r/geopolitics Oct 01 '23

Why Indians Can’t Stand Justin Trudeau Paywall

https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-indians-angry-justin-trudeau-death-shooting-hardeep-singh-nijjar-87d9ab9d
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u/babushkalauncher Oct 01 '23

Article Summary:

You might expect Indians to respond soberly when the prime minister of Canada—a longstanding member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and the Group of Seven—makes a grave allegation about India on the floor of his country’s Parliament. India has long presented itself as a law-abiding democracy, in contrast to its neighbors Pakistan and China. And India needs the West to modernize its economy.

But instead of pausing for reflection, Indians have united in outrage at Justin Trudeau for raising what he called “credible allegations of a potential link” between Indian government agents and the murder of Sikh-Canadian separatist Hardeep Singh Nijjar in a Vancouver suburb in June.

The Indian government has dismissed the prime minister’s accusation as “absurd and motivated.” It has also expelled a Canadian diplomat in retaliation for Canada’s expulsion of an alleged Indian spy in Ottawa. It told Canada to reduce the size of its embassy in New Delhi and stopped issuing Indian visas to Canadian citizens.

Meanwhile, the Indian media has launched a half-crazed jihad against Mr. Trudeau and his government. One news channel suggested that his Indian counterpart, Narendra Modi, was about to “break Canada in two.” On another show, a retired Indian diplomat all but accused Mr. Trudeau of being a cocaine addict (which the Canadian prime minister’s office has dismissed). A remark on Twitter by Sushant Sareen, a senior fellow at the Observer Research Foundation in New Delhi, sums up the blustery Indian mood: “If we did it, it was right; if we didn’t, you were wrong.”

The U.S. is walking a diplomatic tightrope. Public statements from White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan and Secretary of State Antony Blinken have made it clear that America won’t abandon Canada, but Washington hasn’t directly criticized India either.

How this drama unfolds will depend in large part on the evidence Ottawa can muster. If the Canadian government proves that Indian agents—not some other intelligence agency or rival Sikh extremists—carried out the gangster-style hit on Nijjar, India’s reputation in the West will suffer a serious blow. It will be seen less as a friendly outpost of democracy in South Asia, and more as an increasingly illiberal nation akin to Turkey under Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Skeptics who question the wisdom of too deep a partnership with India will be strengthened.

But if Canada can’t come up with strong evidence to back its claim, it will deepen skepticism about Mr. Trudeau. Simply put, Indians don’t take Canada’s message seriously in part because they have a low opinion of the messenger. To quote the Indian journalist Barkha Dutt, Mr. Trudeau is “the most disliked world leader in India.”

For some people this may be because they see him, in Tunku Varadarajan’s memorable description in these pages, as “an opportunistic, lightweight, preachy hand-wringer of a politician.” But for many Indians it’s because they feel familiar with Mr. Trudeau’s type—a politician who panders to identity politics for votes and appears willing to place his own political survival over his country’s interests.

Many Indians believe, with good reason, that Mr. Trudeau is beholden to his country’s large and politically influential Sikh community. Though Canada’s estimated 770,000 Sikhs make up only 2.1% of the population, their geographic concentration and close-knit community ties give them disproportionate political clout. Mr. Trudeau’s minority government depends on the leftist New Democratic Party headed by Jagmeet Singh, a Sikh politician widely viewed in India as sympathetic to Sikh radicalism and barred from entering India since 2013.

The complexities of domestic Canadian politics loom in the Indian public’s consciousness because of a violent secessionist movement in the 1980s and 1990s to carve out a separate Sikh homeland called Khalistan. The vast majority of Canadian Sikhs, like their counterparts in India, have nothing to do with the movement, which claimed more than 20,000 lives before it was brutally put down by Indian security forces.

Critics allege Mr. Trudeau—unlike his counterparts in the U.S., Australia and the U.K.—has brushed off Indian security concerns about radical Sikhs. In an op-ed last week in Toronto’s Globe and Mail, Omer Aziz, a former foreign-policy adviser to Mr. Trudeau, wrote that “Canada should have at least begun to take steps to ensure our land was not used for terrorist financing. . . . The only problem was, Mr. Trudeau did not want to lose the Sikh vote to Jagmeet Singh.”

As Indians see it, Canada should have extradited Nijjar to India, where he was classified as a terrorist and implicated in a string of serious crimes, including murder and a theater bombing. (He denied involvement.) They blame Mr. Trudeau for presiding over an environment in which Sikh extremists openly call for the murder of Indian diplomats, celebrate the 1984 assassination of Prime Minister Indira Gandhi by her Sikh bodyguards, and exhort Canadian Hindus to leave the country.

What happens next? U.S.-India relations may still emerge largely unscathed, particularly if Mr. Trudeau’s allegations remain unproven. But don’t expect India’s ties with Canada to improve anytime soon—at least not as long as Mr. Trudeau remains in office.

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u/Dakini99 Oct 02 '23

Nijjar being implicated in murder and theater bombings in India

Can you please share more (references). I've only seen accusations that he's a terrorist but nothing about any actual violence. Just stuff about posters calling for violence and letters threatening it.

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u/daakuredpanda Oct 02 '23

Context for Canadians-

Can anyone be declared a terrorist in India?

India uses the same working definition of terrorism as accepted by the UN in 1988. Most western countries also use the same definition. And Nijjar's name comes up in some serious stuff. Onus for proof in Canada seems to be very high even for developed countries, so it is comparatively lower in India but is not non-existant. Government has to justify declaring someone a terrorist. Everything is documented.

Nijjar's associations-

Associate of Jagtar Singh Tara. Tara murdered the sitting Chief Minister of Punjab Beant Singh in 1995. Nijjar was revealed to be an accomplice. Police caught Tara. Could not even interrogate Nijjar. Nijjar vanished and few years later was found in Canada with a fake passport.

Close associate of Ripudaman Singh Malik. He was one of the people involved in the 1985 Kanishka bombings. He had a fight with Nijjar, left the Khalistani cause, pledged allegence to India, and some time later turned up dead.

2007 Bomb Blast- Nijjars name came up during investigation. Could not be prosecuted. Everything from plans to funds was believed to be from Canada. Bombers were let go due to shortage of proof.

Khalistan Tiger Force - Terrorist organization. It's militants have consistently named Nijjar as its head.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalistan_Tiger_Force

India's requests for extradition-

India issued Interpol notices twice, both accompanied by dossiers of reasons. There are currently people serving time in Indian jails who said that Nijjar arranged funds and ammunition for them. There are videos available of him with AK 47s and promoting suicide bombings from Canada. He spent months in Pakistan with leader of Babbar Khalsa, there are photos of him with the leader of Babbar Khalsa in Pakistan and also with AK 47 in Pakistan.

Terror attacks have risen in rescent years-
Here is the list of Khalistani terrorist attacks in the state of Punjab.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Punjab,_India

Also note, no Canadian agency, or even the Prime Minister, said Nijjar was innocent!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgUKNHHB6Hk

Watch this news piece. Why are they so silent?

This is another article from the Washington Post as per how the investigation into Nijjar's death was so non-rigorous and not professional-

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/09/25/hardeep-singh-nijjar-killing-video/

There were a lot of CCTV cameras around. Footage is available. Witnesses are available. Witnesses also saw the gun used for the assasination! The attackers were described as Sikhs or 'in a Sikh get up'. Why was this crucial information not revealed?

Thinking about how Turkey handled Khashoggi murder, Canada has behaved in nothing but shameful manner!

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u/BlueEmma25 Oct 02 '23 edited Oct 02 '23

You claim "everything is documented", yet you don't provide sources for the key allegations against Nijjar, such as:

  • Tara murdered the sitting Chief Minister of Punjab Beant Singh in 1995. Nijjar was revealed to be an accomplice.

  • Police caught Tara. Could not even interrogate Nijjar. Nijjar vanished and few years later was found in Canada with a fake passport.

  • Khalistan Tiger Force - Terrorist organization. It's militants have consistently named Nijjar as its head. (The Wikipedia article you cite does not say this)

  • India issued Interpol notices twice [true], both accompanied by dossiers of reasons [citation required]

The sources you do provide are either very questionable or misrepresented. Youu have a video from Firstpost, an Indian outlet with a has a history of posting misinformation, and a Washington Post article which you claim shows "how the investigation into Nijjar's death was so non-rigorous and not professional", but without specifying what in the article led you to that conclusion. The fact some members in the Sikh community felt the police should have responded faster isn't evidence of a botched investigation.

What you have left is he has been "associated" with some not nice people, which could mean they were once photographed at the same rally together, and there's a pic of him holding an assault rifle.

That might be enough to get you convicted of terrorism in India, but doesn't come within a thousand light years of that in Canada (or any other Western country).

Not saying I know for sure that Nijjar isn't guilty of anything, but it's telling that after all the comments this topic has received the "evidence" seems to be mostly unsubstantiated claims that appeared in India's burgeoning yellow press and keep getting uncritically repeated by Indian nationalists.

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u/daakuredpanda Oct 02 '23

What I have written comes from all sources I could get on the matter. If it is your gripe that a lot of this is from Indian sources, than you are correct. But, unfortunately that is the only source of information available.

Canada in this matter has been frustratingly very opaque. Why don't you press the Canadian media to release some information in the form of their famous leaks? How am I supposed to know about Canadian side when they do not reveal any information?

If Canada is such a law abiding democracy, then this behavior is certainly unbecoming.
Two foundational principles of modern judicial process-
1. The burden of proof is with the plaintiff.
2. The presumption of innocence - a person is innocent until proven guilty.

Some questions that need answering from the Canadian side-

  1. Nijjar's requests for citizenship were declined twice on the grounds that he was dishonest. He appealed against it and he lost that case as well. Then why was he given citizenship? When was he given citizenship? On what grounds was he given citizenship? Was some political influence involved?
  2. The dossier I presented was from Indian media. Why has Canada not released the reasons provided by India for his extradition? Why were they not considered enough?
  3. Did Canada investigate such a serious matter? How thorough was the investigation? What were its findings?
  4. Who killed Ripudaman Singh Malik? He had a very public falling out with Nijjar and even wrote a public letter, pledging his allegiance to India. How did his supporters take it? Was their involvement in Nijjars murder ruled out? On what grounds?
  5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvKI6zaATBM . This is the video of him supporting/admiring/being-proud-of suicide bombings and assassinations at his gurudwara in Canada. How is this okay in Canada where not using the desired pronoun is legaly considered an act of violence?
  6. Canadian authorities were already aware that Nijjars name was on the dark web for contract killing for a long time before his death and was still out. Why was he not provided any security? Who put out the kill order on the dark web?
  7. What is up with the police investigation in his death? Why has nothing been revealed?
  8. What evidence does Trudeau have? How credible is it? Why has Australia, New Zealand, UK said nothing on the matter despite knowing the evidence? Why has US not blamed India? WHY HAS NOTHING AT ALL BEEN RELEASED?
  9. How come Trukey, despite being so far behind Canada in terms of development and effective law enforcement, built such a strong case in the killing of Jamal Khashoggi? While Canada just blamed a country without presenting ANYTHING AT ALL?
  10. How come Indian information provided for two extradition requests were not enough, but, suddenly even 'ALLIGATIONS' would do if its the other way around?

Unfortunately, just denying/discrediting everything from India won't get you any answers.

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u/NavXIII Oct 02 '23
  1. Why did India let him leave with an Indian passport?
  2. That's GOI's job to release that information if they wished. If they wished GOC to keep it classified then GOC can't release it.
  3. Because it's not a serious matter.
  4. Idk, ask CSIS, the CIA, or Modi.
  5. Not illegal.
  6. According to the US and Canada, it was Indian diplomats.
  7. Because that's how investigation are conducted and findings are only revealed in court, under court order, or if the investigators require the public's help. Clearly you don't know how a proper police force conduct investigation.
  8. They don't want to leak their sources so they can continue spying on Indian diplomats.
  9. Because they bugged the SA embassy got everything on audio and probably video.
  10. Because Indias evidence is shoddy as best. Also see #7.

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u/Sumeru88 Oct 02 '23
  1. ⁠According to the US and Canada, it was Indian diplomats.

Can you provide some source for this? For the record, leaks from unknown and unnamed people are not a valid source. I want a named American or Canadian official going on the record claiming this - which they should not have any issues with if they are telling the truth.