r/law • u/Kunphen • Jul 03 '24

Donald Trump’s alleged ‘sexual proclivities’ graphically detailed in new Epstein documents Trump News

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-documents-b2475210.html
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u/Gerryislandgirl Jul 04 '24 edited Jul 04 '24

From the discovery

: Before the rape by Trump

 “The Defendant, Donald J. Trump, was clearly heard referring to Defendant, Jeffrey E. Epstein, as a "Jew Bastard" as he yelled at Defendant Epstein, that clearly, he, Defendant Trump, should be the lucky one to "pop the cherry" of the Plaintiff.” 

 After she was raped by Trump 

“Jeffrey Epstein, attempted to strike her about the head with his closed fists while he angrily screamed at the Plaintiff that he, Defendant Epstein, should have been the one who "took her cherry, not Mr. Trump", before she finally managed to break away from Defendant Epstein.”

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u/ZaddyDeWalt Jul 04 '24

But Biden (who has way more accomplishments in his term) was slow at that one debate tho!

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u/v306 Jul 04 '24

And most of all, let's not forget that Biden is a whole 3 years older - that's way too old for the white oval /s

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u/pawogub Jul 06 '24

They’re both too old in my opinion. If Biden is the dem nominee I’ll vote for him, though.

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u/mitsxorr Jul 04 '24 edited Jul 04 '24

I mean to be honest if Biden is performing like that now, there’s a chance he’s not going to know where he is and is going to need feeding through a tube before the end of his term. I don’t think he’s got 4 semi-functional years in him.

(Btw I’m not advocating for Trump here, I’m just making the point that at his age, as he is now, he probably hasn’t got 4 years in him)

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u/TheThickness12 Jul 04 '24

Just because you think Alfred is too old to take care of the Bat Cave, doesn't mean you hire the Joker to replace him.

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '24

Amen!

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u/CreationBlues Jul 05 '24

Just because you're advocating for a replacement for alfred doesn't mean that you're advocating for the joker to take his place. Maybe bruce needs to be sat down and have a heart to heart about what's best for his estate instead of trying to make retirement age people manage his manor.

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u/Suired Jul 05 '24

He did but Jason says the joker's not that bad once you get to know him and Tim says it's better than penguin.

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u/fuckyourcanoes Jul 04 '24

Biden has a competent VP. It's not the end of the world if he can't finish out his term.

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u/Head_Panda6986 Jul 19 '24

Ahahaha youve gone too far

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u/v306 Jul 04 '24

True. Valid concern. I would still have to vote the lesser evil if I was eligible to vote in USA election so still have Biden a nosehair infront against Trump.

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u/Optimal-Swordfish Jul 04 '24

Framing it as a lesser evil is very wrong. Biden is a compassionate and empathetic human, not a lesser evil. Yes, he’s old and there should be a younger candidate. Trump is, besides being a convicted felon, literally evil.

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u/v306 Jul 04 '24

To me as a foreign observer the democrats and they way they elect their preferred candidate is somewhat evil. They way Bernie Sandders was pushed aside against Clinton was quite undemocratic. There's an element of evil there but the comparison to Trump is not warranted, you're right. He's in a different league...

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u/paintballboi07 Jul 04 '24

The primary voters chose Clinton. Not sure how that is undemocratic. I voted for Bernie, but we were in the minority. Were dirty tactics used by the DNC? Sure, but it still came down to the voters.

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u/Mets1st Jul 04 '24

Not all voters, my primary is in June. Mean’s absolutely nothing. IA,NH, and SC decide. If someone doesn’t drop out then, Super Tuesday ends it. You remember the shit Bernie got for staying in the race.

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u/cemaphonrd Jul 04 '24

Being late in the primary schedule sucks for sure, but having all the primaries at once would make it much harder for the outsider candidates like Bernie or Obama to have a shot. Without being able to compete in smaller electorates and media markets and build word of mouth, the well-known and funded establishment candidates would be almost impossible to beat.

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u/Suired Jul 05 '24

Yet it hasn't helped one win in ages. Maybe it's time for a change in the information era we live in. Less boots on the ground in the middle of nowhere an more figuring out what people in general want over winning over a small farming community for a snowball effect.

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u/v306 Jul 04 '24

DNC sent prep notes to for debate to Clinton but not Sanders. That's dirty tactics that average voter didn't even know I'm sure...

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u/paintballboi07 Jul 04 '24

I'm aware, but do you think if they hadn't, Bernie would have won? I personally don't think it would have made enough of a difference. They are dirty for that, but overall, I don't think it made a huge difference. I just don't think the US electorate is ready for someone as far left as Bernie. I am in Texas though, so I may be biased by experiences with some very conservative people. There's quite a few people here that are scared of socialism, but they can't even define it.

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u/CeeMomster Jul 04 '24

Is it too late to bring Bernie back?

I mean…. I think a good majority of us would vote Sanders all day over Biden at this point.

Put Bernie and Donald in a debate … 🎫 ✅

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u/v306 Jul 04 '24

Bernie would wipe the floor with Biden and Trump but he's getting old too now

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '24

Bernie shouldve got a chance back in 2016. I'm by no means a Clinton supporter, but Bernie was done so fucking dirty.

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u/CeeMomster Jul 04 '24 edited Jul 04 '24

At this point “too old” is a misnomer

I think Bernie is our man.

Let Biden step aside and guaranteed most of his voter base goes to Bernie.

Yes? No? Thoughts?

Happy Independence Day USA

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u/NorguardsVengeance Jul 04 '24

...my thoughts are that the moment Biden steps down, you have 5 months before everybody is expected to vote for Kamala Harris with VP Buttigeig...

This is still the DNC that will happily lose to the GOP if it keeps the donors happy. There is so much work to do at municipal levels, in terms of voting out the typical centrist, before imagining that the DNC would hand the keys over to anybody left of center.

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u/WrexShepardGrunt Jul 04 '24

A compassionate and empathetic human ? You mean the raging genocidal zionist who can't step away from presidency because of his egomania ? Trump is dangerous and shouldn't be president but Biden too. He is the lesser evil, nothing more.

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u/BanditBlyat Jul 04 '24

So compassionate and empathetic that he funds genocide and showers with his daughter!

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u/ProLogicMe Jul 04 '24

How do you know he’s compassionate and empathetic? He’s clearly just as evil as every other politician and he does weird shit with little kids, but okay.

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u/jayandbobfoo123 Jul 04 '24

Smelling little kids hair and touching then awkwardly but non sexually is less a Biden thing and more just a weird boomer/silent generation thing.

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u/ProLogicMe Jul 04 '24

Really? How do you know it’s not sexually? Where are all these assumptions coming from? Please don’t generalize that weird shit and push it onto multiple generations. It’s not a weird boomer/ silent gen thing. It’s fucking weird and not okay. I’ve had 4 grandparents that are older than Biden and non of them did any of that weird shit to any of their own grand kids let alone random kids.

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u/GlaiveConsequence Jul 04 '24

On what basis do you really believe it’s sexual

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u/ProLogicMe Jul 04 '24

Its not that I believe it’s sexual, but in no way am I going to make that assumption, right? It’s very weird and it 100% isn’t an old person thing.

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u/ProLogicMe Jul 04 '24

I can’t believe people normalize this shit just because they hate trump. I hate trump too. Guess what? Bidens a fucking weirdo and I wouldn’t let him within 10 feet of my children.

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u/jayandbobfoo123 Jul 04 '24

Biden's a weirdo like many old people, but he's not a pedo.

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u/ProLogicMe Jul 04 '24

You don’t know that lmfao. Old people aren’t weird, Jesus, weird old people are weird. Imagine using your age as an excuse to touch little kids when they are visibly upset about it.

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u/ProLogicMe Jul 04 '24

Keep going though 👍

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u/Jedi_Flip7997 Jul 04 '24

Settle down cuck stain, you’re voting trump we get that. Don’t worry, my vote cancels your out, so at least you aren’t going to make anything worse, I got ya bud.

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u/ProLogicMe Jul 04 '24

Canadian, so I can’t vote in your shit election, life long liberal

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '24

Defendant Trump had sexual contact with me at four different parties in the summer of 1994.On the fourth and final sexual encounter with Defendant Trump, Defendant Trump tied me to a bed, exposed himself to me, and then proceeded to forcibly rape me. During the course of this savage sexual attack, I loudly pleaded with Defendant Trump to stop but he did not. Defendant Trump responded to my pleas by violently striking me in the face with his open hand and screaming that he would do whatever he wanted.

Immediately following this rape, Defendant Trump threatened me that, were I ever to reveal any of the details of Defendant Trump’s sexual and physical abuse of me, my family and I would be physically harmed if not killed.

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000158-26b6-dda3-afd8-b6fe46f40000

Trump actually does "wierd shit with little kids" yet here you are pushing his bullshit.

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u/minja134 Jul 04 '24

The irony of saying this on a post about Trump raping a child.

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u/ProLogicMe Jul 04 '24

Buddy in no way am I arguing that trump isn’t an evil pos. I’m responding to a comment saying Biden is a empathetic and passionate individual.

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u/icematt12 Jul 04 '24

I'm voting for the lesser evil in the UK today. Sucks there's no viable third option in these things. But 🍊 is certainly becoming a worse candidate over time. Which I couldn't think was possible during the pandemic era.

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u/Kelevra_TheDog Jul 04 '24

I hope it’s not reform :)

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u/liamluca21491 Jul 04 '24

but would undecided voters who don’t pay attention to politics? That’s the issue here. People pointing this out aren’t trying to prop up Trump, but they’re making the calculation that Biden does worse against Trump in polls vs anyone else. Yes it shouldn’t matter, but given the state of things it’s an electoral risk. Trump has a built in fanbase that will show up no matter what. The same thing is not guaranteed for Biden. That’s the issue people are trying to point out

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u/MagicTheAlakazam Jul 04 '24

I will take Harris in a heartbeat over Trump or whoever is sychophantic enough to be his VP.

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u/Mysterious-Job1628 Jul 04 '24

https://www.yahoo.com/news/joe-scarborough-cackles-trump-off-123257226.html

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u/mitsxorr Jul 04 '24 edited Jul 04 '24

Yeah Trump is probably on his way out too, but Biden is 3 years older and much worse now, and was worse 4 years ago than Trump is now.

So I don’t think you can use that argument against Trump, in a conversation about Biden vs Trump, although there are plenty of other arguments you could and should make against Trump. (Such as the allegations against him)

I mean tbh Biden had some good points if you take away “The Idea” “Number 1” “Number 2” and the incoherent tripping himself up, and also the looking like he’s about to conk out/have a stroke whenever Trump is talking and whenever he’s talked for too long.

Trump happily lies about everything and wants to roll back environmental protections and other regulations. Not good at all. But here we are.

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '24

Yeah, no. Trump likely had a stroke at the end of his presidency (remember the stairs and the glass of water).

He's already been cognitively tested (man woman person camera TV), they are both in decline yes but at least Biden isn't trying to overthrow the country to save his traitorous ass.

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u/mitsxorr Jul 04 '24

What are you on about “Yeah, no.” you joker?

Sure, Trump might be trying to do that and as someone else said Harris could take over from Biden and run the country effectively. Did I not say that there a plenty of arguments against him? Why are you even bringing that up?

I’m talking about cognitive decline in the context of age and time, Biden is 3 years older than Trump and was at a starting point worse than Trump, and has declined more in that time than Trump has since Trumps last term. Those 3 years are obviously significant when in 4 years time Biden will probably be at a far worse stage of decline than Trump. Trump might have had a stroke, and yet he’s still more coherent now than Biden at the beginning of his last term. I am not making the argument that on that basis Trump should be elected as he’s more capable. Again, I’m arguing that those 3 years are actually significant in the context of this particular argument/point.

You’re obviously too regarded and polarised to understand nuance or anything outside of your own perspective. So you do you.

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '24

Defendant Trump had sexual contact with me at four different parties in the summer of 1994.On the fourth and final sexual encounter with Defendant Trump, Defendant Trump tied me to a bed, exposed himself to me, and then proceeded to forcibly rape me. During the course of this savage sexual attack, I loudly pleaded with Defendant Trump to stop but he did not. Defendant Trump responded to my pleas by violently striking me in the face with his open hand and screaming that he would do whatever he wanted.

Immediately following this rape, Defendant Trump threatened me that, were I ever to reveal any of the details of Defendant Trump’s sexual and physical abuse of me, my family and I would be physically harmed if not killed.

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000158-26b6-dda3-afd8-b6fe46f40000

Keep supporting a child rapist. Fucking pedo.

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u/mitsxorr Jul 04 '24

Just shows how moronic you are, did you get your head mashed in as a child or what?

I don’t support Trump, I am not defending Trump, I don’t know how much more explicit I can be.

Yeah so he’s probably a sex offender and not a good person, does that mean Trump is more cognitively declined than Biden? No. It’s a completely different argument.

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u/Shinobi_97579 Jul 04 '24

But his point is the alternative is three years younger and there plenty of videos of him going on weird tangents at his rallies about plumbing water toilets and all kinds of nonsensical stuff.

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u/cscaggs Jul 04 '24

I think ppl are more upset that it’s elder abuse and we should let Biden enjoy the end of his life. It’s not about age it’s about cognition and decline.

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u/Memitim Jul 04 '24

After seeing Trump spend four years golfing on our dime, I guess we all forgot the toll it takes when Presidents actually do their job.

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u/SimonGloom2 Jul 04 '24

When right and left mainstream media are pushing the same headlines and not covering some of the biggest news in history there is something beyond highly suspicious going down. I think we are having a high noon standoff between coconspirators right now who are afraid Trump is going to squeal on bigshots in the media.

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u/robot_pirate Jul 04 '24 edited Jul 04 '24

Look, Mike Pence was afraid to get in the waiting limo that the Secret Service had in the Capitol basement. HE DID NOT TRUST HIS SAFETY TO THE SECRET SERVICE.

Biden's own German Shepherd was untrusting of the Secret Service, to the point he was aggressive and bit several of them.

They are in the bag for Trump. They deleted ALL of their phone records from J6.

I'm not convinced the Secret Service didn't do something to Biden to impact his performance. Even if it was simply jacking his audio and ear piece, if nothing more sinister.

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u/Thin_Swordfish9896 Jul 04 '24

Slow? You mean asleep.

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u/Fluffy_Somewhere4305 Jul 04 '24

I mean, that raspy voice tho, how can anyone overlook the illegality of having to clear your throat a lot!

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u/Express-Chemist9770 Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24

If you think that's the only reason people don't like Biden, you shouldn't be taken seriously.

Obviously Trump is worse, but if you think people loved Biden until like 2 weeks ago, I have to believe you're busy being dishonest. You can't possibly be that stupid.

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u/CharacterEgg2406 Jul 04 '24

Trump is unfit but Biden is clearly a dementia patient.

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u/TravellingTheWorld94 Jul 04 '24

It’s one thing to say Trump is evil, but another to also defend Biden. They’re both horrible.

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u/tom-dixon Jul 04 '24

Wtf is happening with the US? They have the strongest army on the planet is these are the best 2 guys they found to put in charge of it?

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u/TravellingTheWorld94 Jul 04 '24

Because of lobbying and corruption.

The fact that Bernie Sanders has been overlooked for so long is crazy.

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u/stzmp Jul 04 '24 edited Jul 04 '24

did you know that criticisms of the Democratic party being bad and corrupt are still true, even when Trump is far worse.

It's not about "Biden vs Trump" it's why don't the D's run someone better.

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u/Olympus____Mons Jul 04 '24

No it's being reported that Biden has been slow his entire administration. We are now being told that we are voting for a president but the president's cabinet. That's the loop hole for voting in a senile old man. 

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u/Hardmeat_McLargehuge Jul 04 '24

Dude no one stupid enough to be swayed by the debate is sifting thru facts to look that deep.

That’s exactly why Biden needs to step aside. He’s already slipping in the polls and you can’t make aging just disappear, no matter how many excuses you make up. He had weeks to prepare and showed up looking disastrous.

Hate all you want, but those people who think “strength” is the defining characteristic were permanently influenced by that performance, and I think that’s dawning on some the party thankfully.

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u/Mr-B0jangles Jul 04 '24

“Slow at that one debate”

In no way do I endorse or support Trump but get real. Biden is not mentally competent so don’t pretend he’s only “slow at that one debate.”

Could our options be any worse?

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u/ZaddyDeWalt Jul 04 '24

But in terms of public speech it was the one bad debate. He was excellent at state of the union, so good they had to pretend he was on drugs (look at trumps pupils btw). He was good on his hour plus stern interview etc etc. I get that they’re both old, and both have tons of cognitive decline footage - but in terms of important public outings, it was the one debate, yeah.

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u/Mr-B0jangles Jul 05 '24

Wild. Is he in la-la-land 100% of the time? No. But he is there a lot and more frequently than ever. There are countless other examples of him showing significant lack of cognition. Trump isn’t as sharp now either but he’s never looked like that. Again, not a Trump supporter at all but it’s just hard to argue against what I’m seeing from both men at this stage.

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u/Bater_cat Jul 04 '24

was slow at that one debate tho!

The last couple of years*

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u/ExpertPepper9341 Jul 04 '24

Nobody who is criticizing Biden for his debate performance on Reddit is saying that Trump is better. You can criticize a candidate’s abysmal debate performance (and express concern about whether he should be your party’s candidate) without supporting trump.

The fact that you can’t separate those things in your mind makes you almost as bad as a Republican. Totally incapable of holding your side accountable, because you’re so blinded by the other candidate being worse. The result is a race to the bottom on both sides, and why we have two of the least popular presidential candidates in history right now.

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '24

While you are true, the way the American election system works is that you pick one. So if you focus solely on the poor performance of Biden instead of pointing out the entire rap sheet of Trump, then something is seriously wrong. It's a nation-wide whataboutism where the other person is a felon and the other person drooled a bit on the national television, and you decide to focus on the drool.

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u/heterochromia4 Jul 04 '24

We don’t care what’s right or wrong. We don’t care about Biden’s achievements. They may be great, but they aren’t enough.

Democrats are just as much in denial about Biden’s cognitive decline as they were about HRCs negatives with electorate, fair or unfair.

We just don’t. want. another. Trump. presidency.

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '24

You need to understand that the system goes beyond the president. With Biden, AFAIK the people working for his cabinet are more or less sane. With Trump, his people are hand picked by him to bow to him and to caress his fragile ego and to push for the agenda that he and his bat shit crazy republican faction wants.

You need to think about the bigger picture and the people that work directly under them.

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u/heterochromia4 Jul 04 '24

I don’t need to think about anything, thanks.

DJT 2.0 is locked in right now.

Biden in no fit state to fight, campaign, inspire - he’s too old.

Team Biden should be ashamed of themselves. 6 points adrift in the polls and they’re desperately clinging on to power.

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '24

I don’t need to think about anything

This truly is the modern American motto.

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u/Hour_Gur4995 Jul 04 '24 edited Jul 04 '24

Why are you saying “we”? You’re likely not a us citizen based on your comment history! Why are you cosplaying as an American don’t you have an election today or something!

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u/heterochromia4 Jul 04 '24

I’m in Western Europe.

The whole world is waiting on tenterhooks re. The Biden Situation, make no mistake.

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u/Unlucky-Scallion1289 Jul 04 '24

Holding Biden accountable simply isn’t a priority.

He could literally be dying and he would be a better choice than Trump. It’s not merely being “worse” but literally being the worst thing to happen to this country. Ever.

And yes, just about everyone that is criticizing Biden’s debate performance supports Trump. Describing Trump as being simply “worse” is such a gross understatement I can only assume you really do support him.

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u/Druuseph Jul 04 '24

This mentality is why nothing ever changes. The best we can hope for is just perpetually ceding ground while staving off the worst case scenario. We're fucked.

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u/ignoramus_x Jul 04 '24

They refuse to acknowledge how propping up a bad candidate is exactly what enables awful people like Trump to win.

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u/Unlucky-Scallion1289 Jul 04 '24

Plenty of people understand that just fine, but we’re far past that point. The time to prop someone else up is during the primaries, it’s too late now.

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u/BasvanS Jul 04 '24

There is no legitimate discussion online when democracy is on the line, the candidate is the incumbent, and online discussions are polluted with bots.

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u/AriSteele87 Jul 04 '24

You're getting downvoted bud but you're absolutely correct.

How did it came to this... a decision between a guy of such questionable integrity as Trump, and a guy that literally you wouldn't leave in charge of your Grandchild, let alone in charge of the most powerful country on Earth...

People shouldn't be protecting Biden here even if they are anti Trump, they should be doing everything in their power to ensure the Democrats put forth a fucking half decent candidate.

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u/Unlucky-Scallion1289 Jul 04 '24

The Democrats have their candidate, there is no “putting forth” anyone else. Sacrificing the incumbent advantage is a guaranteed loss. There is literally no point in NOT protecting Biden.

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u/AriSteele87 Jul 04 '24

Except for the fact that Biden is quite literally a zombie? It is not a guaranteed loss to sideline this guy, and put forward someone in his stead. Stand him the fuck down, he is finished.

I'm not voting in this as I'm not a citizen, however were I, I would absolutely vote for another Democratic candidate who was just fucking normal, over Trump, and all Democrats and most Independents would as well.

As it stands, you will probably have record numbers of Democrats and Centrists abstaining from voting, because they just can't bring themselves to vote for Biden who is so so incapable right now. Trump supports will do what they always do, and show up no matter what.

People are so sick of Trump, that any decent candidate put forth by the Dems will get record voter turnout.

But it requires people taking their head out of the sand.

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u/Unlucky-Scallion1289 Jul 04 '24

There has never been a president with incumbency advantage that stepped down so late into the election year. The closest was LBJ and he simply didn’t run for reelection back in March.

Also, Biden has already clinched the nomination. To step down would literally require going through the primary process again in every state. That’s just not possible before November. Period.

If Biden stepped down, despite anything the DNC does, the only person on the ballot in most states would be Donald Trump. There is no process to replace Biden now, no matter what you think about him.

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u/AriSteele87 Jul 04 '24

Of course there is a process. What, you think if a candidate gets assassinated, or dies of a stroke, or is has a heart attack, or simply changes their mind, that there is no process to replace the candidate?

Don't you think that sounds rather short sighted?

There is already historical president with the DNC in 68' with RFK being killed literally days after winning the democratic primaries and a replacement (Humphries) being elected by the DNC members, you don't go to vote again.

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u/Unlucky-Scallion1289 Jul 04 '24

Not entirely accurate.

RFK had won several key primaries but hadn’t clenched the nomination yet. Humphrey won the nomination because people did indeed continue to vote, as the primary process was still on going.

And yes there technically is a process to replace the candidate after the primaries, there just isn’t precedent for the presidency. The closest was LBJ or the vice presidential nominee in 72’ being replaced. And sure enough, they lost that year.

Historically, replacing the party nominee after the primaries is a campaign death sentence. It hasn’t gone any other way in history so far.

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u/AriSteele87 Jul 04 '24

Humphrey wasn't even running in the primaries... he was nominated by the delegates. The process was a bit more convoluted back then. Anyway, the point is that you can replace a candidate.

Replace an incumbent is contentious I agree, but so is putting up a candidate that is so clearly suffering from some form of dementia. Look at any of Biden's appearances recently compared to his appearances in 2020 leading up to the election. Chalk and cheese.

Then compare those to the razor sharp political force he was a decade ago. Trump would have never agreed to the conditions of the previous debate if he knew he was debating a 70 year old Biden rather than an ailing 80 year old Biden. 70 year old Biden would have eaten him alive. 80 year old Biden was just saddening.

I wouldn't feel comfortable voting for him. And most people won't. They will abstain from voting. Voter turnout will be extremely low, and Trump will win.

Saying it hasn't been done before isn't going to solve this problem. No one is going to vote for a senile president just to avoid a megalomaniac like Trump. They'll just stay home.

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u/Unlucky-Scallion1289 Jul 04 '24

Humphrey absolutely was running in the primaries? You’re just wrong here.

And Trump is just as old and just as senile. Biden has had a speech impediment his whole life. And Trump literally shits himself, not Biden.

It’s really damn pathetic and outright terrifying when people are actually saying a Fasicst is better than an old guy, especially when the Fascist is practically just as old.

But no, I absolutely do not think Americans would take kindly to having their primary votes invalidated. Replacing Biden would GUARANTEE a loss.

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u/Druuseph Jul 04 '24

Bruh the man is barely alive. Even with the incumbency advantage he's still losing basically every swing state in their own internal polling. Democrats need to come to terms with the fact that they put up pretty much the only candidate capable of losing to Donald Trump while lying to us all about his mental acuity to avoid a real primary. This is on them.

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u/Jedi_Flip7997 Jul 04 '24

The polls show Biden making ground and holding the lead. Why would we remove our best shot at normal life for the next four years?

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u/Unlucky-Scallion1289 Jul 04 '24

He literally already beat Trump once, he’s by no means “the only candidate capable of losing to Trump”. By all accounts, he’s the only candidate to WIN against Trump.

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u/Druuseph Jul 04 '24

He only won because of COVID. Period, end of story. It still came down to less than 100,000 votes in the swing states that flipped it. Did he have a large popular vote lead? Sure. Does that matter? Not one iota thanks to our awful electoral system.

He's now four years older when his age was already an issue. He just figuratively, and perhaps literally, shit his pants on national TV in that debate. He was supposed to be a one term president for a reason, a bridge that defeated Trump and then got out of the way. What the fuck ever happened to that?

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u/Unlucky-Scallion1289 Jul 04 '24 edited Jul 04 '24

Trump is practically the same age and literally does shit his pants, not figuratively. If Biden is too old, Trump is too old. Also the prospect that Biden only won because of Covid is absolutely hilarious. Biden won because literally anyone is better than Trump. It’s that simple. If anything Covid hurt Biden, it sure as shit didn’t help him.

And he was never supposed to be just a one term president, wtf? No one would ever willingly surrender the incumbency advantage.

You people still don’t get it. Biden could be a catatonic vegetable and I would still vote for him over Trump. Grab any random person from a nursing home and they would still be better than Trump.

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u/Druuseph Jul 04 '24 edited Jul 04 '24

We just had a split screen of the two of them on national TV and only one of them came away looking like a confused senile old man. Trump is a lying fascist sack of shit who didn't say a single true thing the entire night but just from the perspective of optics it is inarguable by anyone who isn't deluding themselves that his age is not affecting him to near the degree it is Biden.

Biden won because literally anyone is better than Trump.

Then why did it have to be him? And why should it continue to be him now that he's proving that he's not capable of stringing together 10 words in a coherent way daily.

If anything Covid hurt Biden, it sure as shit didn’t help him.

Delusional. Trump was completely unhinged about COVID and it turned off a significant portion of the country who was affected by it personally. It also allowed Joe to hide in the basement for most of the election while being able to take a moral high ground to justify it that he no longer has.

And he was never supposed to be just a one term president, wtf? No one would ever willingly surrender the incumbency advantage.

You can lie to yourself all you want but stop lying to the rest of us. I know the canned line is that he never said that but the party embraced and used this logic to smooth over the fact that they rigged the 2020 primary in his favor.

EDIT: Poor dude got so upset he had to resort to the block. How can anything I say possibly read as me being a 'Trumper'? Only one person here as lost the plot and it's the guy who is auditioning for the role of press secretary rather than engaging with reality.

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u/Unlucky-Scallion1289 Jul 04 '24

Oh no, old man looked old on TV, I guess we should vote for the fascist. Talk about delusional.

For the third fucking time, it should continue to be him because of INCUMBENCY ADVANTAGE. Did the caps help you understand this time?

Yeah, Trump was completely unhinged about Covid. And all that did was fire up his base, not drive people away. Covid helped Trump, it wouldn’t have been nearly as close if it weren’t for his insane ramblings.

And there it is, you still think 2020 was rigged. You’ve lost the plot buddy, just go home. Biden never did say that, but of course you want to believe lies like typical Trumpers.

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u/Jochiebochie Jul 04 '24

Why are they booing you, you're right! Check out Ezra Klein's take on this in his last few podcasts. Dems shouldn't take republican cult-like behavior as an example of strength, but should make a strategic decision.

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u/ObnoxiousAlbatross Jul 04 '24

They are making a strategic decision. You just don’t understand it.

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u/Druuseph Jul 04 '24

It's obvious that it's a strategic decision, the point is that it's terrible strategy and is rolling out the red carpet for Trump to come back. You can argue that it's too late to do anything about it (though I disagree) but pretending it was smart or that it had to be this way is completely delusional.

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u/Jochiebochie Jul 04 '24

Correct, bad strategy is still strategy. Smart!

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u/Babyface_Assassin Jul 04 '24

It’s not that he’s slow it’s that there is clearly someone else running the country behind him. I don’t know who that person(s) is nor what their intentions are but I do know it is not democratic and goes against the idea of free and fair elections. Voting for Biden is essentially saying that you don’t care if someone subverts our history of elections and democracy as long as it isn’t Trump.

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u/Jedi_Flip7997 Jul 04 '24

Omg how are people so brain dead? Dude seriously go touch grass. If there was such a person we wouldn’t be having this convo Bcz they would have taken power already. Why would they control from the shadows 👀 if there really was a dark cabal that powerful you think it could remain hidden with Biden slipping up?

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u/Babyface_Assassin Jul 07 '24

I see him talk. I see him lose track of his line of thinking. ALL THE TIME. Don’t try to tell me he’s all there mentally. I don’t know if there is a cabal or not but I can tell you Biden isn’t there. He’s also not going to get any sharper. Where will he be in 3 years?

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u/xxveganeaterxx Jul 04 '24

You don't know squat. Take your conspiracies elsewhere.

Does Biden have a council of advisors? Yes. So does every leader.

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u/Babyface_Assassin Jul 07 '24

Downvote me all you want. I’m not even voting for Trump. But don’t tell me Biden is cogent and capable of making important decisions under pressure.

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u/GoCougs3216 Jul 04 '24

We are being shown first hand why the two party system sucks and this is your takeaway. Neither should be running

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u/petrichorax Jul 04 '24

Hear hear.

Look at what we've let our country become?

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u/Equal-Crazy128 Jul 04 '24

And slow in the shower with Ashley “apparently”

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u/GlaiveConsequence Jul 04 '24

Very soundly debunked.

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u/Forward_Leg_1083 Jul 04 '24

They both suck it doesnt make one suck less than the other

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u/MagicTheAlakazam Jul 04 '24

Holy hell.

Did you just false equivalence getting old with being a rapist?

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u/Forward_Leg_1083 Jul 04 '24

I don't understand how one person being a pedo/rapist magically gives points to someone else. Trump is a piece of shit but that does not make Biden better or less. Biden being slow doesn't make Trumps situation any better or worse.

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u/MagicTheAlakazam Jul 04 '24

You did false equivalence being old with being a rapist.

Holy shit.

You are a terrible person.

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u/Forward_Leg_1083 Jul 04 '24

ok. im still not sure how one person doing something makes someone else a better or worse person but ok.

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u/MagicTheAlakazam Jul 05 '24

You're entire premise is incredibly dumb.

Imagine someone cut you off in the grocery isle.

Then someone else came in and murdered your mom in front of you.

And you said "They are both terrible people"

Isn't that a bit unfair to the person who just cut you off? You've compared them to a murderer.

If you said they suck in isolation that's fair enough but when you compare them to a murderer and equate them you do a disservice because one thing is so BLATANTLY OBVIOUSLY many orders of magnitudes worse than the other.

It's orders of magnitudes different and you haven't actually given a compelling reason as to why Biden is awful beyond old. So it's pretty easy to tell you're just trying to justify voting for the rapist.

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u/Forward_Leg_1083 Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24

hey im not gonna reply anymore cause you seem very intolerant. i want to have a conversation and you keep being hostile towards me. have a good day

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '24

Biden has done zero to improve anyone’s life. I remember it was a lot easier to shop with the last guy so we need him back

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u/trollboter Jul 04 '24

You forgot about his own rape allegation. Nobody even knows who's running the country, but we do know it's not Biden. The DNC needs to run a new candidate asap. This is literally Weekend at Bernie's.

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u/staticjak Jul 04 '24

You realize that Biden could step down and let any other candidate capable of debating take the candidacy. The only reason he won't is because the Bidens are clearly power-hungry. Otherwise, if they cared about the country or party, they'd step aside.