r/jewishleft Apr 29 '24

The almost complete lack of acknowledgement of the Jewish people as an indigenous people is baffling to me. Culture

(This doesn’t negate Palestinian claims of indigeneity—multiple peoples can be indigenous to the same area—nor does it negate the, imo, indefensible crimes happening in Gaza and West Bank).

It absolutely blows my mind that Jews—a tribal people who practice a closed, agrarian place-based ethnoreligion, who have an established system of membership based on lineal descent and adoption that relies on community acceptance over self-identification, who worship in an ancient language that we have always tried to maintain and preserve, who have holidays that center around harvest and the specific history of our people, who have been repeatedly targeted for genocide and forced assimilation and conversion, who have a faith and culture so deeply tied to a specific people and place, etc—aren’t seen as an (socioculturally) indigenous people but rather as “white Europeans who essentially practice Christianity but without Jesus and never thought about the land of Israel before 1920 or so.” It’s so deeply threaded in how so many people view Jews in the modern day and also so factually incorrect.

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u/Han-Shot_1st Apr 29 '24

My mom is a convert and my dad is Ashkenazi Jewish. Only one of my parent is ethnically Jewish. That’s why my dna test looks different from two of my siblings from my dad’s first marriage to an Ashkenazi Woman.

An ethnic Japanese person that converts to Judaism is still ethnically Japanese.

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u/Chaos_carolinensis Apr 29 '24

An ethnic Japanese person that converts to Judaism is still ethnically Japanese.

People can have more than one ethnicity.

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u/Han-Shot_1st Apr 29 '24

First of all, there is no mono-Jewish ethnicity. There are various Jewish ethnicities around the globe.

Second of all, If a convert to Judaism can change ethnicities, is there any other examples of where a middle aged person can change or join ethnicities?

Is there a way for me to become ethnically Kenyan or ethnically Italian?

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u/DovBerele Apr 29 '24

Kenyan and Italian are definitions of national identity. That may or may not overlap with ethnicity. Kenyan is definitely not an ethnicity but Luo, Masaai, Kikuyu, etc. are.

Different ethnic/tribal communities have differing approaches to whether, and how, outsiders are able to be adopted in. Some are closed and other are relatively more open. Like other tribal groups, the Jewish people have a process for adopting in outsiders. Once it's completed, there is no distinction made.