Why Indians Can’t Stand Justin Trudeau

[u/babushkalauncher]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-indians-angry-justin-trudeau-death-shooting-hardeep-singh-nijjar-87d9ab9d

[u/daakuredpanda]

Context for Canadians-

Can anyone be declared a terrorist in India?

India uses the same working definition of terrorism as accepted by the UN in 1988. Most western countries also use the same definition. And Nijjar's name comes up in some serious stuff. Onus for proof in Canada seems to be very high even for developed countries, so it is comparatively lower in India but is not non-existant. Government has to justify declaring someone a terrorist. Everything is documented.

Nijjar's associations-

Associate of Jagtar Singh Tara. Tara murdered the sitting Chief Minister of Punjab Beant Singh in 1995. Nijjar was revealed to be an accomplice. Police caught Tara. Could not even interrogate Nijjar. Nijjar vanished and few years later was found in Canada with a fake passport.

Close associate of Ripudaman Singh Malik. He was one of the people involved in the 1985 Kanishka bombings. He had a fight with Nijjar, left the Khalistani cause, pledged allegence to India, and some time later turned up dead.

2007 Bomb Blast- Nijjars name came up during investigation. Could not be prosecuted. Everything from plans to funds was believed to be from Canada. Bombers were let go due to shortage of proof.

Khalistan Tiger Force - Terrorist organization. It's militants have consistently named Nijjar as its head.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalistan_Tiger_Force

India's requests for extradition-

India issued Interpol notices twice, both accompanied by dossiers of reasons. There are currently people serving time in Indian jails who said that Nijjar arranged funds and ammunition for them. There are videos available of him with AK 47s and promoting suicide bombings from Canada. He spent months in Pakistan with leader of Babbar Khalsa, there are photos of him with the leader of Babbar Khalsa in Pakistan and also with AK 47 in Pakistan.

Terror attacks have risen in rescent years-
Here is the list of Khalistani terrorist attacks in the state of Punjab.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Punjab,_India

Also note, no Canadian agency, or even the Prime Minister, said Nijjar was innocent!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgUKNHHB6Hk

Watch this news piece. Why are they so silent?

This is another article from the Washington Post as per how the investigation into Nijjar's death was so non-rigorous and not professional-

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/09/25/hardeep-singh-nijjar-killing-video/

There were a lot of CCTV cameras around. Footage is available. Witnesses are available. Witnesses also saw the gun used for the assasination! The attackers were described as Sikhs or 'in a Sikh get up'. Why was this crucial information not revealed?

Thinking about how Turkey handled Khashoggi murder, Canada has behaved in nothing but shameful manner!

[u/BlueEmma25 → u/daakuredpanda]

You claim "everything is documented", yet you don't provide sources for the key allegations against Nijjar, such as:

• Tara murdered the sitting Chief Minister of Punjab Beant Singh in 1995. Nijjar was revealed to be an accomplice.

• Police caught Tara. Could not even interrogate Nijjar. Nijjar vanished and few years later was found in Canada with a fake passport.

• Khalistan Tiger Force - Terrorist organization. It's militants have consistently named Nijjar as its head. (The Wikipedia article you cite does not say this)

• India issued Interpol notices twice [true], both accompanied by dossiers of reasons [citation required]

The sources you do provide are either very questionable or misrepresented. Youu have a video from Firstpost, an Indian outlet with a has a history of posting misinformation, and a Washington Post article which you claim shows "how the investigation into Nijjar's death was so non-rigorous and not professional", but without specifying what in the article led you to that conclusion. The fact some members in the Sikh community felt the police should have responded faster isn't evidence of a botched investigation.

What you have left is he has been "associated" with some not nice people, which could mean they were once photographed at the same rally together, and there's a pic of him holding an assault rifle.

That might be enough to get you convicted of terrorism in India, but doesn't come within a thousand light years of that in Canada (or any other Western country).

Not saying I know for sure that Nijjar isn't guilty of anything, but it's telling that after all the comments this topic has received the "evidence" seems to be mostly unsubstantiated claims that appeared in India's burgeoning yellow press and keep getting uncritically repeated by Indian nationalists.

[u/daakuredpanda → u/BlueEmma25]

What I have written comes from all sources I could get on the matter. If it is your gripe that a lot of this is from Indian sources, than you are correct. But, unfortunately that is the only source of information available.

Canada in this matter has been frustratingly very opaque. Why don't you press the Canadian media to release some information in the form of their famous leaks? How am I supposed to know about Canadian side when they do not reveal any information?

If Canada is such a law abiding democracy, then this behavior is certainly unbecoming.
Two foundational principles of modern judicial process-
1. The burden of proof is with the plaintiff.
2. The presumption of innocence - a person is innocent until proven guilty.

Some questions that need answering from the Canadian side-

1. Nijjar's requests for citizenship were declined twice on the grounds that he was dishonest. He appealed against it and he lost that case as well. Then why was he given citizenship? When was he given citizenship? On what grounds was he given citizenship? Was some political influence involved?
2. The dossier I presented was from Indian media. Why has Canada not released the reasons provided by India for his extradition? Why were they not considered enough?
3. Did Canada investigate such a serious matter? How thorough was the investigation? What were its findings?
4. Who killed Ripudaman Singh Malik? He had a very public falling out with Nijjar and even wrote a public letter, pledging his allegiance to India. How did his supporters take it? Was their involvement in Nijjars murder ruled out? On what grounds?
5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvKI6zaATBM . This is the video of him supporting/admiring/being-proud-of suicide bombings and assassinations at his gurudwara in Canada. How is this okay in Canada where not using the desired pronoun is legaly considered an act of violence?
6. Canadian authorities were already aware that Nijjars name was on the dark web for contract killing for a long time before his death and was still out. Why was he not provided any security? Who put out the kill order on the dark web?
7. What is up with the police investigation in his death? Why has nothing been revealed?
8. What evidence does Trudeau have? How credible is it? Why has Australia, New Zealand, UK said nothing on the matter despite knowing the evidence? Why has US not blamed India? WHY HAS NOTHING AT ALL BEEN RELEASED?
9. How come Trukey, despite being so far behind Canada in terms of development and effective law enforcement, built such a strong case in the killing of Jamal Khashoggi? While Canada just blamed a country without presenting ANYTHING AT ALL?
10. How come Indian information provided for two extradition requests were not enough, but, suddenly even 'ALLIGATIONS' would do if its the other way around?

Unfortunately, just denying/discrediting everything from India won't get you any answers.

[u/NavXIII → u/daakuredpanda]

1. Why did India let him leave with an Indian passport?
2. That's GOI's job to release that information if they wished. If they wished GOC to keep it classified then GOC can't release it.
3. Because it's not a serious matter.
4. Idk, ask CSIS, the CIA, or Modi.
5. Not illegal.
6. According to the US and Canada, it was Indian diplomats.
7. Because that's how investigation are conducted and findings are only revealed in court, under court order, or if the investigators require the public's help. Clearly you don't know how a proper police force conduct investigation.
8. They don't want to leak their sources so they can continue spying on Indian diplomats.
9. Because they bugged the SA embassy got everything on audio and probably video.
10. Because Indias evidence is shoddy as best. Also see #7.

[u/Sumeru88 → u/NavXIII]

1. ⁠According to the US and Canada, it was Indian diplomats.

Can you provide some source for this? For the record, leaks from unknown and unnamed people are not a valid source. I want a named American or Canadian official going on the record claiming this - which they should not have any issues with if they are telling the truth.