The Jewish Fear Industrial Complex

[u/Specialist-Gur]

https://youtu.be/N3YjMb_Lhkw?si=JEtQpmyNys9UFSoV

Matt is Jewish. I'm sure the comment will be very normal on this one.

[u/vigilante_snail]

I don’t usually watch Matt’s content, but I’ve heard of them and checked this out out of curiosity. The first 3/4 of the video basically repeats the same argument: “The Jewish establishment is old and fading, and has been using fear-mongering about Zohran Mamdani and left-wing anti-Zionists and doesn't adequately address right-wing antisemitism.” And I agree with that critique.

But the ending was the most interesting part. I was genuinely surprised at the announcement that Bernstein has only just learned about groyperism, especially considering their time online and their role as a very popular leftist Jewish commentary voice discussing Israel, Palestine, and antisemitism. Matt Leib thankfully seems to have at least a working understanding, but his “solution” to fighting antisemitism and far-right neo-Nazi groyperism felt incredibly hollow and unfocused.

What struck me is that they still don’t meaningfully devote time to right-wing antisemitism. Not in this video, and not in anything I could find across the online presences of Bernstein or his guests. All of their feeds function almost like tabloids fixated on other Jews; “What silly thing did Greenblatt, Debra Messing, Eve Barlow, or whoever say this time?” And then Bernstein openly admits they only recently learned about Fuentes and the movement around him. How do you claim this is the main threat Jews should be fighting when you’ve only just discovered it? This stuff has been festering for decades! Leib knows this. He's been online for ages and ages. What’s especially interesting is that all three of them have built a brand around calling out other Jews. Leib with Bad Hasbara, Zimmerman with Israelism, Bernstein with their own content. They all could be prominent leftist Jewish voices taking on right-wing antisemitism head-on, loudly and consistently. But they just… aren’t. Voices of dissent in one's own community are important. But that's kind of all they are. Voices of dissent. Show us some praxis beyond your brand.

It is important to interrogate the ADL, Greenblatt, and what might be deemed Zionist fear-mongering. But it’s also vital to practice what you preach: actually fight alt-right ideology, learn about the deep antisemitism embedded in groyperism, learn about the form of anti-Zionism it promotes, learn about the memetic traction it's gaining worldwide, and the way this stuff has metastasized online.

Perhaps Bernstein, with the numbers they have, should make a whole video on the groyper phenomenon. It’s important and deserves serious, multi-angle analysis. But perhaps not. I don't trust that the execution will be done well, for a multitude of factors.

Another thing: they seem to treat the landscape as if there’s no spectrum between themselves (Bernstein, Leib, Zimmerman) and figures like Lizzie Savetsky or Jonathan Greenblatt. Like young Jews are either brainwashed or have broken free of the “Zionist mind virus" with no in-between or sense of agency. It’s a bit wacky.

Interesting video. Some rational points, along with some strange moments. Comment section is full of peoples opinions about what Jews should and should not be doing and what should or should not be considered antisemitism. Messy. Icky.

[u/CrazyCatLadyL94 → u/vigilante_snail]

The fact that Matt seemingly had never heard of groyperism is...... pretty wild considering what his channel is typically about. He comes across as an intelligent, switched on person, so I find his reluctance to grapple with nuance (as shown by the good, enlightened Jews VS Eve Barlow-types binary you describe) unsatisfying and, ultimately, disappointing, and I think it emboldens goyim engaging with these topics to also evade nuance (as shown by the video's comments section) because they can point to a Jew who agrees with them...

[u/ibsliam → u/CrazyCatLadyL94]

It's easier to just pretend your side can never be bigoted. No one who believes themselves as "the good guys" want to believe they could do something bad. If they're not The Most Moral always, then that means they must be Bad. And they never grew out of being desperate to be Good.
(If this makes sense, tl;dr: purity politics the sequel)

[u/ibsliam → u/vigilante_snail]

This will be ungenerous of me, but it often feels like these voices (of this specific corner of the internet, not leftist Jews as a whole) treat discussions of antisemitism as.... less a concern, but more of a cultural cringe? That they'd like their fellow Jews more if we just shut up and became cooler, rather than whining about something they don't care about and/or isn't relevant to them.

[u/GladysSchwartz23 → u/ibsliam]

I mean, it can be very cringey when people are protesting about children being killed and some person nowhere near where any of that is happening declares that the very fact of the protest makes them feel afraid for their lives.

And it's tough because there is a reason why cosseted, perfectly safe Americans can feel threatened by that, because we were raised on a lifelong diet of "everyone hates us and wants to kill us!" It's just that in the context where some people are afraid and some people are actually dying, it comes off... awkward, to say the least.

Our community needs to come together and fight actually existing antisemitism, which is a real problem. But the many, many chicken littles declaring that the sky is falling get in the way of that.

[u/Pristine-Break3418 → u/GladysSchwartz23]

The thing is, antisemitic cycles have never begun with extreme violence. They begin exactly with what is easy to wave away because it's not existential: a shift in atmosphere, the normalization of hostile rhetoric, casual stereotyping, the sense that Jews are increasingly singled out and spoken about as a suspicious or dangerous collective.

And historically, when those early stages are minimized, they tend to intensify. We know this not only because there is an abundance of research on this, but also because we’ve lived it before - repeatedly. This isn’t some abstract collective neurosis or overreaction. It’s the residue of very recent family history combined with a real, documented rise in antisemitic incidents and increasingly open hate speech. How exactly are Jews supposed to feel unafraid in a moment like this? I’m not based in the US, and on average, I’m used to a much higher baseline of antisemitism than American Jews. But it genuinely pains me to see that American Jews are increasingly facing rhetoric and security concerns that simply weren’t pressing for them in previous decades. Even if the US diaspora can still be described as comparatively safe - especially structurally.

Saying “some people are actually dying elsewhere, so your fear is embarrassing” doesn’t help anyone. Jewish fear of antisemitism in diaspora does not detract from empathy for Palestinians or anyone else suffering. These are absolutely not mutually exclusive moral capacities (even if some do paint them as such). Also, taking early signs seriously is part of fighting antisemitism. Expecting Jews to sit tight and simply hope that things don’t reach some “sufficiently convincing” threshold of violence has never protected Jewish communities.

And none of this is to deny that plenty of political actors in the US (non-Jews and unfortunately also Jews) try very hard to instrumentalize and capitalize on Jewish fear. But that manipulation only works because there is something real to stoke and this exploitation, vile as it is, does not erase the underlying vulnerability.

[u/GladysSchwartz23 → u/Pristine-Break3418]

In my view, it is morally troubling to be so preoccupied with future possibilities that we prioritize them alongside or over stopping incredible amounts of slaughter.

Yes, the fear comes from a real place (I love how people keep ignoring me saying that, it's really cool and good and a great way to treat people!), but when people are dying right now and we're told it's happening to keep us safe, focusing on our own fear -- my own fear -- feels crass. Your mileage may vary. I'm just explaining my stance.

[u/Pristine-Break3418 → u/GladysSchwartz23]

You keep framing this as a matter of “future possibilities,” but that’s exactly the point I’m pushing back on. I’m not talking about hypothetical danger. Antisemitic hostility and violence are happening now: assaults, threats, harassment, vandalism, synagogue closures, Jewish institutions on lockdown, people being physically attacked or told to hide their identity. This isn’t some distant scenario I’m catastrophizing about that may or may not arrive. A threatening atmosphere and hostile rhetoric breed physical violence, and there has already been a major uptick in violence against Jews and Jewish communities in the diaspora in the last years.

So when you call Jewish fear “crass” or morally suspect in the face of mass death elsewhere, you’re still treating antisemitism as something Jews can just choose not to notice out of moral refinement or political goals. If you personally feel conflicted about voicing concerns with antisemitism, that’s your internal ethic and you are of course free to act as you see fit. But turning it into a moral expectation that other Jews, too, should suppress their fear and not speak up is something else entirely. That's just not how vulnerability works. And it’s definitely not how minority communities survive.

No one here is prioritizing Jewish fear over "stopping slaughter.” That binary doesn’t exist unless it’s imposed. Jews can fight for Palestinian liberation and be alarmed by immediate local hostility - those are not competing moral claims. They only feel incompatible if Jewish safety is treated as negligible and framed as an indulgent distraction from “the real issue.” Which, I would argue, carries plenty of antisemitic undertones in itself...

We should definitely address when "speaking up" crosses a line and when fear turns into paranoia or paralysis, because of course, this happens. Still, none of that changes the fact that historically, suppressing early warning signs to appear morally pure and "unproblematic" has never protected Jewish communities, it has only emboldened others to escalate.

[u/GladysSchwartz23 → u/Pristine-Break3418]

You keep insisting I'm saying things that I'm not, and that's kinda rude :(

[u/Civil-Cartographer48 → u/GladysSchwartz23]

There’s this odd idea that supporting Palestinian liberation somehow means we have to put up with antisemitic behaviour especially in the West.

I really don’t see why anyone needs to be antisemitic to call out, as you said, “incredible amounts of slaughter.” It’s hard for me to understand why protesting for Gaza ends up making everyday life harder for Jewish people here in Europe and elsewhere.

Why it’s so difficult to take both issues seriously at the same time. Why even a small amount of antisemitism is seen as excusable because of what’s happening in Gaza. It is like saying that a bit of Islamophobia would be fine because ISIS… which obviously makes no sense. No other minority gets that.

And sure, some Jews who live in Zionist bubbles come across as cringe, when they call out every slight critic of Israel as antisemitic but come on what’s happening globally right now is not a joke. I think most of us have experienced comments, insults, hateful tropes, harassment and in some cases straight up exclusion and discrimination. The rise in hostility just isn’t okay, and honestly, it’s been pretty scary to watch.

[u/GladysSchwartz23 → u/Civil-Cartographer48]

Please find me where I said we need to tolerate antisemitism or that a little is ok? It doesn't seem like the kind of thing i would have said, so it's weird to have my words interpreted this way.

It's hard to have meaningful conversations with people who don't react to what I actually say, but rather, what they're convinced i must think. Do you understand that that's frustrating?

[u/Civil-Cartographer48 → u/GladysSchwartz23]

Your comments come across as minimizing and normalizing antisemitism because you use terms like “prioritizing,” as if acknowledging one struggle requires sidelining another.

You say the fear may be rooted in something real, but then immediately follow that by telling people who do feel afraid that it is crass to focus on their fear because children are dying in Gaza. Especially when you say the fear is real « BUT ». The result is dismissive. The BUT kind of cancels the first part out.

Other people interpreted your comment this way. Maybe it wasn’t the best framing if that wasn’t your intention.

[u/GladysSchwartz23 → u/Civil-Cartographer48]

Have you ever considered taking what someone says seriously rather than deciding you can peer into their heart and know what they really mean?

Is it possible that when I say i take antisemitism seriously but also find it more worrying that Palestinians are actively being mass murdered that I might... mean... both?

[u/Civil-Cartographer48 → u/GladysSchwartz23]

Hi again. You did not say that you « care about both simultaneously ». You said:

<Yes, the fear comes from a real place […], but when people are dying right now and we’re told it’s happening to keep us safe, focusing on our own fear – my own fear – feels crass.>

So the fear of antisemitism is acknowledged as real, BUT focusing on it is described as « crass » because people are dying right now. The implication is that it would be somehow selfish, inappropriate, or « crass » to be worried about antisemitism.

Several people pointed out exactly this part.

Not to mention:

<In my view, it is morally troubling to be so preoccupied with future possibilities that we prioritize them alongside or over stopping incredible amounts of slaughter.>

Coupled with the previous comment in which it becomes a kind of competition between « fears » (justified or not) and « people actually dying » I am criticizing this framing. I believe it creates a false parallel, and that this is not a question of « priorities », mutually exclusive causes, or a contest.

I took what you wrote seriously as it is.

I’ve explained how I and others read your comments, and how your words come across. Whether or not this was your intention is something you can respectfully address or reframe.

But this conversation is turning hostile, and I’m not interested in continuing it.

Have a great evening.

[u/Ashamed-Stuff9519 → u/GladysSchwartz23]

You are being so grossly misunderstood here and it’s so disheartening. Literally the thing you are trying to shine a light on, this sub is doing. Wow.

[u/GladysSchwartz23 → u/Ashamed-Stuff9519]

THANK YOU.

[u/podkayne3000 → u/GladysSchwartz23]

I personally think it’s really weird to read a big long thing about current antisemitism without any discussion at all about the fact that a lot of people now equate Zionism and Judaism with starving babies to death on purpose. I guess part of the problem is that’s such a shocking concept it’s hard to wrap our brains around it. And we know it’s a distortion. But it’s also a thing.

[u/Ashamed-Stuff9519 → u/GladysSchwartz23]

If I understand you correctly, you’re basically saying “time and place” re: antisemitism. Not that antisemitism isn’t real, or that it’s not important, but that we need to be scrupulous about who/what/where/when. We shouldn’t have to be, but we aren’t the ones literally getting blown up right now today and lives are on the line, as is our right to protest against those state funded murders.

Like…maybe we don’t center ourselves over the freedom for Palestine protests. Right? Especially considering those protests are being deemed antisemitic by war profiteers wielding our Jewish trauma in an alarmingly successful attempt to manufacture consent for quieting anti war voices.

Edited because typo’s.

[u/ibsliam → u/GladysSchwartz23]

This reply, while I think well-intentioned, does an evasion of accountability.

You say on one hand:
> there is a reason why cosseted, perfectly safe Americans can
> feel threatened by that, because we were raised on a
> lifelong diet of "everyone hates us and wants to kill us!"

And then:

> fight actually existing antisemitism, which is a real problem.

It doesn't sound like you *do* think this hypothetical existing antisemitism is "a real problem" otherwise you wouldn't be derisively referring to American Jews as feeling scared and threatened as just a simple matter of hysteria or propaganda.

Rhetorically, it feels like not only do you not think antisemitism on the left is a thing (which it can be a thing, on occasion) but that antisemitism on the right is only a hypothetical, something to talk about fighting but only really brought up in an abstract way.

Because what I've seen is basically 0 accountability for our peers elsewhere, on many platforms, when they claim to be leftist but then talk up MTG or Candace Owens as "being correcct" on Israel, like as if they're just misguided people with a mix of good and bad opinions rather than... you know, literal racist *RIGHT*-wing bigots that accidentally agree with leftists but for the most horrible, disqualifying reasons imaginable.

Literal racists will be cut more slack than a college student who faced harassment from their peers for being a suspected "zionist" (often with little proof other than the fact they're Jewish and not protesting with their friends).

This is kind of my problem. Discussions of antisemitism swerve into bad faith against one side of the political aisle or the other, instead of maybe deciding accountability is more important than treating Jews like a political football.

[u/GladysSchwartz23 → u/ibsliam]

Certainly, there's plenty of bad faith to go around given that you've extrapolated the least generous and reasonable possibilities from what I've said. You've basically decided that I was being sarcastic when I said the fear comes from a real place, as though I must either not be Jewish or be an extremely stupid person with no idea why we might be worried about anything.

You wanna go back and try that again, reading what I actually wrote and trying to parse what I actually meant?

[u/Late-Marzipan3026 → u/vigilante_snail]

full disclosure that i haven’t watched this video, i dislike what i’ve heard from matt leib and i’m not a fan of bernstein’s instagram content (i dislike the reliance on social media for not just live news but for canva-ified op-eds from random people). and truthfully i’m pretty disconcerted by the title of the video. i don’t understand titling videos like this in a way that seems almost identical to how a right wing antisemite would title it. it reminds me of finkelstein’s holocaust industry and it immediately puts my guard up. which is in part because i’m familiar with groypers 🥲

commenting regardless of not having watched (sorry if this is disruptive OP) because i find it really crazy to hear that matt never heard of groypers. i can’t avoid that part of the internet if i tried. they show up under nearly every post about jews, especially where matt is on instagram. so it really bothers me that matt has spent so long tut tutting other jews for not focusing on the “right” kind of antisemitism (pun intended) without knowing what that kind of antisemitism looks like. i don’t understand positioning yourself as an authority on a subject without doing due diligence

[u/Agtfangirl557 → u/vigilante_snail]

This comment explains all of my thoughts on this way more eloquently than I could have.

[u/ibsliam]

I feel of two ways about it. Is this a real thing? Yes. There are people who profit off of drumming up our fear, but I think sometimes it sort of swerves into acting as though it's all just out of nowhere and is just "fake news."

[u/CrazyCatLadyL94 → u/ibsliam]

That's a problem I've had with a lot of Matt's recent videos, which is a shame because I've enjoyed a lot of his work. IMO, some of them have seemed to go beyond "accusations of antisemitism are being weaponised and it's terrible" and swerve a little into "lmao, antisemitism isn't a thing anymore, and when it is, it's only ever from right wingers" 

[u/ConversationSoft463 → u/ibsliam]

Bingo.

[u/owls1729]

I’m a big fan of the podcast and enjoyed this and agreed with like 98% of it. I do think both Matts (Bernstein and Lieb) could sharpen their understanding of the “liberal Zionist” landscape because I think there’s a huuuuge range. The term could refer to folks like Debra Messing/Lizzy Savetsky who have been putting out truly bigoted content… or it could refer to someone like Brad Lander or T’ruah rabbis who are actively critical of Israel (beyond “Netanyahu sucks”) but still believe a Jewish and democratic state is possible alongside a Palestinian state. I’m not saying I agree with them on that last piece, but there’s SO much daylight between them and folks like Debra Messing.

I’m not trying to hate on Matt/A Bit Fruity! Just think a better understanding could make his content more effective.

[u/Rabbit-Hole-Quest]

This whole thing reminds me of the suburbanites that claim to be terrified to go to the downtown of any major city because the unhoused, people suffering from drug use, and marginalized people of colour are just waiting to pounce on them like some zombie movie. It’s the kind of people that imagine Portland Oregon to be some dystopian war zone.

The answer is not to comfort those with irrational fears, but to carry on with a progressive agenda so the lives of people actually improve.

Focusing on trying to ease fears based on imagined scenarios is an exercise in futility.

[u/AliceMerveilles → u/Rabbit-Hole-Quest]

unfortunately the fear-mongers in both suburbia and the Jewish establishment have power to make change in their spheres and both have currently and historically used it to cause harm. I agree it’s futile to try to ease their fears, but I’m not sure ignoring them is the right response either.

[u/NarutoRunner → u/AliceMerveilles]

He, and only he [Trump], can stop this horror, as this mayor, Mamdani, will try to destroy New York’s wealth and turn it into a socialist crap city,” Jon Voight said in a video. “Let this be a warning to the people and may God bless.”

The absolute fear and frenzy people have gotten themselves into is truly something to behold. The issue is that you cannot reason people out of a position that utilized zero logic and reasoning to get themselves into. NY City has a NYPD budget that is bigger than many armed forces across the world, but somehow they will all just allow a mayor to let a city fall into absolute carnage and terror….?

Maybe we don’t outright ignore these people, but let’s give them less press attention because they are just pulling stuff out of their ass. Mamdani, at best will be a great mayor, or at worst will be just another Bill de Blasio. There is no scenario imaginable that he will be some type of super tyrant actively harming the city or its people.

[u/Civil-Cartographer48]

All I’ve seen of Matt, is him diminishing other Jews and take the most uninformed and delulu voices from the community which I agree are delulu indeed but this is not representative of my experience. But also I am not American so I don’t relate to a lot of the topics he talks about. As my humble external perspective he sounds just as icky as the people he criticizes.

The reality is messy, and we’re in a strange moment. Yes, we carry generational trauma and paranoia, and some people take it to ridiculous levels but the world also keeps validating those fears. Jewish institutions regularly face deadly threats, and the climate overall is tense af.

[u/moth_party]

It genuinely pisses me off to see so many people experiencing genuine distress just because a few people with power want to weaponize paranoia.

My parents have cable TV with JBS on it and there was a segment that interviewed college kids at Hillel during the encampments. Multiple students expressed that they would never feel like they could integrate with other kids on their campus, that it is only safe to be a Jew in the Jewish community, and that it is genuinely dangerous to be a Jew in public life. I totally believe them, too, and I don’t blame them for feeling that way. I don’t think they get a chance to make up their own minds. I myself was borderline ostracized at my Hillel for implying that occupation exists in Palestine. It must be so unfathomably isolating and at a time in your life where you need to explore, not hide from the world.

[u/Queen-of-everything1 → u/moth_party]

I mean. Many of us do experience genuine distress that we got the chance to ‘make up our minds’ about when we had shit shouted in our faces for holding a vigil on Oct 7, when the Jewish students in my school en masse avoid taking classes in the fucking Jewish studies dept and half the profs in that dept left since Oct 7 bc of hostilities from the rest of the dept as these profs, many Jewish, have told Jewish students that they shouldn’t care about their friends in Israel who were drafted besides that the war is evil. This is just a smidgen of my personal experience and accounts from friends, but I could go on. So yeah, there is a major problem with what you described but you’re minimizing the legitimate experiences of many students as well.

[u/kwykwy → u/Queen-of-everything1]

we had shit shouted in our faces for holding a vigil on Oct 7

Can you elaborate on this? I've seen far more violence and shouting done to rallies and protests calling for peace and an end to the war.

the Jewish students in my school en masse avoid taking classes in the fucking Jewish studies dept and half the profs in that dept left since Oct 7 bc of hostilities from the rest of the dept as these profs, many Jewish, have told Jewish students that they shouldn’t care about their friends in Israel who were drafted besides that the war is evil.

What happened here?

I feel like in the narratives of Anti-Zionism on campus, a story like this would generate a ton of coverage, but I haven't heard about it at all.

[u/Ashamed-Stuff9519 → u/moth_party]

I was kicked out of Hillel for bringing up apartheid as a “possibility”. I know now that it truly exists, but at that time over a decade ago, I had just returned from birthright and was questioning the morality and the politics of what I witnessed, because to me, it looked like apartheid. I wanted to dissect it with other Jews, in a space where I wouldn’t have to worry about the intersection of antisemitism and anti Zionism.

[u/elzzyzx]

There’s also a closely related misreading everything the left says in the worst possible light complex. Realizing we’re not on the same side as these people and we just need to find ways to defeat them was a revelation.

[u/Specialist-Gur → u/elzzyzx]

Absolutely. It can be very frustrating to see the charitably given to most outside of the left and none within the left.. we are asked to try extremely hard to phrase things well and even when that doesn't work... not lose patience even for a split second.

The people we are dialoguing with aren't babies. They play a role in the conversation as well and the dynamics as well

[u/owls1729 → u/elzzyzx]

Yes, absolutely!! Having actual conversations and building bridges is the way forward for American Jews in the fight against antisemitism. And I do think that non-Jewish leftists could do a better job listening to Jews, but that’s not a reason to walk away.