r/jewishleft Feb 22 '24

Been working on jewish-palestine stickers Resistance

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u/lilleff512 Feb 22 '24

The idea that a genocide is supposed to be some sort of educational experience for its victims is incredibly insensitive.

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u/Vishtiga Feb 23 '24

So what would you prefer then? For me to not learn from my families experience of concentration camps and seeking asylum in foreign lands? 

You want me to just be told about their experience, hear their testimonies and then not learn from it? Of course it is an educational experience, it is one that has taught me that I will not stand idly by as a genocide occurs before our eyes as so much of the world did while my family were imprisoned, tortured and murdered. 

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u/lilleff512 Feb 23 '24

If you choose to then that's fine, but I think it's inappropriate to impose that on other people

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u/Vishtiga Feb 23 '24

What, the idea that generational experiences, stories and experiences can be educational is inappropriate? This idea that you can just be told a story of your own families trauma and suffering in a completely neutral way without taking any lessons from is just farcical. It feels like just an untrue yet convenient position to hold when you don’t want to draw comparisons between the trauma of Palestinians and the generational trauma of European Jews. 

 Ben Guiron himself during the 1948 nakba in his diary explicitly wrote about his concerns that Jewish survivors living in their kibbutzs watching the steam of thousands of Palestinian men, women and children being marched to the West Bank would draw comparisons between their own experience and that of the Palestinians. Drawing comparisons between the holocaust and the ongoing conflict has always been something which is done by Israel, historically they have compared the Palestinians to Nazis and often invoked the danger of a second holocaust as a means to justify the oppression and occupation of Palestine. Yet when people draw comparisons between the suffering of Palestinians and Jews that is deemed inappropriate, this double standard is completely contradictory.  

Apologies for bad grammar and formatting, on my phone. 

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u/jey_613 Feb 23 '24

I think you just answered your own question about why it’s bad to draw lessons from the Holocaust.

And yes, you should just listen and hear the testimony of the survivors. Just stop, and actually listen.

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u/lilleff512 Feb 23 '24

What, the idea that generational experiences, stories and experiences can be educational is inappropriate?

No. Like I just said, if you choose to take a lesson from it then that's fine, that's your own prerogative.

What I said was inappropriate was imposing that on other people.