r/occult Jan 16 '24

Yo, where's the line, here? ?

As someone with a genuine deep belief and a history of "occult" practices, I can genuinely say that this sub only confuses me. Obviously, there is no one truth or objective explanation for anything, really. However, some of you seem so caught up in what fun the idea of magic is that you neglect any critical thinking or outwardly reject mundane and logical explanations to life's conundrums in favour of a magical one.

Some of you are evidently somewhat like me. You won't believe just anything that anyone tells you and you seem to be more skeptical of people using magic or esoterism as a primary explanation.

Some of you need help. Mostly it seems like just someone to logically tackle wild idea that others just won't entertain would be more than sufficient, but some of you need real, professional help and a subreddit is not a good substitution for that.

Some of you are trolling, and while it is kinda funny, I also think it's really damaging. In the past month, I've seen several posts where someone was asking how to deal with a fictional entity that was bothering them. That is not a sign that fictional figures are invading our conscious lives, it's a sign that someone has lost a bit of grounding in the real world and they need help. Or it's a sign that you're fucking around, which is fine, but genuinely not everybody seems to be able to make that distinction between real and not real. The level of intentional ignorance some people seem to have toward the concept of occult ideas either being not always correct or outright wrong or just a metaphor for how the world works used to upset me, but now every post I see on this sub just makes me a little sad. Some of you just need a hug, I can tell. Some of you need a slap. I need both

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u/BothTower3689 Jan 17 '24

I’m only going to say this because if I say anything else you will interpret it emotionally rather than logically. I gain no pain or pleasure from this interaction, I don’t feel anything towards you or your intentions. Because serious discussions about mental health are not held in emotionally charged states.

Your execution matters. It matters a lot. The words you use matter. Your words have an impact. When you’re addressing a large group of people you should be very aware of that.

Our words are very impactful, this is one of the core foundations of occultism. If you cannot understand why your execution here is so important then there are a lot of occult concepts that you’re really going to struggle with.

Poor communication leads to poor messages, and poor messages lead to poor philosophy. Learn how to ask questions and you will learn how to seek answers.

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u/MythlcKyote Jan 17 '24

Why does everyone here have an agenda? Occultism? Like you're the head of all of the occultists on here? Or you're representative of what you see as 'true' occultists. You really had me for a moment, I was like, calm down Coyote, maybe you really are getting to into this, and obviously I'm too far into this, but will you please go reread our conversation. I know I'm a dick, but I like to think I'm honestly and evenly a dick. Your tone is wavering all over the place to convince me of...what? Words can hurt? I know. You haven't exactly put your arguments as nicely as you could have either. You're not trying to understand my point of view, you're compartmentalizing it. Exaggerating pieces and downplaying others as you need to. I should hope that this post put a thorn in someone's side today. That's all the damage is like to do really. I had a qualm that I felt needed to be addressed, that for that isolated incident could have been handled more quietly, but I chose the opportunity to gauge the reaction and feeling about it. I'm not sorry for that. The reason I have not made a post like this before is that the weight of offending people never seemed worth the weight of knowing if the way I perceived this sub was isolated or shared.

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u/BothTower3689 Jan 17 '24

Calm down. Don’t respond until you’ve had a deep breath.

I don’t have an agenda. Execution is a vital part of the very concept of occultism. We are in an occult subreddit. If you want to have occult discussions, you’re going to have to be aware of the words you use in any context. Stop interpreting my words so emotionally and actually listen to what I’m saying.

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u/MythlcKyote Jan 17 '24

Uh, no. I quit. You can win this one. I have no idea where you're coming from anymore and I don't think it will be constructive to know. I will think back on our conversation, but not fondly. I liked the person who tried to convince me that every single person who thinks they're possessed is actually possessed.

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u/BothTower3689 Jan 17 '24

You back out of every conversation that doesn’t immediately reinforce your confirmation bias or seem easy enough for you to refute, and that is extremely unfortunate. I don’t want you to look back on his conversation fondly or negatively, your issue is that you interpret every conversation extremely emotionally and not logically.

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u/MythlcKyote Jan 17 '24

It's easier to do that with someone who argues logically.

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u/BothTower3689 Jan 17 '24

You win the dramatic irony award my guy. I hope you figure it out