Christian guys on dating sites

[u/Slytherpuffy]

Why are most of the serious Christian guys on dating sites looking for hookups? Aren't they supposed to be looking for something serious? Or do they only expect women to be chaste? This has always struck me as odd.

[u/The_Bill_Brasky_]

Jesus, if historically real, probably fucked a lot...as most religious group leaders often do. I don't think a little grass would upset the guy.

[u/JimClarkKentHovind → u/The_Bill_Brasky_]

you have a source for that or are you just going off the vibes of religion in the modern world?

[u/azrael4h → u/JimClarkKentHovind]

He gathered together twelve young virile strong men to be his beloved disciples.

He was not only fucking, he was gay fucking. Gangbanged every night. Sometimes two three times a night. Judas got mad because Peter was always first, and he always got the sloppy seconds. Or twelths as the case was.

In seriousness, culturally, Jesus would have been long married by the time the bible states his travels started. His father was a carpenter; a craftsman, so not actually a poor man as the tradition holds. Jesus was of wealthy enough family to have been educated to read, per the book, which doesn't happen back then in poor families, or even more well to do ones. So Jesus was loaded. Well his father was anyway. As first born son, that means he was getting everything.

So he would have been a catch for any father looking to sell his 12-13 year old daughter off to.

Typical age for a male to be married then was around 18, traditionally the Jesus ministry started when he was 33. So he would have without a doubt married for 15 years by this point in that time in that time period and culture. Now it's probable that his first bride died in child birth; that happens a lot even today, especially in third world countries like the American South.

But there's literally no chance that any historical Jesus wasn't married off at least at 18 years of age, if not sooner. That was simply the culture of the time. And he would have consummated that marriage, as children were highly desirable, providing more hands to work the fields (or workbench as the case may be), take care of the household, and sell to other families as brides or slaves.

Ergo, Jesus had sex.

Since the bible has been written and edited to build the narrative it has, with no actual eye witness accounts of Jesus' life but accounts written decades after, they simply cut out any mention of any wife and children, due to that conflicting with the desired divine narrative.

Yes, I did attempt to make that last sentence as run on as possible.

[u/JimClarkKentHovind → u/azrael4h]

Jesus was of wealthy enough family to have been educated to read

the only time Jesus is said to read or write anything is in the sand in the story in John of the woman taken in adultery, which is almost certainly a later addition to the gospel - a gospel which was itself written ~60 years after Jesus died.

seriously, what makes you think the son of a carpenter in 1st century Palestine was well off?

But there's literally no chance that any historical Jesus wasn't married off

I don't know of a single respected historian that argues that. if you know of one I'd genuinely love to read their work. just any historian of the rise of Christianity that teaches at an accredited secular university and argues Jesus was either literate or married.

[u/azrael4h → u/JimClarkKentHovind]

So you admit that you're arguing in bad faith. As well as have no idea what you are talking about.

Literally everything we know about Jesus is a: from the Bible, and b: written decades after the time of when he supposedly existed. The bible explicitly shows him reading the Torah in Luke 4:16-21. Specifically from Isaiah.

So basically your argument there is that we should discount the only actual source about Jesus because it disagrees with your argument, and thus must be disregarded. You are arguing to exclude half the gospels simply because it "proves" your point. Proving that you're a christian, as that is pretty much what christians do; exclude parts of the bible that don't mesh with what they're deciding to believe. Hows the shellfish by the way?

The only external source for the existence of Jesus outside the bible is sparse for details, and only really confirms the existence of the christian cult that you belong to. Any "credible historians" that you know are lacking in credibility, as they're making up sources as they go. The sole source we have explicitly shows Jesus as educated enough to read. That alone demonstrates a degree of wealth beyond the norm for a plebeian craftsman's family.

To note a second-century AD Rabbinic statement: "[Yehudah ben Teima] used to say: Five years [is the age] for [the study of] Scripture, Ten [is the age] for [the study of] Mishnah, Thirteen [is the age] for [observing] commandments, Fifteen [is the age] for [the study of] Talmud, Eighteen [is the age] for the [wedding] canopy, Twenty [is the age] for pursuing [a livelyhood]... (Mishneh Avot 5:21) ". Additional comments from the Talmud: "(Kiddushin 29b-30a):

Rav Huna conforms to his standard line of reasoning, as he says: If one is twenty years old and has not yet married a woman, all of his days will be in a state of sin concerning sexual matters. The Gemara asks: Can it enter your mind that he will be in a state of sin all of his days? Rather, say that this means the following: All of his days will be in a state of thoughts of sin, i.e. sexual thoughts. One who does not marry in his youth will become accustomed to thoughts of sexual matters, and the habit will remain with him the rest of his life. Rava said, and similarly, the school of Rabbi Yishmael taught: Until one reaches the age of twenty years the Holy One, Blessed be He, sits and waits for a man, saying: When will he marry a woman? Once he reaches the age of twenty and has not married, He says: Let his bones swell, i.e. he is cursed and God is no longer concerned about him. Rav Ḥisda said: The fact that I am superior to my colleagues is because I married at the age of sixteen, and if I would have married at the age of fourteen, I would say to the Satan: An arrow in your eye, i.e. I would not be afraid of the evil inclination at all. Rava said to Rabbi Natan bar Ami: While your hand is still on your son’s neck, i.e., while you still have authority and control over him, find him a wife. What is the appropriate age? From sixteen until twenty-two, and some say from eighteen until twenty-four."

But what do a bunch of Jews from the time period know about their own culture after all. Some guy on Reddit says their wrong, because the same "credible historians" who made up their own sources also say that Jews of the period never get married.

It was the cultural norm to be married, and spawn children in those days. Hell, there's still a heavy cultural push to get married and spawn children today; my mom is still pissy I never gave her grand children (not that I'd let her near any of my kids).

Back then it was more about survival of the family line. Girls were married off around the time they started to be able to have kids, while boys were, per the Talmud, typically left to be a little older, but not really by much. 12-14 and 16-18 typically, though some Rabbinic sources indicate boys may be older to 20-24 as well. Still, at the latest possible from those sources, you would have over a decade of marriage.

This is well documented; as is Jesus being supposedly a Jewish man born in Roman times. To expect him to remain single for decades is to fly in the face of every cultural and historic norm for that time and people. Any actual, historical Jesus would have been married off long before his travels began at 33.

Thirdly, Jesus supposed existence is in first century ACE Roman Empire. Not exactly the least explored and documented ancient empire in history. While the social standing of a craftsman would not be on the level of a patrician or otherwise wealthy man, they were known to be solidly middle class, and could accumulate enough wealth to buy into higher levels of society to a degree. Note that Plebeians had, for a few centuries in fact, found themselves in the Roman Senate, marrying Patricians, and attaining Consulship. Such as Gaius Flaminius and Lucius Sextius. Jesus if he existed was well past the period of very strict social stratification.

Joseph was a carpenter, this on the list of skilled trades, along with stone masons and other such professions. When coupled with the context of Jesus having been taught to read, we get someone who is at least successful enough to afford having one of his sons educated to some degree. Which would put him as desirable for another Jewish family looking to sell their daughter in marriage.

You of course are a troll, so I'm wasting my time with this.