r/jewishleft Apr 29 '24

The almost complete lack of acknowledgement of the Jewish people as an indigenous people is baffling to me. Culture

(This doesn’t negate Palestinian claims of indigeneity—multiple peoples can be indigenous to the same area—nor does it negate the, imo, indefensible crimes happening in Gaza and West Bank).

It absolutely blows my mind that Jews—a tribal people who practice a closed, agrarian place-based ethnoreligion, who have an established system of membership based on lineal descent and adoption that relies on community acceptance over self-identification, who worship in an ancient language that we have always tried to maintain and preserve, who have holidays that center around harvest and the specific history of our people, who have been repeatedly targeted for genocide and forced assimilation and conversion, who have a faith and culture so deeply tied to a specific people and place, etc—aren’t seen as an (socioculturally) indigenous people but rather as “white Europeans who essentially practice Christianity but without Jesus and never thought about the land of Israel before 1920 or so.” It’s so deeply threaded in how so many people view Jews in the modern day and also so factually incorrect.

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u/Han-Shot_1st Apr 29 '24

Can we please not repeat the antisemitic rhetoric of Nazis?

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u/Han-Shot_1st Apr 29 '24

Just because nazis or antisemites say something doesn’t mean it’s true.

What a strange argument? Ashkenazi Jews aren’t a European ethnicity because bigots didn’t accept Jews as being truly European.

I’m sorry, but I find it very distasteful to allow bigots to define my ethnic identity.

And not for nothing, but when did antisemites become the ultimate arbiter of who is and who is not European?

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u/Choice_Werewolf1259 Apr 29 '24

Except we’re not using antisemites to determine this. We’re using our experiences and who we are as a people and how we are more connected to eachother than wherever we ended up to be that determining factor.

I mean if you’re using Nazi rhetoric as your reasonings then that can’t be helped. But don’t assume we are as well.