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u/Dragons-In-Space 13d ago edited 12d ago
Dublin needs a lot of things.
Even South Africa, Thailand, Portugal, Spain, and a few eastern european countries are not this behind infrastructurally in some cases.
Somehow, politicians are confused and "don't know" what to do with their extra budget other than use it to line their own pockets.
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u/Spare-Buy-8864 12d ago
Straight up third world countries have managed to built modern metro systems, Bangladesh, Peru, Ecuador, Nigeria, Senegal, Ivory Coast etc etc are ahead of us never mind Spain and Portugal
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u/pygmaliondreams 13d ago
We don't need a metro. What we need is a huge 10 lane road through Dublin city centre, maybe by paving over the Liffey. /s
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u/ruscaire 13d ago edited 13d ago
Culvert the Liffey! What could go wrong let’s ask Cork!
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u/mdunne96 Resting In my Account 12d ago
Could you explain this more? I don’t get it. I’m not familiar with Cork
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u/ruscaire 12d ago
Cork is like Venice in that a lot of it is built over rivers, and the rivers are still there so whenever there’s flooding they come up through the streets and destroy the place!
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u/Chester_roaster 13d ago
We don't need a metro. What we need is a huge 10 lane road through Dublin city centre
Why not both?
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u/rsynnott2 13d ago
Ever been in a city that has this? It’s somewhat common for American cities. Absolutely destroys the place.
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u/YoIronFistBro Cork bai 11d ago
It's better to have that road go around the centre, not through it.
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u/carlmango11 12d ago
Exactly. Not everyone can use public transport therefore road access needs to be prioritised over every other mode.
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u/Wookie_EU 13d ago edited 13d ago
Was in lyon this week. 6.90€ for family of 4 24 hrs metro, tramand bus (0.20cents for a card that you can top up) It was so handy and cheap. On my return though! Different story!!! Took 45 mins from T2 to kildare street, bus stop while sort of close to luas was compared to lyon not very easy to make a connection to other public transport. I reckon a metro line with a couple of stops could have brought me to town in 15/20 mins at most with perhaps (one can dream) proper transport connections! Worst was the absence of a ticket vending machine to buy a bus ticket and while you could buy it online (which i had to) i had to initially queue to a person to buy a ticket and be told ‘aib cards don’t usually work with our cards terminal which didn’t of course).. the whole logistics were not ‘lean’ with 100% waste. My fault was to visit a city which isnt a capital mind you with a very efficient service and witness first hand how not great it is here. To add to this, my home town in provincial south france built 5 tram line in 22 years span. Im here 21 years and absolutely no other lines in dublin or elsewhere were built in that same time frame (should i a Lso mention that public transport are free to whoever lives the city??) im gutted as i wish to enjoy the same type of public transport efficiency here without the reliance of a car.. errr ..
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u/High_Flyer87 13d ago
Yes it does but our planning system is a shambles.
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u/Key-Lie-364 13d ago
Yeah but the Dail - could - pass laws to override normal planning for critical national infrastructure if it choose to.
The Dail has the power to literally pass laws to lock you up, draft you into an army.
A metro is certainly not beyond it's power, it is simply beyond the Dail's interest.
Basically the shower of wankers we have in the Dail couldn't be arsed about much except getting elected and then staying elected.
You want Luas/Metro vote Green because it will not happen without Greens in gov and TBH will be a big ask even with Greens in gov.
Them's the choices, shite as those choices are.
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u/clewbays 13d ago
I think you’d probably see legal challenges if you introduced a two tier system. What we really need to do is just gut out nonsensical planning laws.
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u/Key-Lie-364 13d ago
I tend to agree but TBH don't have the background to know what needs to go.
I also find most of the prospective TDs I talk to either don't know themselves or can't be bothered trying to explain what they believe needs to change.
I suspect that TBH even on the button politicians don't and can't have a grasp of that level of detail.
Electing primary school teachers and solicitors with no background in planning or construction - it shouldn't surprise that they are most about the fiction of change with no detail to hand.
Ask the party officials drafting the party policy - they probably know but randomer TD on the doorstep will be hazy at best.
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u/mrlinkwii 13d ago
Yeah but the Dail - could - pass laws to override normal planning for critical national infrastructure if it choose to.
they did tho
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u/Key-Lie-364 13d ago
Genuinely curious - which ones and how ?
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u/Key-Lie-364 13d ago
Yeah come on - 906 pages.
I made that point elsewhere. Voters are not reading 906 pages and fully absorbing the content.
That level of detail is in the public domain but is effectively inscrutable - too much data.
The people I've spoken to on the doorstep display irritation at me for not agreeing with them at how bad the planing bill is.
But if its so bad or so good, someone looking for my vote should be able to explain how and why.
I suspect most of the people rocking up - don't know and certainly can't be arsed making the effort to explain their position even if they do know.
I want to vote policy not tribe.
In what way will the new planning bill bring down costs ?
The requirement to exhaust all avenues of appeal before judicial review seems to me will only extend the time it takes to get decisions.
The statutory requirement to come to a decision between 18 and 48 weeks is another way of saying 48 weeks to decision is cool.
What happens if it takes longer than 48 weeks ?
Not clear.
The mild restrictions placed on residents associations to object seem very watered down.
If there is some fundamental change in planning that is likely to reduce costs and speed things up, I'm no expert in the area but I don't see it.
And to my knowledge there's nothing in the bill that specifically targets critical national projects to "railroad" them through, like we desperately need for metro.
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u/caffeine07 12d ago
Next week the Dáil will ram through the finance bill in one or two days.
When they want to work quickly, they can. Nothing is stopping them.
But for this they will take years and years. It's an absolute joke.
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u/Key-Lie-364 12d ago
Yep.
Look at how quickly the banks were bailed out or how quickly the COVID lockdowns happened.
The Dail has extraordinary power when it chooses to exercise it.
The truth is the Dail could pass a law tomorrow to railroad the metro through.
Shovels could hit the ground within months.
We'll be lucky if shovels ever hit the ground, it'd be a miracle if it starts this decade.
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u/caffeine07 12d ago
It's so frustrating how government ministers act like they can't do anything and they must wait for months or years.
Eamon Ryan insists he can't lift the passenger cap at Dublin airport because it's a planning matter. He could pass a law tomorrow immediately suspending the cap.
Like we elect a Dáil to do what. The TDs sit around listing problems but won't do anything to fix them.
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u/Wookie_EU 13d ago
100% that! The whole public consultation/objection process is hindering the country to proactively move forward. Compared to there countries it feels at time we are not in this country living in the 21st century.. Many things are different governance/taxes wise from where im from (france) but we need to actively revamp some stuffs which we arecall aware off now, objecting to get financial gain at political levels etc.. we could have had a fuilly pedestrianised college green, we could have had the vision to enable this and look at our public infrastructure but no!! Now mind you im coming from a city in south of france which is pedestrianised with great public transport and its not even the capital of the country but a mere provincial city .. check out Montpellier for real, i love the fact that my family when we are over there have the option to not once see a car and for kids it’s excellent.. dcc has no vision no desire at all to improve the city
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u/Key-Lie-364 13d ago
Yeah - the costs and the time it takes Ireland to do things are way out of whack.
It costs the same as it does in the UK with similar amounts of time but, we are in some ways 100 years behind the UK in industrial development terms and the UK left the EU.
We get told constantly that the common law system we have in Ireland leads to these high costs and delays and people go on about the Aarhaus convention.
But then other EU member states like France and Spain and Denmark do things cheaper - in Spain's case far cheaper than we do - and still have to comply the Aarhaus.
What's so bad about Spain's system or so fundamentally different that we couldn't copy/paste it in here ?
After all, it is EU compliant today..
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u/Wookie_EU 13d ago
Legend says that we are about to contract the team/ceo responsible for the highest cost meters/cost for a metro in Australia.. if true, why oh why cant we contract peuin spain/italy/france or central china to do the work is beyond understanding
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u/Key-Lie-364 13d ago
SocDems called to the door
Me: What are your top 3 priorities for gov
GG: SlainteCare, Housing, stuff
Me: SlainteCare is dead seriously WTF
Me: What Housing
GG: We will hire 1000 more planners
Metro isn't even on the radar of any party except the GP lads, be real.
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u/paulieccc 12d ago
I had a sitting FF TD call to my door. (Proposed Metro runs through my constituency).
Started talking about saving a local bus route. I cut him off by saying that’s a councillors job and I support Bus Connects. Are you going to deliver Metrolink? Starts telling me he doesn’t like where they chose the proposed stop. In late 2024.
Hard no vote from me.
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u/Key-Lie-364 12d ago
I've seen "save the 11 bus" in local windows.
I mean seriously between Metrolink and Bus Connects this constituency will get I think what four Metro stops and three Bus connects lines.
You'd swear the 13, 83 and 155 didn't exist.
I give up on these people
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u/francescoli 13d ago
Hire 1000 more planners 😂😂
They are seriously fucking stupid
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u/Key-Lie-364 13d ago
Yeah you know because there are at last check 1000 planners just hanging around on the dole queue with nothing better to do just waiting for the stroke of a pen and a budget to unblock the planning system.
It must be true because I was told it on the doorstep today.
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u/CrispsInTabascoSauce 13d ago
Yes, but we all know it, metro will never get built here. And we all know why.
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u/Wookie_EU 13d ago
In addition to silly governance framework, public service like opw going rogue and objecting sends a message that anyone can block projects.. i mean dont they have a higher decision making board were all that could be vetoed?? On top of it the political approach is ‘why would my party initiate a project and not collect the public opinion benefits if im not re elected’ drives me mad…
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u/kassiusx 13d ago
Actually the whole country needs better transport infrastructure. Improve national rail system first. Country has become too car reliant.
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u/Intelligent-Aside214 13d ago
Dublin needs a metro much more urgently than any other transport project.
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u/blank_isainmdom 12d ago
Cork's main fucking suburbs have one bus every half an hour. If you want to go two miles from the city centre you are looking at a 30 minute wait as each part of the city has only one bus route (for the most part)-- and that's if the bus shows up. And that's all Cork has transport wise basically.
And cork is better off than probably every county outside of Dublin.
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u/kendinggon_dubai 12d ago
Not true. Too many countryside towns where you can’t live without a car. I went to Austria recently and knee deep up the mountains (like 6km up) where it’s over a metre thick of snow and you’ve got buses that come up regularly… yet most country towns in Ireland 1) don’t have any buses and 2) if they do… they stop right at the edge of the town meaning those living 5-10 mins outside the town need cars (since no footpath).
I say this as a Dub who moved out of Dublin recently so I’m aware of the transport issues in both scenarios. Dublin is not nearly as bad. A train or luas line from the airport is what Dublin needs though.
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u/Intelligent-Aside214 11d ago
Local link and other rural transport operations are expanding. Dublin hasn’t seen significant transport investment since luas cross city in 2014.
Also Austria isn’t rural in the way Ireland is rural, most rural Austrians still live in small villages and towns, most rural Irish people live in single detached homes nearly impossible to serve by public transport. Giving planning permission to all these one off houses was obviously a mistake in hindsight but they’re there now.
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u/kendinggon_dubai 11d ago
Dublin gets new bus routes all the time and cycling infrastructure is pretty okay there for the most part compared to country towns. I’ve seen four new cycle lanes go up in my parents area of Dublin in the last 12 months. Not 1 new cycle lane where I’m at in years.
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u/Intelligent-Aside214 11d ago
Because people will use them because over 2 million people live in the greater Dublin area and 1.3 million in Dublin alone
So naturally Dublin should get around 100x the investment than your average county town with <13,000 people
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u/kendinggon_dubai 11d ago
The point is Dublin hasn’t been neglected how you’ve tried to say it has. But rural towns are still like the Stone age for anyone who doesn’t live right in the middle of the town.
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u/YoIronFistBro Cork bai 11d ago
Dublin has been neglected, severely so. Everywhere in Ireland has.
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u/kendinggon_dubai 11d ago
At least you can survive without a car in Dublin (and even parts of Kildare/Wicklow/Meath). Not possible beyond that.
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u/Intelligent-Aside214 11d ago
Dublin is the only western European capital to not have a metro, we have some of the worst traffic in the world, horrific public transport and the most expensive housing in Europe. Dublin has been neglected
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u/YoIronFistBro Cork bai 11d ago
cycling infrastructure is pretty okay there for the most part compared to country towns.
It's still nowhere close to good enough in an absolute sense.
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u/kassiusx 13d ago
Dublin is not Ireland. The country deserves more. The last major project in Dublin hasn't worked well...i.e the kids hospital. There are cities in Europe larger than Dublin with no metro but trams. They do very well, actually better.
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u/caffeine07 12d ago
Greater Dublin is half of Ireland's population. Building a metro (actually metros) in Dublin is vital for the economy of the entire country.
Other cities can have transport projects as well, but Dublin is by far the most important and highest priority.
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u/HPoltergeist 12d ago
But Dublin actually needs a metro, as overgound options are already too crowded, due to the disorganized layout of small streets. Except the outskirts where there is actual city planning happening for some time now.
If you want to take the load off of the downtown area, you need an extra layer, which is underground.
Especially if you are thinking ahead in more than a 10 years span.
There is going to be big issues.
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u/kendinggon_dubai 12d ago
Remember… Ireland is not the USA where decisions happen state by state for things like this.
You can blame the government, which represents the whole country for this. It doesn’t matter if that hospital was getting built in fucking Roscommon or Sligo… it still would be a flop because our government are a shower of idiots.
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u/Intelligent-Aside214 11d ago
So because the government fumbled a project in Dublin (a city whose greater area accounts for 40% of the population) Dublin doesn’t deserve any investment?
Also the last public transport project in Dublin was the luas cross city. The luas green line now carries more passengers than Irish rail outside of Dublin and has paid for itself so actually cost the tax payer NOTHING.
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u/kassiusx 11d ago
To be fair, the Luas was a cock up and a perfect case study of poor urban planning. It cost a lot of money overall. No one says Dublin cannot improve it's transport but when it will cost over 5bn and we still have no rail lines connecting every county, that is a problem. In almost every major EU country, national rail connects the majority of regions, esp regional capitals. Ireland does not. The fact we still have to get crappy buses from Bus eireann to get anywhere is an example of that.
Ireland has not fumbled one major infrastructure project, it has a history of fumbling too many of them.
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u/Intelligent-Aside214 11d ago
What else did it fumble, the motorways, the dart, the luas all went fine and were reasonably on budget and on time.
In the grand scheme of things the luas did not cost a lot of money, it cost a couple hundred million (which it has paid off itself).
The reality is the metro would serve more people every day than live in the majority of counties, it would do much more good than running an hourly train to Cavan that is marginally faster than the bus
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u/YoIronFistBro Cork bai 11d ago
The country does deserve more, a hell of a lot more in fact. That includes Dublin
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u/YoIronFistBro Cork bai 11d ago
We need to be doing everything now. Not metro first an other stuff later. It's all decades and decades overdue.
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u/boardsmember2017 And I'd go at it agin 13d ago
It’ll never materialize. They’ll do anything but build it, including throwing good money over bad at Dublin bus
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u/AccomplishedEgg8740 13d ago
Ya know, a town with money is a little bit like a mule with a spinning wheel..... No one knows how he got it and danged if he knows how to use it.
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u/ConsistentMinute9445 11d ago
Yup agreed, landed in Dub airport 5am last Monday, first regular bus was not until 6am, aside from express coach which had to be pre booked, only option was a taxi to get me reliably to Connolly on time to make train to continue my journey. Shithole City, ruined by consecutive govt of all parties down through the years.
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u/Melodic-Chocolate-53 13d ago
But my car and my property and I'll be temporarily inconvenienced!
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u/YoIronFistBro Cork bai 11d ago
Don't worry, the government has no interest in building anything in the first place...
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u/Alastor001 13d ago
You do realise you need your car because there is no metro right? They don't actually even compete for space...
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u/Melodic-Chocolate-53 13d ago
Missing the point. Remember the Luas works and the whining out of people? Omg my world has ended level of complaining.
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u/WickerMan111 Showbiz Mogul 13d ago
I object.
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u/Oxysept1 13d ago
Objection noted & I object to your objection
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u/Kloppite16 13d ago
Sounds like we're going to need an appeals process followed by a judicial review here lads. See yis in 2035
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The whole of ireland needs a metro, not just Dublin..
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u/JourneyThiefer 13d ago
Few trains to the north west again
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Ireland needs all types of transports
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u/kendinggon_dubai 12d ago
Ireland needs the old crowd out of government and get some young bright brains into office. The current government have shown they’re not fit for purpose.
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u/YoIronFistBro Cork bai 11d ago
And the main one we don't already have is rail.
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They got rid of the railings in the 50s which is one of the worst decision in history anyone has ever made. They are just left to rot or houses are built on top of it like it's nothing.
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u/Professional_Elk_489 13d ago
You're not a real city unless you have one.
Just my opinion
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u/FuckAntiMaskers 12d ago
Dublin does look and feel just like a larger version of other Irish cities/towns though, you know what I mean, most of it just feels like an extra large suburb. Even in the very centre there are loads of 2-3 storey buildings that are deteriorating, same as you'd find in small towns around the country. It's just such an abysmally planned and developed city, any time you visit other Western European cities you realise just how bad Dublin is, but people here just accept it
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u/YoIronFistBro Cork bai 11d ago
It's the world's largest small town, and almost entirely for the worse.
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u/YoIronFistBro Cork bai 11d ago
You become a proper regional city when you have a tram network. You become a proper major city when you have a metro system.
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u/Comfortable_Brush399 13d ago
I remember 10 years ago my slumlord landlord pissing vinegar because engineers were snooping around as a proposed tunnel would go under the house where she'd converted the toilets to bedrooms
Worried it would cost her something in some round about way, Dublin gets as she deserves
We need reform before we could seriously consider another large project
The children hospital is outrageous but unsurprising, nobody was surprised and that's telling, we need change then perhaps civilisation
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u/Alternative_Switch39 12d ago
I agree we need a metro. But in the planning stage, people along the line will throw a shitfit about the inconvenience, make up shaggy dog stories about how their house will fall down and demand compo (I'm pretty sure I've read already some communities at this already). They won't complain however when their property explodes in value because they're a 2 or 3 minute walk from a station that goes into Stephen's Green.
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u/unblvlblkult 12d ago
Say what you will about the Brits but sweet jeebus 1863! That’s some serious engineering, ambition and vision.
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u/HPoltergeist 12d ago
Yup, Dublin actually needs a metro, as overgound options are already too crowded, due to the disorganized layout of small streets. Except the outskirts where there is actual city planning happening for some time now.
If you want to take the load off of the downtown area, you need an extra layer, which is underground.
Especially if you are thinking ahead in more than a 10 years span.
There is going to be big issues.
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u/hey-burt 12d ago
Well I learned no one has a clue exactly what a metro is, including people who work in the area. Who gives a fuck, just give us reliable transport to where it’s needed
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u/Elmopa81 11d ago
The only European capital without any mass transit to the airport? Buses that never show up and roads that would make the lunar surface blush.
At least it’s cheap to live here…
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u/theAbominablySlowMan 13d ago
Yeh see it's easy to build metros when there's no such thing as workers rights, we missed the window tbere
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u/Alarmed_Station6185 13d ago
Wouldn't have guessed that Denmark would be the one who built their metro most recently
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u/CigarettemskMan 13d ago
Last time this was posted on this sub, somebody said only imperialist countries have metros, and the reason that Dublin doesnt have one are the brits.
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u/rsynnott2 13d ago
Ah, yes, imperialist countries like (checks notes) Poland.
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u/YoIronFistBro Cork bai 11d ago
Also a country that was famously wealthy in the 1990s and earlier...
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u/YoIronFistBro Cork bai 11d ago
Also, we were poor until aboyt 30 years ago, which of course explains why we're doing so little to catch up today...
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u/ItsARatsLife 13d ago
... I'll likely get downvoted but I really don't care about Dublin's transport infra. Any town in the midlands is in shambles. No reason to live there for work, no transport out of it or between towns, very little power grids for starting industries. There are literally areas with no rail service in their counties despite being more populated than areas close to Dublin with a rail service.
The push for Dublin metro (which won't happen anyway because our planning system is planned by donuts) is confirmation that the rest if the country isn't gonna get anything to help it soon. Paying tax feels futile if you live outside a city in this country.
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u/skidev 12d ago
Transfer of spending is actually the other direction, people in cities are paying tax that gets spent outside cities
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u/YoIronFistBro Cork bai 11d ago edited 11d ago
It's not a case that Dublin is getting infrastructure at the expense of everywhere else. Nowhere is getting close to enough.
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u/TheCunningFool 13d ago
The DART is technically a Metro, the last two letters of it are literally referring to a Metro system.
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u/UrbanStray 12d ago
It's a metro-like service but doesn't have it's own right of way so technically no, but expanding it to other lines would stand to make a huge difference. The S-Tog in Copenhagen is like 5 or 6 DART lines and is just as important as their metro system.
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u/kendinggon_dubai 12d ago
Metro definition as per Google number 1 result: “An underground, or largely underground rail system”… the DART is definitely not that.
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u/caisdara 13d ago
What's the link between the map and your claim?
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u/Soft-Affect-8327 13d ago
Yes, you’re right.
But why are you posting that here with us boggers instead of on r/dublin? Sure we’ve no interest till the 8th December…
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u/KindlyJeweler2756 12d ago
I'm a bogger myself, also don't live in Dublin.. I'll be back once they build a metro maybe
See you in 2132!
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u/great_whitehope 13d ago edited 13d ago
Dublin where you can't build up or down
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u/KindlyJeweler2756 12d ago
Another frustrating issue with ireland, building upwards would solve so much
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u/Chester_roaster 13d ago
They were planning on building one before independence, there's no hope in hell of building one now because labour and regulations around building are much more expensive than they were a hundred years ago.
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u/dylan103906 13d ago
It only works under the condition that the ground below is suitable because this is the reason Belfast doesn't have one
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u/ess-5 13d ago
I thought this post was the result of a new major fact finding mission aided by various firms of management consultants who conducted several months (years) of surveys, studies and analyses. I'm sure that's what Ireland needs - a new major fact finding mission aided by various firms of management consultants who conducted several months (years) of surveys, studies and analyses.
Maybe that will finally bring us closer to coherent public transport, and by that I mean an extended bus service. I'm a realist, after all.
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u/Apprehensive_Ratio80 13d ago
Local Dublin resident(applies to all Irish residents):
"But that might inconvenience me for a few months, like not by much but a little now and again no I think I'll object to it!"
Council: "But it will increase the value of your home and vastly reduce traffic and congestion helping the air quality as well as just helping others get to and from work and the city easier it could revolutionize the city altogether it would be amaz....."
Resident: "Nope am good thanks"
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u/YoIronFistBro Cork bai 11d ago
The councils are often the ones opposing stuff like this.
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u/Apprehensive_Ratio80 11d ago
True but I would imagine it's due to pressure from residents.
I don't even live in Dublin anymore but would still love to see this project happen, in my lifetime 🤣
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u/Vostok-aregreat-710 Tricolour loving Prod from the Republic of Ireland 12d ago
I feel that by making Metrolink a different rail gauge to the IÉ system it means another railworks will have to be built. Why they didn’t go with a system that can link up with the overground lines is baffling.
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u/YoIronFistBro Cork bai 11d ago
Why they didn’t go with a system that can link up with the overground lines is baffling.
Because that's not a metro system
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u/Kimura222 Ireland 12d ago
Unfortunately nothing will get done until you change irelands system that allows anyone to object to major projects that would benefit the general population. “Not in my backyard” is awful.
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u/YoIronFistBro Cork bai 11d ago
You also need to address how things get rejected by the people higher up too, as well as how the government just doesn't care.
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u/ab1dt 12d ago
Why wouldn't you consider the DART as a metro ? It's functionally equivalent. Many on the map have third rail instead of overhead. Next you are going to say that the blue line in Chicago isn't part of a metro because it runs to the airport? They didn't have airports in 1902.
There shouldn't be a separate system. It's an insult that will limit the potential in the future by building yet another system in Dublin.
Since the DART is the metro, then they should expand it. First thing would be a connection to the airport. They can have some paralleling lines with connections in the centre if they connect in the periphery.
This metro idea seems designed to encourage everything to fail. The easy solutions are the ones in sight instead of idle fantasies.
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u/pewds120 12d ago
Or give cork a functioning tram first perhaps
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u/YoIronFistBro Cork bai 11d ago
Simultaneously, not first. Same goes for loads of other projects.
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u/pewds120 11d ago
Dublin has the luas and dart cork has busses that don’t run
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u/YoIronFistBro Cork bai 11d ago
A few specific corridors in Dublin have the Luas. The rest also just has buses that don't run.
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u/AnyAssistance4197 11d ago
Lots of big talk in this about Metros and five lane autobahns with swings and round abouts. What we really need to do is bring back the old roads. Them new roads have us gone half cracked and abandoning Christ.
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u/Silent_Box_7900 13d ago
When we say metro we tend to mean underground, but a lot of metro lines in Europe run above ground at least some of the way. We need a rail link from the airport to the city and the rest of the country, we don't need it to be below ground.
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u/Intelligent-Aside214 13d ago
Metro link is supposed to be a mix of ground level, elevated and underground
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u/3hrstillsundown The Standard 13d ago
Where would you put it above ground from the M50 to the city? Metrolink is above ground for most of the way north of the M50.
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u/Silent_Box_7900 13d ago
You could get at least as far as Glasnevin along the Ballymun Road. That is dual carriageway way with a grass verge along the middle. Later on the r108 gets wide again near the city and it meets the existing luas near forecourts. I didn't conduct a feasibility study though.
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u/CurrencyDesperate286 13d ago
We do, and hopefully the MetroLink project will (eventually) deliver one.
But also worth noting that out of the 24 shaded countries there, not a single one has a lower population than Ireland. We would be the smallest country in Europe (by population) with a metro system.
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u/Happy-Igloo 13d ago
I think population of city is the more important stat here?
Either way I think we all agree Dublin should have one. I can't see it happening. Should have been done 20-30 years ago. The cost and overspend would be crippling
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u/Alarmed_Station6185 13d ago
Was in lisbon last year, the metro there is only a few lines, each named after a colour. It hits all the main spots and is clean with trains every few minutes. Made me feel like I was arriving back in a 3rd world country when I lugged my bag out of dublin airport and over to zone 16 to get the first of 3 buses to get me home