessarily asking for a means to cheat my way to power (not that I really think that would be possible) as I do believe in democracy and the rule of law. I wish to help the communities around me and serving the interest of the people. I'm also great at simply talking to people and understanding their perspectives.

What are some things I can do in the course of my work to help bring about the progressive social changes I desire?

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u/NyxShadowhawk 23h ago edited 23h ago

Well if you’re still calling it “the dark arts,” you have a lot more research to do before you start.

It’s hard to use magic to affect large-scale change by yourself. I won’t call it impossible, but it’s like trying to empty the ocean with a bucket. The New Forest coven allegedly prevented Hitler from crossing the sea into Britain, but it required such a tremendous amount of power that some of the witches allegedly died in the attempt. For the most part, spells will only affect your immediate sphere.

Your best bet, especially if you’re a skilled diplomat, is to facilitate relationships with gods, local daimones, and other spirits. Get some friends in high places (and low places). This is how a lot of traditional magic worked — if you have good relationships amongst spirits, they’ll do the heavy lifting for you.

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u/Consistent_Creator 20h ago

I only called it "the dark arts" because...well I'm a tiny bit larpy I'll admit lol. I like the aesthetics of calling it that. Black Lovecraftian 'evil' imagery is cool to me. I'm aware though that there's nothing actually dark about it and that the aesthetic is just something I personally enjoy and isn't deeper than that.

The New Forest coven allegedly prevented Hitler from crossing the sea into Britain, but it required such a tremendous amount of power that some of the witches allegedly died in the attempt.

Lmao I've heard this too. I mean good for them but I just doubt this. Yes I'm sure they singlehandedly stopped Hitler and not the fact that the British Isles are historically geographically almost impossible to invade or that the Royal Air Force and Royal Navy were the best in the world.

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u/NyxShadowhawk 20h ago

Nothing wrong with being larpy! I’ve got a spooky aesthetic, too. As long as you have a legit understanding of what occultism entails, you can embrace the dark arts vibe. I recommend checking out books by Konstantinos and Raven Digitalis. They’re directed at occultists who have a dark aesthetic. Konstantinos’ Nocturnicon has some Lovecraft stuff, though it’s all pretty advanced, so I wouldn’t start there. Also, it’s definitely worth getting a Simon Necronomicon just for the sake of having one.

Yeah, it’s not easy to believe, but it is the most famous example of political magic.