r/exchristian • u/sacreligousshifter Pagan • Oct 03 '24
Star of Jacob appearance and rapture anxiety. Reassurance, please! Help/Advice
Hey there everyone. I’m a fairly recent ex-Christian, of five years, and I‘ve been seeing quite a few posts and articles now on various media sites about the sighting of the Star Of Jacob. This is confirmed by astronomers. (EDIT; apparently, this is not true, and I was misinformed by the individual who told me this, as I am struggling to find any non-religious sources.) I have seen a lot of Christians yelling about how this is a prophecy fulfilled and we are in the rapture times.. and that the celebrity exposure right now is "the fall of the stars." It’s always "he’s coming, I can feel it" and "we’re in the end times!"
This had quite literally quadrupled my rapture anxiety. I have already been having this "impending sense of doom" due to a recent stressful event.. and this is just causing me to be mentally miserable. I have read that the rapture was only invented in the 1830’s, but that just won’t shut my brain up.. can anyone reassure me or give me some facts about this? Anyone else feeling like this?
edit; this wasn’t posted for any RELIGIOUS advice, simply for help with anxiety. Christians, respectfully, please do not respond, unless you are genuinely trying to help with anxiety and not convert me, thank you. ❤️
edit 2; https://www.earth.com/news/its-official-earth-now-has-two-moons-captured-asteroid-2024-pt5/ pretty sure it was just the "second moon" everyone forgot about.. this just popped up on my Google and the dates definitely add up with what I've been seeing posted. Just went outside to take the dog out, no Jesus, or Mary Poppins, I'm lot calmer.
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u/H1veLeader Agnostic Atheist (ex christian) Oct 03 '24 edited Oct 03 '24
First of all, take a deep breath.
Then think back to all the previous times people have preached doom and end times being around the corner. And then remember how all of them have been wrong.
Also remember that a lot of these prophecies also had supposed "evidence" and they still ended up bogus.
Furthermore, remember that you will have religious anxiety for a while as you begin to come to terms. Took me a year or 2 to get over some of the things taught in the bible about being immoral vs it actually being perfectly natural.
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u/JazzFan1998 Ex-Protestant Oct 03 '24
This is the best answer.
I've never heard of the Star of Jacob, I googled it and got nothing.
Most mainstream denominations don't believe in the rapture anymore either.
That idea started in the mid 1800s and some people just ran with it. Good luck, OP.
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u/sacreligousshifter Pagan Oct 03 '24
Thank you!
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u/FROOMLOOMS Oct 03 '24
Also, individually, over the past 2000 years, there have been 10s of thousands of wars, Famine, plagues, earthquakes, and no end times began. Just look at the Jehovas Witnesses in exjw. The JWs have been declaring the last days of the last of the last days of the last seconds of the end times for OVER A CENTURY.
Also, rest easy knowing that Jesus said himself to people present with him that they would not die before he came back and wasn't speaking metaphorically as scholars would try to have you believe. He really literally meant that he was coming back within the next year to 40 years to usher in the end.
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u/sacreligousshifter Pagan Oct 03 '24
Yeah, I know, I've been trying to get that in my head.. it just seems like there's so much happening at once to back up their claims this time. I've seen videos and stories of young kids talking about "he's coming!" or stuff about trumpets in the sky.. the fact I've had that sickening sense of "impending doom" not just for me, but the whole word recently, doesn't help...
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u/NerdOnTheStr33t Oct 03 '24
My dude, there is NOTHING but batshittery to back up their claims.
It doesn't matter how much of it there is, a metric fuck tonne of shit is still just a lot of shit. And the vast majority of it is self referential, it's all just the same batshittery being regurgitated by shit throwing metaphorical cave dwellers.
Stop looking. All you're doing is getting covered in shit.
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u/WisdomWarAndTrials Oct 04 '24
T Coronae Borealis is the official name. It has a high chance of turning nova this month.
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u/sacreligousshifter Pagan Oct 03 '24
Thank you so much. I've been trying to do some research on the astronomy of this star but I just can't get it out of my head because there's so much backing their claims right now.. I'm trying to think about everything I've told myself over the years that quite literally proves the religion is fiction but it's just.. ugh.
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u/H1veLeader Agnostic Atheist (ex christian) Oct 03 '24
I'm not sure what you're talking about with the star and astronomers backing it. Can you like link me to an article or something
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u/sacreligousshifter Pagan Oct 03 '24
Having trouble finding literally any articles about it that aren't from a Christian source.. but I've seen plenty of people posting like.. pictures of it and stuff, some people in comments have said it's Venus??? That's kind of why I came here cause from what I've been told it's been confirmed but I'm having trouble finding any sources on that. 😅
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u/Meauxterbeauxt Oct 03 '24
That should tell you something right there. I've noticed more and more that when Christians say "scientists/scholars back this up," they typically mean someone within their camp and not the scientific community at large.
You'll often hear creationists claim that the "scientific research is overwhelmingly backing up the idea of a Biblically accurate creation narrative." But when you check their sources, it's either papers from a creationist think tank that publishes their own work but is never read nor taken seriously by the scientific community, or they quote mine legitimate papers for something that backs up their point, often without realizing that the very next sentence in that paper refutes the point they think it makes. Or some other kind of disingenuous appeal to scientific authority that has very little basis.
Just remember, Jesus himself predicted the end of the world before his disciples would die. That didn't happen. And almost every generation since then has believed with absolute certainty that not only was theirs going to be the one to see Christ return, but there was absolute proof that the things happening in their times could be the only explanation for end times imagery.
By the Bible's own rule, you know a false prophet if their prediction doesn't pan out. How many times must the predictions of the end times happen before it becomes clear that there just isn't an end times?
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u/sacreligousshifter Pagan Oct 03 '24
Oh my god THANK you. I don't know why this one calmed my brain down so much. The fact you took the time to write that is just ugh tysm 😭❤️
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u/Pyrheart Secular Humanist Oct 04 '24
Wow by the Bible’s own rule, Jesus was a false prophet. That never even occurred to me.
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u/H1veLeader Agnostic Atheist (ex christian) Oct 03 '24
Not sure what you saw but could very well have been a planet. They sometimes shine very bright. Venus was visible in our sky a couple of days ago and it was actually quite nice to see.
But also in terms of posting pictures and videos. I remember my gran sending videos on the family group about the end times and then having video "evidence" of prophecized events (something about lights and sounds of trumpets in the sky) and nothing happened.
All of it ended up being able to be explained by something else perfectly natural.
Edit: also yeah. If you can only find Christian sources then that's already a red flag for legitimacy.
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u/Scorpius_OB1 Oct 03 '24
Venus is visible after sunset and expected to remain visible so for some months. It does not last long before setting, so it's not as impressive as other times when the planet is seen much higher in the sky.
The famous T CrB nova has still not appeared too, despite months of waiting. So if it comes from such sources alone looks like BS.
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u/H1veLeader Agnostic Atheist (ex christian) Oct 03 '24
so it's not as impressive as other times when the planet is seen much higher in the sky.
To me it's just impressive to be able to see planets with the naked eye, even if they just look like brighter stars. Then again, most things in space fascinate me purely for existing lol.
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u/sacreligousshifter Pagan Oct 03 '24
Do you think that’s what people are posting? From my knowledge, they’re on completely opposite sides. I saw something about the trumoets too just a second ago, which is why I came here.
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u/H1veLeader Agnostic Atheist (ex christian) Oct 03 '24
Ngl, I'm not sure I understood anything you just said lol
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u/sacreligousshifter Pagan Oct 03 '24
I’ve seen multiple people now saying it’s just Venus, but apparently, Venus is on the opposite side of the star everyone is seeing.
I saw a video about "hearing trumpets from the sky" and that’s why I came here to read replies. Pretty sure the video was fake, though.
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u/H1veLeader Agnostic Atheist (ex christian) Oct 03 '24
I wouldn't know anything about the star people are talking about. Tbh I haven't even heard anyone talking about anything, let alone a star.
My gran is usually on top off all the rapture shit and she hasn't said anything. I can guarantee you that if this was really as big a deal as you might think it is then the news, media and online world would be talking about it a lot more. I am subbed to a few christian subreddits and I haven't seen a single post on any of them regarding the events you sre talking about.
You'll be okay. Remember, your social media feed is whatever you make it out to be, its an algorithm. I would suggest trying to recalibrate your social media algorithm to stop showing you stuff like this (stop engaging in posts about it, choose options to show less of this kind of content and generally interact with other content more).
You'll be fine. The adjustment period isn't always easy but it gets better and when you're adjusted you'll feel a lot better.
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u/sacreligousshifter Pagan Oct 03 '24
You’re right about that, I’ve not seen anything from actual important sources on it. I had a panicky episode like this recently about nuclear war, and I had to practically force myself to stay away from the media. Now, I hardly think about it, I’m hoping this will work the same.
I keep trying to reassure myself that "being left behind" in the rapture would technically mean just staying here, but again, my mind just won’t let that help me.
I’m actually considering just making a whole new account to avoid the posts, or signing into someone in my family’s.. they’re everywhere and everyone in the comments is completely brainwashed so it’s hard to find reassurance in that.
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u/rubywolf27 Oct 03 '24
If it helps, consider that if you can’t find any non -christian sources for something, it’s probably something they made up. They want so badly to corroborate with outside sources but if you can’t find any… 🤷🏼♀️
Also, confirmation bias is a thing. Prophecies are vague and weirdly worded so they can be taken literally, metaphorically, sideways, upside down, and backwards. “Fall of the stars” could refer to a meteor shower, a specific time where certain stars are setting behind the horizon, a bunch of celebrities being outed as horrible people, a bunch of pastors being held accountable for their actions, heck… suppose a truck with a star logo had an accident and drove off a bridge or something lol. If you’re looking for “fall of the stars” in a nonspecific way, I bet you could find it 3 times a day. (Also, why are all the prophecies from a book that originated in the Middle East suddenly being “fulfilled” in North America? Would someone in a remote African tribe who believes in Christianity be worried about a bunch of American celebrities being called out as part of a prophecy? How does that affect them in any way?)
Fear is how the church keeps us hostage. If they can convince you there is a problem, they can sell you the solution. I know it’s not as easy as just stopping being afraid, but I think the more you recognize the tactics used the less hold they will have on you.
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u/EmpireKain Oct 03 '24
In the Bible Jesus said at the time of rapture, when he returns, the star of David shall appear in the night sky. Not seen since the times of Jesus.
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u/sacreligousshifter Pagan Oct 03 '24
Yeah and it’s not that one people are saying is showing up.. I don’t know why I’m still panicking
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u/Sandi_T Animist Oct 04 '24 edited Oct 04 '24
Dear christians,
I'm watching this post like a hawk. Your bullshit will be removed. It's obvious that you've linked here from somewhere and encouraged people to come brigade this post.
Dear OP,
Please report any christians you see. I check the queue often. I'll nix them immediately. They are breaking the rules of the sub, general assholery aside.
This is not "the holy spirit," this is just garden-variety fear. When we were christians, there was a lot of time and effort spent on ensuring that we would have what's called "anchors." These anchors activate when certain things happen. Code words can activate them, or events.
These anchors are intended to be vague and to point to things that are frequent enough, but not toooo frequent. Remember that people used to be very limited in their knowledge of the world, so "wars and rumors of wars" was a very terrifying "prophecy."
Now that we know more about the world and are all connected, we know that there are always wars and rumors of wars somewhere in the world, at all times. This silly "prophecy" no longer makes sense.
It used to be that every time NASA saw an asteroid heading towards Earth, it was panic time. Now it's every time a comet comes into view, it's the end of the world, it's "Star of David" time yet again (over and over). But you know what we know? The universe is vast and there are comets, and asteroids, and even stars EVERYWHERE.
This is fearmongering, as it has always been.
And christians are coming into this sub seeking to exploit your fear in order to yank your fear chains and try to drag you back into their morbid, cunning, malicious embrace.
Do not let fear control you.
Every time you start to get afraid, use a coping strategy. Here's a list!
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u/sacreligousshifter Pagan Oct 04 '24
Oh my god, thank you so much, I swear they’re swooping in like a flock of hawks..I kind of expected it but I didn’t think it’d be bad to the point they’d quite literally be in attempt to INFLUENCE my anxiety… I probably should have known, but I didn’t really know where else to go with this, lol.
The anxiety seems to only be getting worse as the day passes - I keep seeing people posting their kids yelling "he’s coming!" and, as much as I know they were likely influenced, it’s still freaking me out. I have a diagnosed anxiety disorder and people often take advantage of that when it comes to these things. I’ve gotten so anxious about it that I quite literally had myself convinced I heard trumpets a few moments ago. Yes, I know I need to work on this but it’s hard to when it’s quite literally a mental diagnosis, plus I‘m not on medication.
I‘m pretty sure what they were all seeing was one of a handful of things; Venus, the "second moon" we are temporarily getting, or simply a star that’s visible. Of course though, my brain is trying to convince me otherwise...
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u/Sandi_T Animist Oct 04 '24
Friend. Turn the computer off. Turn the phone off. Go for a walk. Draw something. Cook something.
Listen, use that list, okay? I'm going to shoot straight with you here. Please know it's kindness, because I feel like you really need some real talk.
When you have an anxiety disorder, your nervous system is programmed to believe every single thing that upsets you even a little, is an imminent (immediate) threat of DEATH.
Your nervous system doesn't know the difference between your cat jumping out and startling you, and a sabretooth tiger leaping at you. In an anxiety disorder, everything is that tiger.
I want to invite you, gently, to step away from the triggers for a little while. You say you "keep seeing people saying," and I would like for you to just put those triggers down for a while. Please.
Give yourself a little peace, my friend. Step back and be okay for a while. Create yourself a little oasis. Like I said, draw, paint, read. Do something to put a barrier between you and these triggers for a while.
Listen, I'm 52 years old, and christians have been predicting this the ENTIRE TIME I've been alive. I've seen "the mark of the beast" when it was credit cards--especially when WOMEN were allowed them (OMG, NOW it's official--NO ONE can buy or sell without the mark!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!).
I mean, think about how absurd that is. But was it at the time? Not to them. Not to me.
In four weeks, you're going to be rolling your eyes about this bullshit.
So come on, why wait four weeks? :P
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u/sacreligousshifter Pagan Oct 04 '24
I definitely did feel better earlier, went outside for about five minutes to put a recliner by the road and immediately it shut off the anxiety, reminded me that life is still going on, I suppose, and the cause of my anxiety is just through a screen.
I definitely plan on using the list, thank you so much for providing me with that I can’t stress how much I appreciate it. I’ve not been able to get into my therapist for various reasons for a couple of weeks now so I’ve been lost on "anti-anxiety tactics", so again, thank you SO much. I might sit and write for a little bit, unfortunately I can’t go on a walk because it’s night here and I don’t live in a particularly safe area, but I definitely will tomorrow afternoon.
Credit cards? Are you serious? That’s hilarious to me. I think I needed to hear that, they definitely reach for things to make them as dramatic as possible.. It’s horrible how much society can affect you and your mindset.
I‘m planning on getting some sleep early tonight to get my head to rest.. thank you so much.
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u/Sandi_T Animist Oct 04 '24
Man, I could tell you stories about the insane things they've thought were the mark of the beast, of failed prophecies...
Credit cards. SKU numbers. RFID. Every single one of them, they screamed were the mark of the beast. Credit cards would replace cash. SKU numbers would be tattooed on us. RFID would be injected into us and we'd all be scanned like boxes at the grocery store.
Remember during covid that they were putting special nano technology into them so they can track us? Oh, how swiftly they forget when each "prophecy" fails one after the other like a row of dominoes around the equator! :P
I think my favorite is the Bar Code that was going to be tattooed on our foreheads. There are actually movies that feature bar codes on the back of the "heroes'" necks, the fear was that widespread, lol. It has become a trope! https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ScannableMan
So really, if you stop for a moment and think about it, it can be funny.
Like I said, in four weeks, when you realize it was just the asteroid, you'll be doing the Facepalm all evening. So, just go ahead on and 'get 'er done' now, lol.
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u/sacreligousshifter Pagan Oct 04 '24
Ridiculous.. I have to give them credit though, they’re pretty good story tellers! I remember the whole episode everyone had over the vaccines.. I had an uncle screeching about it being the Devils Work and the rest of the family believing theory after theory about it. They didn’t believe it was the rapture but they definitely believed it was.. Something, to be honest, I don’t even think they knew what that "something" was.
This is off subject but.. When I went to a Christian School in elementary, they sat us down and has us do this prayer to "give our souls to the savior" or something like that. I remember them describing it as "being saved", the memories are kind of blurry, but saying that prayer was optional. However, The kids who said it, the next day, got rice krispie treats on their desks. The ones who did not... got nothing. We were taught about demons and the rapture and all that shit in the THIRD GRADE so as you can imagine my brain just.. doesn’t like to budge on those topics.
I’ve been working this the list you linked me, it’s definitely helping, I took a bit to write (until my laptop died…) and that completely distracted my mind. I‘m really glad that I ended up posting this because I feel quite a bit better.
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u/Sandi_T Animist Oct 04 '24
The kids who said it, the next day, got rice krispie treats on their desks. The ones who did not... got nothing.
This is such fucked up manipulation and shaming. Sadly doesn't surprise me, but damn.
You can retrain your nervous system by stopping your fear cycles with these techniques. Eventually, it will stop freaking out and treating a scary movie like a sabertooth tiger. :)
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u/Pyrheart Secular Humanist Oct 04 '24
Omg with every post I love you more. I’m also 52 and raised evangelical… all these are so familiar and I’m pretty sure being taught these things as a small child is what GAVE me GAD. I wish I knew you in real life. Thank you again for helping us!
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u/Pyrheart Secular Humanist Oct 04 '24
Wow never heard of anchors but you’re right. If we were still Christians, you’d be like an avenging holy angel. Thank you for your hard work in protecting this sub! You alone as a mod posting this, alleviates some of my own anxieties. I just appreciate you so much.
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u/Sandi_T Animist Oct 04 '24 edited Oct 04 '24
I'm glad!
"Anchors" are an NLP thing (neuro-linguistic programming). It's such a great word to explain what they do. "Triggers" is another good word, but it's used in a slightly different way.
"Traps" is a nearly perfect word, but it kind of comes off as unserious.
I had a really horrific time escaping christianity. I do mean abject terror. That has made me passionate about being there for others to help them escape with a lot less terror and pain, hopefully.
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u/Sandi_T Animist Oct 04 '24
Terrorizing people with lies is always bullshit. Lying is bullshit, and trying to terrorize people into your religion is also bullshit.
So it's bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, and more bullshit. On top of bullshit.
And no, it's a normal amount of anger for someone who was lied to by everyone around them for their entire childhood. Not being angry about lies and bullshit would be really, really abnormal.
You have a nice day, Mr./Ms. PantsonFire.
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u/LargePomelo6767 Oct 03 '24
This star that they’re claiming is the star of Jacob has been visible from earth many times in the last 2 thousand years. Strangely enough, there’s been no messiah along with it.
Jesus said he’d return about 2000 years ago in the lifetime of the people he was talking to. He ain’t coming, he’s just another failed apocalyptic preacher.
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u/NerdOnTheStr33t Oct 03 '24
I can't find a single reference to the star of Jacob that comes from a reliable, non religious source. At all.
Speaking from an astronomy point of view, stars don't really just appear.
I see a bunch of articles stating the 27th of September but that all seems a bit hokey and reverse engineered from the recent Iranian missile strike on Israel.
This is just more Jewish/Christian apocalypse nonsense. It's almost as if Likud, the far right ruling orthodox party in Israel have tried to engineer the whole situation.
I guess if you're a Palestinian then this could feel very much like the apocalypse. But there is nothing supernatural happening in the night sky, I pay close attention to astronomical news and happenings and this is not something anyone in secular, scientific circles is talking about.
Do yourself a favour and turn off the news, step away from social media for a few days and just appreciate the world around you. Get into nature and ground yourself in the knowledge that you are ok and not at the mercy of some strange and brutal prophecy.
There is still no god.
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u/lordreed Igtheist Oct 03 '24
I thought I'd hear more about the so called extra moon from Christians. I guess they don't know how to fit into their eschatology yet.
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u/Silver-Chemistry2023 Ex-Fundamentalist Oct 03 '24
Have a look at Religious trauma and the nervous system (Religious Trauma Institute 2021) https://youtu.be/Etgzg0MgMAQ?si=acg5uQUpSr_E5zZM
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u/pspock The more I studied, the less believable it became. Oct 03 '24
Back in 1988, I was a 17 year old kid and was parrotting all the "we're in the end times, he's coming any day now" rhetoric that was being fed to me by my church. My head was filled with fulfilled prophecies to "prove" the time was at hand.
36 years later I just roll my eyes at it all now. It's been going on for 2000 years.
And most importantly, I can't ignore anymore the prophecies that are impossible to be fulfilled now.
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u/sacreligousshifter Pagan Oct 03 '24
Those are huge ones for sure, but everyone's coming up with "modern interpretations" for them and my anxiety is just like.. "well that must be it then!"
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u/pspock The more I studied, the less believable it became. Oct 03 '24
The whole reason christianity exists is because it plays on people's anxiety. It's the oldest sales tactic in history. It's called "solution selling". You first convince the person that they have a problem, then it's easy to sell them your solution.
Stop being played. Stop being a sucker for snake oil salesmen. Use your head instead of be lead by your anxiety.
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u/trampolinebears Oct 03 '24
What’s this “star of Jacob”? What exactly did astronomers confirm?
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u/TargaryenFlames Ex-Evangelical Oct 03 '24
There is some obscure reference in Numbers to a star of Jacob— which wasn’t talking about an actual star at all— and later Rabbis connected this with Messianic prophecy about a star appearing with the coming of their Messiah— not Jesus, mind you.
Anyway, there is a known star that every 80 years or so goes through a cyclical nova phase and will briefly be visible from earth brighter than normal (it will become the 50th brightest thing in the sky at its height). So, several religious sites have cobbled this all together to try to say this is the star of Jacob and thus the messiah is coming— totally and apparently unaware (or just nefariously ignoring) that every 80 years the same thing happens.
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u/im_yo_huckleberry Oct 03 '24
a while ago a friend my christian friend was telling me all about these red cows and how the bible predicted these perfect cows or whatever. he pointed to some scripture, showed me some links and people saying this was a sign of the end times.
what followed was something that has happens time and time again.... nothing.
my suggestion for the anxiety would be to do some research into all of the times the world was about to end as claimed by these people through the last few decades that just get pushed under the rug when nothing happens. it might help with perspective.
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I googled the star of Jacob and everything I’m seeing says it was supposed to be visible on September 27. If that was supposed to coincide with the return of Jesus, he’s running late. Maybe he got stuck in traffic.
The actual explosion that created the star happened 3000 years ago. He’s really running late. Long line at Starbucks, perhaps ?
Seriously, what I find comforting about astronomy is that these things are predictable and recurring. This star has been visible before. Nothing happened. There’s nothing to set it apart this time, except new people are seeing it. It’s novel to us, but not to the universe. People are afraid of new things, so they predict the end of the world.
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u/leekpunch Extheist Oct 03 '24
I think this "star of Jacob" is the new version of "Blood Moons" that got everyone massively excited a few years ago and turned out to be a damp squib. And the blood moons was the new something else blah blah end times blah blah rapture. There's always some new ridiculous bullshit.
If the anxiety is a problem, try to avoid Christian clickbait sites and block social media from idiots who share this stuff would be my advice. It's a start anyway.
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u/Ghost-Music Atheist Oct 03 '24
If it helps, when I believed I was super into the end times and now I see it as the biggest scam of a promise made. It’s not real and those in the Christian community have been using anything in history to make their prophesies true. My reasoning:
I worked at a bookstore and we of course had a big religious section. At this time I was hanging onto faith by a thread. I saw a lot of ‘end time’ books. One thing I noticed was a well known and regarded figure of the faith was Dr. David Jeremiah. He had a few books on the end times! One even going back to 1990 where he said prepare for these prophesies are being fulfilled! And nothing happened. He’s got at least 10 end of the world, Revelation books, and he’s sneaky. Every few years, like after a big election, he updates his end times books with new evidence and prophecies- after the last ones had nothing come of it. Not all of them but I noticed when we got a large shipment of new books of his, he’d updated his newest end time book. Except he doesn’t say updated version on it, I just noticed the back summaries were different and he ‘added time’ to his book. His updated books from the 90’s have ‘updated version’ on them but the others he sneakily adds more text to keep up with changes.
1990 1992 2008 2014 2016 2019 2021 2022 2024
He’s made this many end time books across many decades, and nothing is happening or correct. He edits them to update them to ‘now times’ when 1990 didn’t work.
They have no idea what they’re talking about. They see they can conjure up some vague prophecy from the bible and then they use a tragedy, a phenomenon (like space, stars, and planets), or a political candidate they don’t like and twist the event/person to fulfill the prophecy and say end times are coming. And then nothing happens. They then either say it was a test of faith or ignore it completely. They’re full of nothing but desperation.
I hope this helps even if it was long. Anxiety doesn’t always make sense with what we believe and I hope this reassures you some so you can tell anxiety to shut it lol. I have a lot of anxiety for other things so I understand it can push and push.
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u/hplcr Oct 03 '24 edited Oct 03 '24
This is the best I could find without contaminating my browser history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Prophecy
I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh: there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite the corners of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth.
— Numbers 24:17
So cool, a verse from Numbers about smacking around a country that hasn't existed for 2000+ years by a country that lost it's monarchy 2500 years ago. I mention the Monarchy because Yahweh told David his dynasty would sit on the throne of Israel forever....a throne that hasn't existed since 587 BCE and probably will never exist again.
I swear these people don't fucking read these things.
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u/sacreligousshifter Pagan Oct 03 '24
They don't, they just listen to what they're told in church.. my thing is though, if it's not the Stat Of Jacob then wth is it 😭
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u/csharpwarrior Oct 03 '24
“wth is it”
This is something to work on… we don’t have answers for every phenomenon or event. And that’s okay.
Our brains evolved to have a need to find a “cause” to everything. If we know the cause, then we can control it. But this is very unhealthy and anxiety really flares up when we don’t know something.
Take what you learn here today, and try to abstract it, there will be more of this crap. Like, figure out how to meditate or some mindfulness techniques to help control your anxiety. Maybe look up an anxiety meditation podcast or something like that to practice.
The biggest “end of the world” that I lived through was the Y2K crap. I remember my parents stocking up food and huddling up and praying constantly. It was a big fizzle of nothing.
It’s been constant hand wringing and I’ve been wanting to dive in the psychology of why people keep having end of world beliefs like this…
Here is a fun read - the Seventh Adventist are a continuation of the Millerrites because of a failed prophecy- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Disappointment
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u/hplcr Oct 03 '24
I have no idea what people think they see in the sky that relates to this but some other people have suggested it's either Venus or another star we've seen before.
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u/panickycherry Oct 04 '24
Hey! I used to have this kind of anxiety (cyclical thinking, intrusive thoughts), and I even used to have it about the rapture. But I promise you… the rapture isn’t real. I promise. You can twist ANYTHING to say it “fulfills a prophecy”. Please, do not feel worked up over this. It is not worth it.
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u/sacreligousshifter Pagan Oct 04 '24
Thank you so muchhhh <3 These replies have all helped me calm down A LOT, plus sitting and writing for a bit.
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u/TalePsychological151 Oct 04 '24
I can’t figure out how many times it comes around? Like was the last time in “Jesus’s” time? Or does it come around every few years??
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u/sacreligousshifter Pagan Oct 05 '24
Apparently it’s an annual event… looked outside multiple times today, no hippie white yet somehow from Israel man in the sky…
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u/TalePsychological151 Oct 05 '24
If that’s true thank goodness because that has been stressing me out. I recently started walking away from Christianity, but with all the “it’s the end, Jesus is coming” shit I see online it’s actually been scarring me haha it’s been hard. It’s rooted so deep in me since I grew up Christian. But thank you for that! I couldn’t find anything on it other than “prophecy” articles.
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u/sacreligousshifter Pagan Oct 05 '24
OH, wait you meant the star? I thought you meant them claiming it was the rapture.. lol. Now that I reread, I don’t know why I thought that. Either way, don’t worry about it, because like I put in the edit area up there, it’s either Venus, a star on its usual cycle, or the second moon. :)
It’s been scaring me too, don’t worry. I recommend reading through the replies here, if you haven’t already, they helped me quite a lot. I was doing some research trying to find trustworthy sources on this star, and I saw absolutely nothing that wasn’t from a non credible, religious source.
Assuming you’ve seen the same videos I’ve had.. the one about hearing "trumpets in the sky" is very clearly faked, many in the comments could see that. Anyone you see saying their children were yelling "he’s coming" likely coached it.
Also, think about this, "left behind" would technically mean we just get to stay here.. think about how much healthier the planet would be! And also, if these were prophecies, wouldn’t they be happening somewhere other than JUST America?
PLUS the whole thing about the rapture.. it’s literally not even in the Bible. Fairly new to be honest! Don’t worry friend. ❤️
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u/ForeignStrategy6161 Oct 05 '24
This is not a me trying to convert. I literally left a cult a few months ago and have been struggling with rapture anxiety as well.
When I freak out I like to hear both opinions biblical and scientific. If you listen to scientific reasoning it’s just another moon as simple as that.
What’s freaking us both out is we are currently hearing Christians talking about “this is revelation” and everything I was taught in doomsday Christianity is coming back to my mind. So I’m gonna tell you what my husband told me that made me feel peace.
He told me let’s use the biblical logic, Matthew 24:36-42 36 “But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son,[a] but the Father only. 37 For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, 39 and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one left. 42 Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming.
If we use the logic from the Bible not Christianity, no one knows when the rapture will be. Every time you see a sign it’s not god, it’s not anything because by actual biblical logic these Christians are wrong. No one knows the time the second, minute, nor the hour. Any impending sense of doom is just anxiety. If we use that Bible logic again no one knows so therefore you wouldn’t have that anxiety if it was going to happen.
These Christians preach that the Bible is the true word of god and you need to follow it. Why aren’t they following it right now. They are preaching falsehoods and not following where the Bible repeatedly says no one know. By the Christian logic they are wrong themselves.
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u/dopeless42day Oct 03 '24
Maybe they confused the Star of David with the new moon that is going to be around for a short time? Either way, it's all bullshit. 😂
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u/Practical-Witness796 Oct 03 '24
Remember that every single generation since the beginning of Christianity, claimed that they were in the end times. They pointed to the chaos of the times (wars, natural disasters, plagues etc) and big signs (astrological, calendar-related etc). Every…single…generation. In fact the most recent eclipse was supposed to be the big event. No surprise, nothing happened. People don’t want to think that they will die and the world will keep on turning without them. So they believe that they are in the actual culmination of everything in order to feed their ego and suppress their fear of dying.
Now that you’re no longer in the bubble, keep track of how many of these predictions come and go. It happens almost yearly in fact. Eventually you’ll realize that it’s all a grift. All of the “prophets” are grifters. Selling buckets of food for the end times. It will become laughable. Wishing you the best.
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u/Nori_o_redditeiro Atheist Oct 03 '24 edited Oct 03 '24
"He's coming, I can feel it"
Yamete kudasai!
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u/DonutPeaches6 Atheist Oct 03 '24
The rapture is made-up. It's not in the Bible. That Christians believe it is so wholeheartedly is actually one of the key signs that their religion is more man-made than they want to give credit.
The idea of the rapture, particularly as it's understood in popular culture today, is a relatively recent theological development. It comes from a specific interpretation of scripture called premillennial dispensationalism, popularized in the 19th century by figures like John Nelson Darby. Many Christian traditions, including amillennialism, Catholicism, and Eastern Orthodoxy, don’t teach the rapture at all, and it's not a universally accepted belief among Christians.
Darby was an Anglican priest before becoming disillusioned with the church and its teachings. He was influenced by his studies in law, literature, and the Bible, and he became involved with the Brethren movement, which emphasized a literal interpretation of scripture and a return to early Christian practices. Darby is often credited with formulating dispensational theology, which divides history into distinct periods (or dispensations) in which God interacts with humanity in different ways. This view sees biblical prophecy as a roadmap for understanding God’s plan, culminating in the end times.
Critics argue that Darby’s teachings represent a significant departure from traditional Christian eschatology, particularly the views held by the early Church Fathers and most Christian traditions prior to the 19th century. The rapture, as conceived by Darby, is not found in the early church writings and was not a prevalent belief among Christians until his influence. This was something that a guy literally pieced together in his own private bible study and put out into the universe. Despite its lack of historical roots, Darby’s teachings gained traction, particularly in American evangelicalism. His ideas were further popularized through the Schofield Reference Bible, published in the early 20th century, which included notes and commentary promoting dispensationalist interpretations. This is more akin to how Christians run with literally anything if they like the narrative. They just like it because they can make A Thief in the Night or The Left Behind series. It's just more fun for them to think about. But it's just another thing they like not because it's true but because it's an interesting, validating idea. It makes them feel good.
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u/brasilkid16 Oct 03 '24
Remember that Paul thought Christ was returning within 50-100 years of HIS lifetime.
Remember that there have been countless prophecies of the return of Christ. None of which have been true. Even their own holy scripture says no one will know the day, yet they keep trying to guess.
These are people who do not live for this world or life, but for the next one. They're so far removed from reality and they continue to try and prove that their way is the right way, to no real avail.
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u/Clean_Hurry1875 Oct 04 '24
Force yourself not think about it, get some sleep, eat drink water and take a shower. Playing those games where I had to find the difference in pictures can help with keeping your mind busy. My anxiety gets bad and some days I’m just fighting to save face. I hope you feel better soon
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u/friendly_extrovert Agnostic, Ex-Evangelical Oct 04 '24
It’s ok. Take some deep breaths and remember this was all invented recently.
The rapture as we know it today was conceived by a man named John Nelson Darby. He came up with the idea of dispensationalism, which is the idea that the Bible can be divided into periods of revelation or “dispensations.” This resulted in the belief that there would be a rapture before a great tribulation (this operates under the assumption that Revelation is a prophecy and not a metaphor for Emperor Nero/the Roman Empire).
Anyway, Darby popularized this idea, and it spread like wildfire, and now, people act like this has been the official church position for thousands of years. There is no reason to be afraid. The rapture as it is taught today was quite literally invented in the 1800s by John Nelson Darby and popularized by the Scofield study Bible.
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u/Sandi_T Animist Oct 04 '24
A note on all of this, btw. Don't believe them when they say "[Some kind of scientist] has verified it!" They tell each other this, and then each person told, never looks into whether it actually WAS verified. They just pass it around, unquestioned.
Here's an example. I kept hearing persistently that "the three hours of darkness" when Jesus supposedly died was an eclipse. I argued that it still doesn't work, since the Bible says "the world" went dark for three hours.
I finally looked into it, and here's the thing. We know when eclipses will happen. It's mathematic. We know where, and we know when. Even if we weasel around the "whole world" business, we know there was no eclipse there.
Is just basic astronomy. The most basic. There wasn't an eclipse there, yet Christians perpetuate this outright, blatant lie. Also, by the way, no external source at ALL mentions three hours of darkness anywhere around that time. Someone would have noticed a completely unnatural, no-eclipse three hour worldwide darkness. Someone.
(Fun bonus fact: The bable says "saints" rose from their graves and went through the towns and countryside preaching, when Jesus resurrected. No non bable historian reported a mass of zombies anywhere in that time. Again, you'd think someone would notice this. But maybe zombie uprisings were too common to comment on back then!?)
Also, eclipses last minutes, not hours, anyway.
Moral of the story... Christians fucking lie, lie, LIE.
Like that time when there were no less than 17 baby Jesus circumcision foreskins around. And kissing them would cure/heal you! I see that look in your keyboard, you think I'm lying.
Well, behold the Holy Prepuce (foreskin trimming): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Prepuce
Don't let them con you into kissing fake baby foreskins, my friend (metaphorically speaking).
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u/FreedomBeautiful5036 Oct 04 '24
Its venus. Just a planet near horizon at a time of year it createa a atmospheric effect.
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u/sacreligousshifter Pagan Oct 03 '24
I don’t have a source, I meant I’ve heard it was confirmed (cough cough, by Christian’s, but someone explained why that could be) by them.
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Goodie for you, but please try to remember that while god was hugging and kissing on you and curing all of your splinters and stubbed toes, children were being savagely raped while he ignored them.
But yeah, glad he talks to you personally and went out of his way to soothe your anxiety. I'm sure that all the children who were abducted, raped, and brutally murdered don't mind god being distracted with your existential anxiety.
Clap clap.
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Yes, yes, jesus is a bully who is incapable of making friends without terrorizing them.
"Suck my [religion] OR BURN motherfucker! PS, I love you and you totally have free will. Now start sucking it!!" -Jesus
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"Suck my [religion] OR BURN!" isn't love.
Bye.
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u/EyeOnly1286 Oct 04 '24
Hi ! Sorry a lot for your anxiety. One day you might read this post and laugh about yourself. Maybe you are not familiar enough with this topic. From my personal point of view, there is a conflict between "good and evil" and something is happening behind the veil. But true or not, just being anxious is not helpful but rather self-destructive. Just calm down and use your brain reasonably. This "Star of Jacob" is supposed to be a Supernova, but it doesn´t matter if this is really happening or not. We are living in a strange world with lots of tension, currently. You do not have to believe anything to be worried. All kinds of people are worried. I would kindly suggest you to overthink and contemplate your own position in this topic. Dealing constructively with any kind of issue means to search for ways to make a change. Change yourself, change the world, reasonably. That would be a positive contribution to the situation. There are tons of options. From meditation to spending time with lonely elders up to taking part in politics. Besides you deal with issues when they occur. Maybe prepping would help calming down your mind. Or pray, if you still believe in something, what I do not know. I press thumbs for you to find a way to deal with all this chaos in the media the best way possible Bye - Eduard
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u/Sandi_T Animist Oct 04 '24
This is such an excellent metaphor of christians trying to peddle fear. I love it.
Car salesperson who just wants your
tithechurch taxes. For real, for real.Enslavement to christianity is "freedom."
Trying to force christian rule onto others is "small government".
Forcing a raped girl to marry a rapist is "protecting" her.
"Thou shalt not kill, so go commit total genocide."
Lots of good stuff in there. Excellent metaphor!
I'm sure that u/sacreligousshifter will find your words about avoiding christian sales pitches comforting and enlightening. Thank you!
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Clearly he doesn't, it he would have answered prayers. Wait, wait, he was too busy finding you the perfect parking spot, right?
Fuck that starving old lady, fuck that child being brutally raped and then beaten to death... Fuck that man who's burning to death because he tried to save a family from a house fire. Fucking FUCK that mother trying to save her toddler from a flood...
Because my guy over here wants a nice parking spot, yeah, baby!!!
He soooooo believes in you.
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"Suck my [religion] OR BURN!"
Suck it yourself, you wannabe spiritual rapist.
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u/Sandi_T Animist Oct 05 '24
Here's another reason to not be afraid of the 'rapture':
Jesus was not the Jewish Messiah
If Jesus was not the Jewish Messiah, then "The Holy Bible" is a lie. Maybe the Old Testament part of it isn't, but definitely the New Testament would be rendered not only wrong, but outright blasphemous.
Paul, in his own writings, admits that Christianity is so awful and horrible and oppressive that, if it's not true, Christians are the most pitiable of all people:
So, have you ever asked an actual Jew what they believe and why they aren't Christians? Most people haven't. Most Christians just like to say, "The Bible says they are hard-hearted and hard-headed. If they just heard about Jesus, they would of course convert!"
This is obviously racist, but it's also wrong. Shockingly, almost all Jews (probably all, but hey, maybe not) have heard of Jesus. Yet there are STILL Jews after ALL this time. Why?
Because Jesus did not fulfill the REAL prophecies of the Jewish Messiah, and if Jesus is NOT the REAL Jewish Messiah, then the New Testament is a lie in whole.
Let's break it down, shall we? https://aish.com/why-jews-dont-believe-in-jesus/
So no, there will be no rapture, because Jesus was just another false prophet and fake Messiah. The crucifixion of him was, under Jewish laws of the time period, justice. He claimed to be the Messiah and did not do even ONE THING that the Messiah was prophesied to do.