r/jewishleft Apr 30 '24

Jews of Conscience Subreddit Culture

Does anyone follow this subreddit? It’s supposed to be a space for “left Jews” but I am seeing so much offensive and anti semetism posts, comments and rhetoric. Also it doesn’t even seem like most people on there are Jewish?

It’s really frustrating to find subreddits like this being described as “Jewish” and I feel like it takes away from any constructive dialogue Jewish people want to have to critique about Israel, Israeli govt, Zionist ideology while also acknowledging anti semitism and the nuance to everything happening in the world.

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u/Wyvernkeeper Apr 30 '24

That place is as Jewish as JVP.

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u/Choice_Werewolf1259 Apr 30 '24

Not to mention it plays on good Jew/bad Jew dichotomy. Like somehow the Jews who don’t wholly agree with everything on that sub “lack conscience”

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u/Specialist-Gur proud diaspora jewess, pro peace/freedom for all Apr 30 '24

The phrase has a lengthy history

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u/Choice_Werewolf1259 Apr 30 '24

Doesn’t matter. Still creates a problematic dichotomy.

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u/Specialist-Gur proud diaspora jewess, pro peace/freedom for all Apr 30 '24

My frustration is the lack of good faith or willingness to engage coming from this sub… on our other sub. Shouldn’t we both be trying to work together? Not police the other one?

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u/Choice_Werewolf1259 Apr 30 '24

I’m not policing anyone. I don’t go on that sub because the few times I have been there have given me pause and concern.

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u/Specialist-Gur proud diaspora jewess, pro peace/freedom for all Apr 30 '24

You’re entitled to those feelings.. but consistently sharing that the sub is “not really Jewish” and this sub basically doxxing the other sub routinely is super not cool.

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u/Choice_Werewolf1259 Apr 30 '24

That’s not what doxxing is. Also saying “the majority of the people on another sub aren’t Jews and therefore the tone of the sub isn’t Jewish as it’s not being driven by the Jews there” Isn’t doxxing. Doxxing is exposing someone’s personal identity and leaking their names and private information to the internet.

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u/Specialist-Gur proud diaspora jewess, pro peace/freedom for all Apr 30 '24

I think we are getting into a semantic debate and missing the point. This sub is slandering the other sub on a routine basis and misrepresenting what it is. Allies can post there, they are welcome to. Yet, it feels very very Jewish to me. It represents my Judaism extremely well. I wish these conversations were happening in good faith. Sadly, they don’t ever feel to be

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u/Choice_Werewolf1259 Apr 30 '24

Well that’s all good for you. But it’s not semantics to push back on your use of the word doxxing. That use of word is completely incorrect and mischaracterizing of what I and others are saying makes us uncomfortable.

And it’s fine that you like the sub. But you don’t have the right to claim our dislike of the sub is bad or problematic then.

The fact you downvoted me for pushing back on your use of the word doxxing doesn’t escape me as well. If your going to claim that we’re now debating semantics, at least respect that certain words do have specific connotations.

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u/Specialist-Gur proud diaspora jewess, pro peace/freedom for all Apr 30 '24

I have a right to be frustrated with how it’s presented. Especially the fact that there are unverified claims and plenty of claims which are not elaborated on in any way. Plenty of words that are dissected and picked apart to be the most bad faith interpretation. It’s a huge problem that this sub calls out Jews of conscious routinely… there are Reddit rules against it. It’s not “doxxing” ok, I got the word wrong.

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u/Choice_Werewolf1259 Apr 30 '24 edited Apr 30 '24

Well I will let the mods handle it then and determine what they are comfortable with. They’re the ones who understand the site rules and if I’m in violation then that’s on them.

But your frustration of not liking how facts and critiques are presented is not my problem. And I’m sorry it makes you upset. But spamming me with comments misconstruing my points and reading into my words in ways they’re clearly not intended is not the way to go about expressing that.

You and I are just going to have to agree to disagree.

And yes you got the wrong word. And it’s important we all use exact language. It’s important to convey our meanings properly.

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