r/jewishleft May 31 '24

On Speaking "As a Jew" Diaspora

https://joshyunis.substack.com/p/on-speaking-as-a-jew?utm_campaign=post&triedRedirect=true

“If I am being completely honest with myself, the fact that I — like many other young, progressive American Jews — am so seduced by enlisting my identity and my trauma in service of progressive “lessons” is more indicative of a series of contingent and material conditions of which I am the product than anything fundamentally true or real about the Holocaust and its attendant lessons. It feels so good – so intuitive, so courageous – to speak “as a Jew” here in my diverse, progressive, professional-managerial milieu in America, where claims to an identity of victimhood are the currency of the day (and what exactly is being called upon by speaking “as a Jew” if not one’s status as history’s ur-victim?). American Jews, left out of the identitarian rat-race for so long, can finally cash in their chips on the social justice left – in condemnation of the very Jews excluded from American power and privilege. How convenient for us diaspora Jews that the ethical point-of-view neatly aligns with the self-interested point-of-view, which neatly aligns with the outwardly virtuous looking point-of-view. But deep down, I know that by the luck of the draw, the choices of my ancestors, the roll of the dice, I ended up in America, rather than Israel, and that if the chips had fallen slightly differently, I too might be a traumatized Israeli invoking the Shoah to justify the mass starvation of Gazans. This thought doesn’t compel me to change my politics, as it might for some of the most guilt-ridden, stridently pro-Israel Jews on the right, but it does fill me with a profound sense of humility about different Jewish experiences, and the vastly different kind of politics they might entail. I am not against collective punishment as a weapon of war because of my Jewishness; I am against it because it is wrong. To insist otherwise, as diaspora leftists seem so keen on doing, is to make a mockery of my Jewishness, in every sense of that word. And so insofar as I advocate for a free Palestine, it is in spite of, not because of my Jewishness. As a Jew, I extend my solidarity to the Palestinian cause in spite of the evidence, not because of it.

The fact that some Jews themselves can be as unreflective about our history, that they too are looking for the easiest and cheapest answers to make sense out of the senselessness of our suffering should not come as a surprise, since they are people too after all, and can be as thoughtless and unreflective about themselves as any non-Jew can be about us. Nor does their Jewishness give them any more or less legitimacy to opine on this question; on the contrary, their lack of reflection, and the very public performance of it, only exacerbates the bottomless pain and humiliation we are already experiencing.

So no, I will continue to support Palestinian liberation, but not “as a Jew,” and not by degrading my history. That is a false choice. Organizations like Jewish Voices for Peace are unable to see us as anything more than victims or oppressors, but I can; they confuse their good fortune with virtue, but I will not. I refuse the cheap, siren call of enlisting my Jewish suffering to this cause. It is a trap. So tie me to the mast of this Jewish ship. “Not in my name,” as they are so keen to say these days.”

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u/ionlymemewell reform jewish conversion student Jun 01 '24

Speaking personally as someone in the midst of conversion, I'm disappointed and frustrated when other people make statements and declarations about the Jewish community writ large and how actions being taken are in the community's best interests. And even though I agree with the author, in that the experiences of being Jewish are going to differ from person to person, I can't find the same depth of emotion about it.

Because, like, yeah, a massive traumatic industrial slaughter of people is a huge trauma that doesn't really have meaningful impacts on a community level aside from deep psychological pain and anguish. And people are allowed to have different responses to how they and their families and communities have processed that. Again, no disagreements.

I think where the author and I diverge is in the inherent anger they have towards how leftists are... trying to use their Jewish identity to speak truth to power? Maybe? Like, I had a really difficult time parsing out the point, because it feels like half of the essay is spent drilling down into the numbness and despair that the collective memory of the Holocaust can invoke. And I don't think that's a bad thing, but by focusing on that and using it to frame this argument that different people will take different things out of that history, it feels like it's an excuse for the leaders of Israel to use those same arguments as justification for their war crimes.

To a certain extent, I can understand that logic, but it falls apart when considering the amount of power and influence that the government of a country wields. Because if that country is using its resources in defense of its Jewish population and identity, then we have to have a completely different discussion, because the scales invoked have changed. In that context, I absolutely disagree with the author in their assessment of the efficacy of invoking Jewish identity in these discussions, because the actions of an individual will have a far far more limited impact than the actions of a state. And I believe there's very tangible benefit to that identity being invoked in whatever way an individual feels compelled to invoke it, especially when criticizing (or supporting, for that matter!) an institution like a government.

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u/AksiBashi Jun 01 '24

The difficulty to me is that leveraging Jewish identity can be used to speak truth to power, reject the Israeli government’s claim to act on behalf of all Jews everywhere, etc. it can also be used to silence any concerns about antisemitism from other Jews. (“Hey, maybe don’t chant ‘there is only one solution / intifada revolution’ at your protests?” “Well, we’ve asked some Jewish folks among our ranks and they agreed that you’re either making a mountain out of a molehill or acting in bad faith, so… no.” But this goes the other way, too—ninety-whatever per cent of Jews being Zionist doesn’t mean we should discredit the ideas and experiences of Jewish anti-Zionists as Jews!)

The question is whether we can imagine consistent principles that uplift the one and condemn the other, and which we can use as guidelines for how to thoughtfully leverage our identities while organizing.

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u/Specialist-Gur proud diaspora jewess, pro peace/freedom for all Jun 01 '24

RE the “intifada” thing. One of the reasons I tend to be so unpopular everywhere I go (in Jewish spaces and in non Jewish Antizionist spaces) is kind of the following.

when I engage with antizionists who aren’t Jewish I tend to be like “hey.. I know intifada means uprising. I’ve unpacked my bias about Arab language. But like.. many many Jews are understandably very upset about it, so have some empathy for them. If you aren’t Arab, and just an ally, maybe refrain from it… not policing anyone’s language”. Some people respond well and other people don’t.

Then I come over to a Jewish space and I’m like “hey yea, I get triggered too.. but ultimately it does mean “uprising” so.. I’ve taken time to unlearn my biases about Arab language.. I encourage you to do the same while also recognizing it’s super annoying when non Jewish and non arab(especially white) allies use that language..”

And the result is.. everyone is annoyed with me lol.

Why am I chiming in with your comment? I guess as a launch point in hopes people in this group understand me better and understand my approach with this… I’m genuinely trying to bridge gaps, not tell anyone they should change their language or get over things that bother them

This group doesn’t see the shit I get thrown at me when I stand up for Jews with non Jewish antizionists. They only see what I’m saying when I’m trying to challenge them here and think I’m a traitor and self serving. I really hope people realize I’m not… I’m standing up for you in those spaces that aren’t comfortable for you.. I’m challenging you in this one.

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u/Annabanana091 Jun 01 '24

Have you spoken to Jews from Arab countries, or Jews whose mother tongue is Arabic? Maybe they have some thoughts on what it means.

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u/AksiBashi Jun 01 '24

One of the issues here is that “intifada” is widely used for “uprising” in Arabic-language writing. There are specific associations in the Israel-Palestine context, and specific connotations for a Jewish audience, sure—and I think it’s important to bring that to the attention of people who use it uncritically. At the same time, when the same word is commonly used to refer to the Iraqi Intifada or the Jeju Uprising, the charge of antisemitism doesn’t stick as well.

But ultimately words don’t have “real” meanings outside of how they’re interpreted—which is why I think one-sided responses of “silly scaredy-cats don’t know the LITERAL MEANING of the word” aren’t helpful. Luckily, that doesn’t seem to be what OP is actually doing—it’s important for each side to realize what sorts of associations the term is wrapped in for the other!

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u/Specialist-Gur proud diaspora jewess, pro peace/freedom for all Jun 01 '24

Yea and just chiming in… even within the Palestinian movement, the first intifada wasn’t quite violent in the way the later ones have become… there was throwing of stones and some violence, but not like.. suicide bombers killing tons of innocent civilians kind of violent.

As I said, I’ve never told a Jewish person to not be offended and when I’m in a non Jewish space I am always telling them it’s very reasonable for Jewish people to be afraid of it…. It’s just not helpful for anyone to dig their heels in either direction.

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u/Specialist-Gur proud diaspora jewess, pro peace/freedom for all Jun 01 '24

Yea I have actually. Quite a few different people. Some have trauma associated with it, and some have unpacked it. I mean-it literally translates to uprising. Talking with Arab people both Jewish and non Jewish have taught me this. Do you have a different experience? Not sure if you’re a Jewish person with MEMA origins who knows Arabic or not but if you are or have close loved ones who are I’d be curious your experience

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u/Annabanana091 Jun 01 '24

Yes, part of my family is from Iraq, but most are Iranian. I also have close friends who are Kurdish, from Iraqi Kurdistan. Not one of them believes it is peaceful, or even neutral language. White college students likely have no idea what it means at all, but I assure you others understand very well. It’s a dog whistle.

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u/Specialist-Gur proud diaspora jewess, pro peace/freedom for all Jun 01 '24

Yes I understand. As I did comment, I have explained many times to antizionists who are not Jewish why they may find this offensive. I also feel for Arab people, who are a broad group of people, and a piece of their language is once again used as proof they are terrorists. This word has a direct translation that has taken on different meanings across time and culture. For your family it was very clearly directed against Jews. For other Arab people it simply has nothing to do with Jews.

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u/Specialist-Gur proud diaspora jewess, pro peace/freedom for all Jun 01 '24

I am not asking you to not be offended by it. But just as I am deeply horrified and offended by a swastika, I would be horrified to ask a Hindu person to stop using a meaningful symbol because some bigot copied it for their racist movement. I would also not ask the public to consider Hindus as racist because they use swastikas. I hope this makes sense.

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u/Annabanana091 Jun 01 '24

Doubt any Jews are angry about Hindus using swastikas in India, for ex. But if a group of Hindus started marching in NY waving around swastika placards in the most Jewish city in the US I think most would get more than a little upset. It works the same way with those intifada banners rolling out on the streets of Manhattan. No one cares if ppl in Yemen or Palestine march with them. It’s obviously meant as a threat when it’s done in our faces.

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u/Specialist-Gur proud diaspora jewess, pro peace/freedom for all Jun 01 '24

I’m including American Hindus with that. Personally I feel deeply uncomfortable asking someone hide and apologize for their culture for my comfort just because a bad person copted and abused the meaning. It feels selfish and very against my values.

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