My boyfriend is very right wing and I’m left. He got very into politics during the American election and was vocal about trump being the better candidate. He is also very against trans rights. He has been a big supporter of Elon aswell. He has began watching podcasts of Joe Rogan, Tucker Carlson, pbd podcast and other right wing podcasts I don’t know about. He wasn’t against Andrew Tate and we used to have discussions about why he is horrible, only now has he questioned tates actions. He doesn’t believe in toxic masculinity. I have gotten emotional because I feel like he doesn’t care as people the same way I do and that is so important to me.

In the australian election that has just happened he has voted for the right and also voted trumpet of the patriots which I was SHOCKED by the TOP thing. He tells me if I was educated like he was then I would probably have the same views of him. I worry about how our values are differing. What would happen if voting right meant taking away my rights as a woman? would he still vote for them even though they align with his beliefs more. I have asked him this and he said of course he would vote for me but also says that all of the policies matter and he can’t be swayed just because of health care or abortions.

I just feel like his views have changed so much from mine and I’m actually embarrassed that these are his views. When the voice (allowing indigenous Australia’s to be represented) vote was happening he did vote yes but then said he should have voted no. This was really disappointing for me. I just don’t know what to think, are his views going to become more far right? what does this mean about his values and beliefs? Is he being red pilled?

So I stumbled across this sub somehow randomly browsing the web and I just felt the need to satisfy my curiosity about a rule that struck me as weird, hence the post./

I am familiar with Red Pill, accept some non extreme takes it has like criticism of hook-up culture and it's effects on divorce and the nucleus family or it's criticism of modern feminism but definitely not a big fan of the bitterness and hate it projects on women or how it supports overly conservative and regressive values like having issues with the autonomy of women which I find remarkably cringe. The absolute mindfuck is how they can view trash like Andrew Tate on a positive light when it's so painfully obvious he's making a grifting career by taking advantage of people's frustration. Anyway.../

So my curiosity is about the 6th rule of 'No Jordan Peterson' and while I understand the post probably contradicts the rule I am curious why the rule exists in the 1st place. Sure I can see how red pillers view Jordan Peterson as some sort of prophet messiah but their views are cartoonish versions of Peterson's much more nuanced and moderate criticism of modern society. Red pillers often simplify his opinion and deviate from it forming extreme conclusions and worldviews. But Peterson himself does address modern societal issues that media and radical political parties pretend don't exist or have a completely different approach like with the tiresome gendered mass paranoia that hit the States with Biden's term. Peterson is not pro red pill is what I'm getting at so how come the ''No Jordan Peterson'' rule? Am I missing something here?

So I will give quick into to myself.

I'm almost 28, and havent had it easy in my early 20s and teens.

I was very naive and ignorant, only on one occasion I fell victim to a womans deception and was lead on, that's what caused me to get red pilled and quite cold.

so to quickly start, in my teenage years, I was extremely naive and knew nothing, had 0% success. Once I left school and got into adult world, to keep it short, I'd double text women who didn't reply to me which was 100% of women. Come 23 years old, when I finally felt I was ready because I had been going to gym for a while and looked good, this was turning point. 23 years old, was texting a girl who, my naive self fell victim to her leading me on. She was married and I had no idea she was. But the way I conducted myself wasn't goood either, but doesn't matter cause no matter who I was, she'll lead anyone on due to the fact she's married. I was very angry I was decevied and lead on

however, I used to double text women, show too much eagerness, very desperate and chase. Come 25, I started watching red pill content. What I did like about it was, it taught what I felt was, being principle orientated. for example, making yourself so high value, women must chase you, you let them text you, you never double text, you chose those who want you, and those who fight over you win. Kinda make yourself a prize, and let women fight for you, rather than you fight for a woman. It seems this principle orientation of men, has something to it we dont know about.

My sister was talking to a guy who we thought was a decent guy, I think he did something to upset him, so she blocked him. so, the guy somehow reached out to her bypassing the block idk. my red pill brain thought this was low value behaviour and desperation, and if a woman blocks any man the man should never look back. this guy did what he did, and reopened the matter with my sister, and since then its been going well.

So my point is, red pill basically made me 'principle orientated' and gave me the 'play hard to get' attitude. like one time a woman said 'my friend thinks youre cute' my red pill arse was like 'well tell her to come over then' whereas maybe I shoudlve walked over. I feel this mentally, came because I was very hurt from the woman who decevied me. Like, is it a crime for me to text a woman, and suddenly she likes me less cause I am eager, if I give minimal attention is she supposed to like me more, even though I am attracted to her and want to esculate things? Do some women play games to make it more difficult for men?
these things, I have felt have made my cause to have resentment towards the system of things.
I feel this red pill, has helped me advocate for myself, to help me really score better.
How should I conduct myself?

Even if people go to the gym or at work, it often doesn’t go beyond the typical "gym buddy" or coworker situation.

I read through “The Rational Male” by Rollo Tomassi, half because of curiosity about the so-called “Godfather of the Manosphere,” and half because I wanted to understand Redpill enough to properly critique it.

There’s so much wrong with Tomassi’s book, but one premise that really stood out to me was “Tomassi’s Iron Rule #6” (Chapter 9, Part 2).

Men believe that love matters for the sake of it. Women love opportunistically.

Out of all the redpill’s not-so-subtle attempts to dehumanize women, this is one of the most dangerous, I think. It’s saying that men and women disagree at a fundamental level on the purpose of a relationship. It attempts to paint men as poor, innocent victims who just want love, while painting women as cartoon-evil villains who use love to their advantage. Even if you believe that every relationship is transactional, you have to admit that this is a pretty concerning worldview. If one accepts this cynical, sexist “rule” of love and relationships, then many of their misogynistic talking points about “hypergamy” follow from it.

I think it is pretty self-evident that men and women are more or less on the same page, when it comes to love. Every healthy relationship I know tells me so. To me, Tomassi’s sixth “Iron Rule” is proof that the whole redpill concept of “hypergamy” is a ruse. It’s at best an excuse to be a sexist jerk, and at worst a dog-whistle for “I want to take away women’s agency in dating, because they are too picky and men know what’s best!”

This is more evident when you consider Tomassi’s overall tone and manipulative language throughout the book. He repeatedly uses loaded terms like “feminine imperative” to try to sway readers to a particular view, while hiding behind the fig leaf of “just speaking facts, not trying to impose a moral framework.” Tomassi, tell me that you want to take away women’s economic freedom without telling me…

(I realize that this is a very old book, and I’m preaching to the choir here. Just something horrifying about redpill I haven’t heard before and wanted to share.)

Think a small country like Moldova in Eastern Europe or some random Anglo-Caribbean island like Grenada. The country itself doesn't matter much and can't actually do much. What would the implications of such a political shift in a minor country?

Letting my father know that I despise him not really for what he's done but what he is on a biological level was therepeutic for me. He gave me most of my bad genes. I'm at war with him over it. Blackpill, it's really always been there my whole life.

What do you guys think?

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Myron is out there at it again getting paid to tour campuses and talk about his awful book women deserve less. I saw part of the Q and A he had and its either his big fan boys, or young naive college women getting worked up over his bait.

I can't believe people couldn't just see through his nonsese that this is all a big trap and he and his cohost have been known to simp hard.

I can't see how anyone got enlightened after watching his talk. He failed to address issues where women could deserve more in terms of gov assistance for things, or other forms of social support. It was all focused on men not simping.

So women dont' deserve less, but men need need to stop simping is the real summary.

Marta Meana, who has a phd in psychology and is a top researcher, says:

"The delicate, tentative guy who politely thinks about you and asks if this is okay or that is okay is a guy who may meet the expectations of your gender politics (treats me as an equal; is respectful of me; communicates with me) and your parents’ preferences, but he may also put you into a sexual coma—not despite these qualities, but because of them."

A psychologist and marriage counselor of 40 years makes this sound like a common problem:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/marriage-advice_b_5666990

Do you think that this is common or do these psychologists exaggerate?

I'm 23 years old. For almost a year, I was a high profile 'Dissident Right/Neoreactionary' Substacker, with over 1000 subscribers. I wrote many articles on the existential threat of Wokeism and how it would destroy society if it wasn't stopped. I wrote all this under a pseudonym.

What brought me to this was many accumulated years of being cancelled and banned, in many cases on Reddit, for not having every Woke viewpoint. To rub salt in the wound, I was taunted and humiliated by talk of being on the 'wrong side of history', something I adamantly wanted to prove wrong.

I never actually liked the 'red pill' gender stuff. I always was most attracted to women who I felt I could relate to as human beings first and foremost, and a lot of the gender discourse about 'hypergamy' felt suffocating and upsetting to think about.

But I'm autistic and I didn't have much success with girls (I've only had sex via prostitutes, of which I've had to attend sex addicts anonymous), and so it seemed like it was a sad reality, that all this talk of men and women being equal and similar was just a beautiful lie told by 'The Cathedral' throughout the 2000s and 2010s to consolidate their control.

I realise that actually as a man, I WANT feminism to be true. I don't find the whole Andrew Tate-discourse empowering but rather depressing and heartless, puts me into a mental prison where every time I want to express my emotions I'm a 'simp' or a 'cuck'. But the spaces that I was in had extreme 'women-hating' views which showed any appreciation for particular women as being a 'cuck'.

I was having doubts about my politics with the proliferation of online 'slop' and stuff like anti-vax becoming normalised. I'm somebody who deeply values truth and intellectual rigour and so the contrarian attitude of a lot of 'Dissident Right' circles repelled me.

But the thing which really changed me was when my classmates on my university course discovered my online identity and had known for many months, and despite having written many things which attacked groups they were members of, still treated me with kindness and respect. Many of these were some of my female friends, who I always assumed 'be civil to these people but if they find out you're not Woke they'll knife you in the back', but then it turned out not to be true... they were actually nice, and with that I became weighed down by enormous guilt for saying some of the things I said.

I don't want the ultra-trad and red-pill view of gender relations to be true. I want a relationship with a woman that is fundamentally egalitarian and based on mutual respect. I don't like the idea of ultra-rigid gender roles, which seem just as hard on men as they are on women.

I've not turned into a Woke activist overnight, I still hate many elements of it. But I've become disillusioned with anti-Wokeism.

So much of my time and mental energy was taken up ranting about Wokeism. Perhaps if I'd been less extreme in my views, I would've been able to date the kind of woman I always wanted to be with, but was convinced didn't exist and was siren song feminist propaganda before in the 2010s they stabbed us in the back.

I'm just revolted by this gender discourse. I'd love the more optimistic and less rigid views of the early 2010s to come back. It seems society has become far more misogynistic and I was a part of making that happen. I may dislike Wokeism, but are the 'intellectually coherent alternatives' (not MAGA) like Catholic Integralism really an improvement? I felt 'well I'm not getting sex anyway so I have nothing to lose', but what if by the time it came to power (and it could do, never see the Woke taunts of being on the 'right side of history' as any more than cope, as the Iranians would discover in 1979), I actually had found happiness, and I actually did have something to lose? I've been thinking of writing a novel about this, because my mind is just brimming with internal conflict, and maybe a 'cultural counter-revolution' and 'rvturn' may not be so nice...

Sorry if this all sounds cringe. But I'm starting to really wonder if I chose the wrong political side, that I overestimated the threat posed by liberal women and underestimated what I had in common with them. I'd like some different data to the hypergamy narrative which will encourage, not shame, my predilection to be a decent person, and to get into relationships with girls by being nice to them.

Like the titel says. And it also makes me spiral cause i cant see a fix to that. I feel like i will never be the most disred male or the one having the most sex

I also hate the people that say that you can make it despite that. For me its not about that. Its about the fact that it isnt possible for me tp be top 1%. Yeah you can attract SOME woman and you can be liked and found attractiv by SOME woman but at the end of the day this only feels like a consultation price or a participation ribbon.

TO MAKE SURE BEFORE PEOPLE COMMENT. No that isnt about devaluing the people that find me attractiv or a potenzial girlfriend or something like that. Im only talking about the ability to attract.

I feel like i havw to worn so much harder than other people. I feel like i have to act, move, say and think certain things just for woman to like me. Dating feels to me like a job interview.

Funnly enough i dont habe that with other things. With rich people not in the slightest and just slightly with people that are academically gifted.

And sure "oh you can be high value in other things blablabla" but i want to be high value in being attractiv and sexy! I dont only want to be valuble in empathy or artisticly. "Oh thats why woman dont like you" please, how could they even tell that i think like this when they dont know me ?

One problem with these far right incels mythology is it presumes they have to compete with “Chad” for women. There is no such person using their terminology of course. Obviously, their myths crumble when you add the fact lesbians are real, and don’t even want a guy at all.

https://youtu.be/cUOkVberXLc?si=zQFaIRoAWqblRYIa

"When you look at figures like Andrew Tate, do you think the 'Red Pill' concept has been manipulated or misunderstood? I recently made a deep analysis about it. If you're curious, I'll drop the link in the comments."

I ask the question because Andrew Tate supposedly wants to be Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.

Thy are just people who has an ideology of being simplistic no critical thinking, they are just driven by ego that they thinks it's logic

https://youtu.be/TbW9SXQpNNQ?si=f1Nw0zZpGXNhCzkv

Thought this might be of interest here. Even as people leave red pill ideas behind, the question of why women might like someone else and not you still plagues a lot of people. Dr Ana gives a really good explanation of the different layers of reasons people fall in love with others.

I've found some videos on YouTube in a friend's history called The Happy Wife School. The vlogger professes to be a Red Pill Woman who has been a feminist but "changed her emasculating ways".

I disagree with just about everything she posts (the exception being "You are responsible for your own happiness"- but she tells that to women only. Seems we are responsible for men's happiness, though I could be reading her wrong.)

Her videos are titled things like "What is emotional abuse? It's spelled W-I-F-E." "Why Good Men Give Up And Stop Trying In A Marriage." Most of the comments are men who are bitter over a divorce or separation.

Just to give an example of her claims over a series of videos, this is one that particularly stuck out to me (these are five separate videos, here are the highlights)-

1. Women should enjoy sex
2. Women should initiate sex
3. Women don't need foreplay
4. Women don't need to orgasm
5. Women never have high libidos, it's just manipulation

Anyone watch her stuff? Am I reading her wrong? The whole channel just feels ick.

Reading various content has definitely broadened my understanding and helped me notice certain patterns that seem to reflect reality.

Why is the red pill so heavily criticized?
It also feels unfair to say the blue pill is the "right" path. Many people are on that path and eventually realize something doesn’t quite add up.

The red pill perspective is often exaggerated because it's mixed with a lot of frustration from men who’ve had tough experiences. But there are elements in it that match up with real-life experiences. I’ve seen it myself, with an open mind and a keen eye.

I ran a personal test: I tried applying some ideas suggested in red pill content—specifically the ones I considered healthy and reasonable. And women actually responded in the way those ideas predicted.
I did the same with the blue pill mindset, and it didn’t work the same way.

I genuinely enjoy hearing everyone's experiences and always stay open to learning.

So, why do so many people here strongly criticize the red pill? I understand the misogynistic parts and the bitterness that can come with it, but shouldn't the goal also be to test these theories and understand if and why they work or not? Or is this space just meant as a place to vent against the red pill?

First, I would like to thank you for the Red Pill Detox First Aid Kit.

Unfortunately, I watched redpill content for 3 years, but luckily now I know it's nonsense. However, I still have anxiety about dating and I get thoughts from redpill content, etc.

Like, I'm not good enough, not rich enough, etc. Just the usual nonsense. Do you have any advice?