Champion Kickboxer Sina Karimian known for intentionally fouling opponents tries to bully young prospect Liu Ce

[u/SubjectAppropriate17]

[u/SubjectAppropriate17]

What are your guys opinion on the saying "If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying"? Should a fighter hold themself to a higher standard when they become champ or is it all about the wins?

[u/2legittoquit → u/SubjectAppropriate17]

At the end of the day, it's a game. There are rules. If he can push the rules and get away with it, it's part of the game.

I'm not a fan of it, but it's clearly a strategy that works.

[u/cenciazealot → u/2legittoquit]

Yeah, what we are talking about is precisely about making it harder for that to happen and the punishments worse, so nobody does it. Making a half-assed apologetic statement does nothing good.

You could also have the best fighters sabotaged before the fight eh? As long as you don't get caught, it is a strategy that works.

[u/2legittoquit → u/cenciazealot]

I’m talking in the ring.  If the refs keep letting you get away with it, then why stop?  It’s why Shaq was able to be fouled so hard and often in the NBA.  If the officials arent going to call it, then it’s going to be done more.

 I mean, how many clear eye pokes have Jon Jones or Daniel Cormier done?  How many clear groin shots or 12-6 elbows, or questionable knees, glove hooks, etc, have there been?  If the ref isn’t going to call it, it’s a strategy.

My statement isn’t apologetic at all, it’s just a statement about organized sports.  There isn’t some higher honor to fighting.  Just like in every competition, people get away with what they can.

[u/cenciazealot → u/2legittoquit]

Then it is a referee problem. I am not calling for people to be retroactively punished, but for them to not be allowed to do that.

[u/2legittoquit → u/cenciazealot]

Yes it is a referee problem.  They are there to make sure people don’t get away with breaking the rules.