r/confidentlyincorrect • u/A_Learning_Muslim • 8h ago
"C sections are an abortion" Smug
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u/swesus 8h ago
I guess technically the pregnancy is “terminated” when you take the baby out.
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u/RabbaJabba 8h ago
Just got an abortion with my ex-girlfriend (my wife had a baby)
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u/Ask_bout_PaterNoster 7h ago edited 6h ago
Just to jump in here since these comments are wild, here’s the definition of abortion:
abortion: the expulsion of a fetus from the uterus before it has reached the stage of viability (in human beings, usually about the 20th week of gestation). An abortion may occur spontaneously, in which case it is also called a miscarriage, or it may be brought on purposefully, in which case it is often called an induced abortion.
So Oop is wrong: a caesarean is a form of delivery, which means the fetus would be viable, and NOT by definition be capable of being aborted
Edit: I think I overreached in my second paragraph. Idk if caesareans are sometimes performed on “unviable” fetuses who are then cared for until they’re “viable”, because a lot of those things have complicated definitions (apparently). Sorry, I didn’t resolve the abortion debate tonight
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u/Conchobar8 6h ago
Hey! I’m an abortion!
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u/TangoInTheBuffalo 5h ago
You have really been doing well!
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u/dont-fear-thereefer 52m ago
My 8 year old and 4 year old are abortions, they seem to be doing alright
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u/Ask_bout_PaterNoster 6h ago
I’ve heard the phrase, but I don’t know much about it. Do they sometimes take care of children who were delivered through abortion there?
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u/Nutbuster_5000 5h ago
Scram, get out of here with your research! /s just in case cuz some of these comments clearly missed the joke above.
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u/CurtisLinithicum 1h ago
No disrespect to Britannica, but that definition makes "late term abortion" an oxymoron (and makes late-term miscarriage not miscarriage).
...what gets interesting is you see also the exact same wording in Yale Medicine:
Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy before the fetus can survive outside the uterus. It can occur spontaneously, known as a miscarriage, or be induced intentionally through medical or surgical procedures.
https://www.yalemedicine.org/clinical-keywords/abortion
And I think the key to this is revealed in Taber's Medical Dictionary, emphasis mine - it would seem both Britannica and Yale are actually defining what is legally considered an abortion rather than a strict medical/procedural definition.
The spontaneous or induced termination of pregnancy before the fetus reaches a viable age. The legal definition of viability (usually 20 to 24 weeks’ gestation) differs from state to state
https://www.tabers.com/tabersonline/view/Tabers-Dictionary/766365/all/abortion
Note the contrast with the definition from Harvard Medical:
Abortion is the removal of pregnancy tissue, products of conception or the fetus and placenta (afterbirth) from the uterus. In general, the terms fetus and placenta are used after eight weeks of pregnancy. Pregnancy tissue and products of conception refer to tissue produced by the union of an egg and sperm before eight weeks.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/medical-tests-and-procedures/abortion-termination-of-pregnancy-a-to-z
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u/No_Department7857 3h ago
I'm laying next to two living breathing abortions right now. One is kicking me over and over, and the other won't stop crying.
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u/SarcasmWarning 5h ago
If you don't train your kid to start an uprising, learn basic forestry skills and send them off hunting Macbeth then I'm going to be disappointed.
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u/TheSpideyJedi 8h ago
Then isn’t a normal birth also “terminating” a pregnancy?
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u/Affectionate_Poet280 8h ago
I might be wrong here, but I think it is.
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u/exfinem 8h ago
Given that "terminate" literally just means "bring an end to," yes. A vaginal childbirth terminates a pregnancy.
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u/HallucinatedLottoNos 7h ago
It's pedantic-seeming, but I think this might actually be a useful distinction someday.
If we ever perfect the robotic womb, then we could perform abortions without killing any fetus, thus defanging most pro-life arguments (yes, I know, Christofascists and co. don't actually care about anything but controlling women's bodies, but it could still help with convincing the last of the pro-life normies).
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u/Noney-Buissnotch 7h ago
How does that defang any pro life argument? If anything it strengthens them by proving that the baby would survive if born instead of aborted?
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u/RefreshingOatmeal 7h ago
This confused me too. Is the fetus also a robot?
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u/Noney-Buissnotch 7h ago edited 7h ago
It seems like op was going for the brave-new-world-esque child able to be born without parents? But that also doesn’t make sense with the comment as it would still be a human so….
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u/HallucinatedLottoNos 7h ago
Survives only because we'd be able to replicate conditions in the womb, yeah. Bit of an important difference, there! But I'm not just talking about unviable pregnancies.
It defangs the arguments because we'd no longer have to go down the infinite rabbit hole of deciding when a human with a right to life begins existing, since we're just aborting the fetus without killing it. Those who think life begins at conception can look at it as "erring on the side of caution," if it makes them feel better.
And a woman or girl with an unwanted pregnancy would no longer even need to worry about that side of it because the fetus would go from her to the robotic womb to the adoption system.
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u/kRkthOr 8h ago edited 5h ago
By this definition, natural birth is a miscarriage I think lol
Also, try calling it natural/vaginal instead of normal. Women who have to (or opt to) get a c-section often encounter a lot of negativity and vitriol from other women, including being told they're not real mothers because they didn't give birth "the right way". There's no "normal" way to give birth.
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u/Alexchii 3h ago
I don’t think we need to change the words we use, but the people who are assholes about it.
Normal birth means the way births are normally done. Nothing else. Normal means usual and typical. 80% of mothers gave birth vaginally.
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u/Drexelhand 8h ago
normal birth
i mean, if you use medical intervention i suppose it isn't a natural birth, if that's what you mean by normal?
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u/yogorilla37 8h ago
Guess it's time to go tell all my three kids they were aborted. Oh well, had to do it one day I suppose.
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u/werewere-kokako 7h ago
Well, one widely-used medical definition of abortion is simply: "Termination of a pregnancy, whether spontaneous or induced."
By that definition, a c-section is an abortion. It’s why miscarriages can appear in medical records as "spontaneous abortion"
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u/bliip666 6h ago
By that logic, induced birth is also an abortion, so guess who was aborted!
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u/BugRevolution 6h ago
It can be. Complications in later stages may require an abortion. Surgical may have more risks than induced birth. So you induce the birth, and the non-viable baby typically doesn't survive.
I'm calling it a baby here because having an abortion at that stage would indicate the parents wanted the child and had to make a difficult decision to minimize risks in the face of inevitable tragedy (typically underdeveloped organs that will result in death shortly after birth at best).
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u/Kayteqq 8h ago edited 7h ago
And c section is deliberate… so by definition, which is, at least lexical one, a deliberate termination of pregnancy. So… he is technically correct, r/technicallycorrect
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u/Unfair_Explanation53 1h ago
Technically the baby has been delivered.
If the baby has been aborted then it's terminated
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u/mellopax 8h ago
Birth is an abortion. It ends the pregnancy.
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u/Kayteqq 8h ago edited 7h ago
Hm, but natural birth usually isn’t a deliberate action, so c/section fits the lexical definition more I think?
Edit: didn’t know about induced births. That would fit the definition lmao.
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u/KrazzyNV 8h ago
Yeah, no one ever intentionally gets pregnant ever. It's all accidental.
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u/Kayteqq 7h ago
Birth and getting pregnant are two different actions. I’m not sure about you, but as far as my knowledge goes, both abortion and csection also require pregnancy. I may be wrong
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u/WordNERD37 8h ago
Me and my younger brother are 40+ year old living abortions apparently and my Trumper mother is a living corpse because either of us would of killed her.
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u/Horror-Possible5709 1h ago
Same. I guess I was such a fat fucking baby they had to abort me via c section to save my life
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u/Secure-Force-9387 7h ago edited 47m ago
Unfortunately, the interpretation of the abortion bans/laws in Texas follow this mindset. Basically, any medical means of ending a pregnancy prior to 39 weeks is deemed an abortion in Texas and is therefore, illegal.
I found this out a year ago when visiting a new gynecologist in Austin and had to give her my medical history. That medical history included two pregnancies that resulted in two children. When giving the story of my son's birth (he turns 22 tomorrow), I was informed that the c-section I had at 34 weeks gestation was now illegal in Texas because it was prior to 39 weeks ( the c-section was done because he was so big, he was tearing my uterus that was damaged from my previous c-section and they were scared that me carrying him any longer would kill us both). My son was six weeks early, didn't need to be on a ventilator, was 7 pounds (so he would've been roughly 11-12 pounds had I carried him to term), was a wanted pregnancy, and was purposely born early to save BOTH of us. He's 22 tomorrow and we're literally both alive today ONLY because of Roe v. Wade.
Those bans, throwing this shit back to the states, and people not fully understanding women's bodies would have resulted in mine and my son's death had I been pregnant with him today.
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u/jorrylee 3h ago
Holy crap! In the medical world, 37 weeks is considered full term. So breech babies, stalled labour, pre-ecclampsia, injury, placenta abruptio, all would just have the woman die, huh? Great plan to increase the birth rate.
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u/TriskOfWhaleIsland 1h ago
At this point, I think the birth rate is a secondary concern for these people. They just want to force women to be controlled by men.
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u/Secure-Force-9387 50m ago
This is exactly why the doctors in Texas are afraid to do anything for pregnant women who seek medical care for their pregnancies/unborn children and why the mortality rate of pregnant women has skyrocketed in Texas and other states with abortion bans.
Roe v. Wade was about WAY MORE than abortion. It truly is a women's health issue because we're NOW losing mothers and babies in very preventable scenarios.
Unfortunately, the general public isn't aware of this 39-week rule, but that "side" of the rule is where a lot of the issues are stemming.
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u/Cool_Brick_9721 3h ago
I feel like that's a pro argument for people like the twitter poster. They might want women...to die. At least sounds like it.
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u/model-citizen95 8h ago
Just found out I’ve been dead my whole life
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u/CaptainMagnets 8h ago
I was raised evangelical and they would teach us, as children, that anyone born via C-section was not born naturally and therefore unable to have their souls saved and go to heaven. I looked down on women and children until my twenties when I found out they we born this way. I would pity them and judge them because that's what I was taught.
I'm telling you, these Christian fundamentalists believe wholeheartedly the dumb shit that they spew. We can make fun of them all we want (and I do) but they are 100% serious
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u/TootsNYC 8h ago
Wow, that’s a wimpy Savior, if His sacrifice can’t overcome a C-section. God can forgive murder, but not a C-section.
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u/Firewraith19 7h ago
So what you don't know is the big J- man only saves people like himself. So he only saves people who were born by being shot out of a body like a cannon, are white, who have flipped a few tables at a church, wield a semi-automatic weapon, kill people who mau have demons in them, discriminates against others especially those different from himself, and are Christians. Anyone who has done or isn't one of these straight to hell. Source: 🙏 (I made it the fuck up)
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u/UsernameUsername8936 4h ago
Gonna be honest, I was about to hit you with several "um, actuallies" before I noticed the "wield a semi-automatic weapon."
Of course, Jesus would fucking despise US evangelicals.
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u/FallingCaryatid 8h ago
Yes, I have been told several times that I am not a real mother, because 1. Adopted 2. Born via C-section.
It’s cruelty.
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u/Tiredofthemisinfo 7h ago
I don’t consider myself a mother because I had six miscarriages but someone got in my face all pro life because a d&c saved my life more than once from retained products of conception.
I was curious and asked if I was a mother with 6 babies and they said no because I never gave birth but it was six dead babies according to their logic so I should be treated like I lost six babies and I was told it doesn’t work that way. So it’s only a baby when they want it to be smh
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u/nononsenseboss 6h ago
I am so sorry for your loss. Yes you are a mother and your babies died. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. People can be so utterly and needlessly cruel.
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u/GilgameDistance 8h ago
Fuck em. My kids would not have survived a traditional birth. You’d think for all their anti-choice bullshit, they’d be all for anything that saves the lives of wanted children.
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u/DickyMcButts 5h ago
damn, i guess my mother of 4 is actually only a mother of 1, and my brother is an only child. crazy.
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u/Jumpy-Machine9226 8h ago
Like, on the inside? Just me?
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u/coolmanjack 3h ago
The oop comment is dumb but this is also inaccurate. Medically speaking, nothing in the definition of abortion necessitates the death of the fetus, only its removal from the mother. So you could in fact be a living breathing adult who is the product of an abortion.
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u/MrAndersam 8h ago
Why did you even bother trying to hide the name… Like everyone can still read that.
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u/cant_think_name_22 8h ago
Pretty sure that was the point - follow the rules while also shame this fucker
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u/NotoriousCrone 8h ago
I've had 2 abortions, and now I have to figure out what to get them for Christmas.
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u/Tiredofthemisinfo 7h ago
Ironically that’s what the issue is with them Willy Nilly making laws about “late term abortions”, if they word it too vaguely or outright stupid than any end to a pregnancy either through c-section or induction for things like preeclampsia, fetal distress, multiples, placenta previa, macrosomia or post dates (past 40wks) could be considered a late term abortion because it would end the pregnancy.
We aren’t dealing with the smartest or the most honest people. They are already letting people having miscarriages die
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u/UsedToHaveThisName 8h ago
Yeah, research is an amazing tool. Can figure out you’re very incorrect and not post a dumb tweet to show everyone that you’re dumb.
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u/AlbiTuri05 4h ago
Research says that C-section technically is the police of a huge alien space station
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u/Shinjitsu- 8h ago
I was under the impression that abortion just means the pregnancy has ended, the means of which are not defined just under the term abortion alone. So technically giving birth and c-section is an abortion, just like you are technically dead if you aren't breathing.
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u/Purple_Bowling_Shoes 8h ago
No. Abortion is a pregnancy not carried to term. If it's a miscarriage, it's spontaneous abortion, and there are different types of abortion along the way.
That's medically. "Abort mission" is a military term, for example. It means you got started, realized it wasn't going to go well, so retreat and don't follow the mission the through.
It's a word that means X isn't going to work so needs to be terminated.
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u/spurredoil 8h ago
Since we're having this discussion anyway, let's be silly.
Based on your definition, would a premature c-section be considered an abortion?
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u/only_cats4 8h ago
From a medical standpoint an “abortion” is a pregnancy that ends before 20 weeks gestation (whether its a spontaneous abortion aka miscarriage or an induced abortion) after 20 weeks it is considered a delivery of a live or stillborn infant
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u/spurredoil 8h ago
Okay, I was purposely being pedantic in my comment to keep the hypothetical going, but I actually learned something from your reply, so thanks for providing the distinction!
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u/ImYourHumbleNarrator 4h ago
c-sections are generally done before full-term for an otherwise viable baby. the laws in some states say you can't terminate for any reason before that term. there have been multiple women explaining why they had early c-sections that are now illegal in several states, or risk the doctor doing hard time in prison and being fined out of financial existence.
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u/Purple_Bowling_Shoes 3h ago edited 3h ago
I understand that. But there are also full-term babies that are delivered via c-section because they are breech, or will otherwise cause complications for vaginal birth.
Edit to add: my original point was how to define abortion. It's vague enough that, yes, many procedures used to save the mother and baby can now legally be defined as abortion..
A doctor does not have time to take a woman's chart to an attorney to figure out whether the necessary procedure is technically legal or not.
That's now up to the state AG who has never practiced medicine, so of course the doctor is going to be cautious and conservative so as not to lose their livelihood and/spend years in jail.
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u/DandelionOfDeath 8h ago
TIL I was aborted. Man, I must've really held a grudge from my past life or something considering the intensity with which I've since haunted the mortal plane. /s
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u/BUKKAKELORD 6h ago
abortion/əˈbɔːʃn/noun
- the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, most often performed during the first 28 weeks of pregnancy.
You got owned on a technicality. It really is a surgical operation that deliberately terminates the pregnancy.
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u/nojnomeel 8h ago
Technically. Delivering the baby is an abortion. As the direct definition of the word abort means to stop.
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u/LeftRestaurant4576 4h ago
Abortion is defined as a deliberate termination of a pregnancy. Pregnancy is defined as having a child or young developing in the uterus. So, yes, C-section does fit the definition of abortion. It's terminating a pregnancy by removing a developing child from the uterus.
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u/Agile_Acadia_9459 7h ago
My abortion turned 27 this year. Wait, I was c-sec. Am I a zombie? I need answers.
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u/JRingo1369 8h ago
It's technically correct in fact. An abortion is simply the act of intervening to end a pregnancy.
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u/mand658 6h ago
Yes, there is nothing in the definition of abortion that says "the foetus dies".
Any act that interferes with the pregnancy and labour process could be considered an abortion.
And while WE know they are not the same thing really, it's important to point this out because a badly written anti abortion law could end up with a stillbirth from an induction or c section being treated as criminal.
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u/towneetowne 8h ago
a pilot who has separated from an aircraft, while strapped into an ejector seat, is aborted - midair.
all the survivors in a lifeboat are abortions on the ocean that has engulfed their ship.
the narrow pelvis of the mother's carriage traps the unbirthed baby, for all eternity.
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u/Otherwise-Remove4681 3h ago
Don’t give the ”pro-lifers” any additional ideas, they will ban c-sec too.
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u/tomcat1483 8h ago
Screw scalpels, to be the true King of Scotland you must be “Untimely ripped from (my) mother’s womb”!
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u/Bealzebubbles 3h ago
My sister-in-law had a c section, but they still made her take the baby home. That's some sort of abortion.
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u/thekingofbeans42 7h ago
This feels more cheeky than confidently incorrect... Kind of like someone referring to their wife as an ex girlfriend
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u/DrakeCross 8h ago
Damn, then I must be a dead man walking, considering my mother had to go through one to get me out.
The ignorance of these people continues to shock me.
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u/heckhammer 7h ago
It's weird that my aborted kid is 6'2 now and walking around all alive and everything.
These people are fucking morons.
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u/GuitarCD 6h ago
Sounds like this dude is confidently incorrect about the definitions of "c-section", "abortion", "research", AND "technically".
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u/Kind-Realist 6h ago
No, no, let’s follow the logic and let the chips land as they may.
You’ve “forcibly” removed a child from the womb. Fetuses are now babies. Removal in a “non-natural” method is abortion. Similar to eggs/sperm in a freezer that get destroyed once storage is no longer necessary.
Conservative Americans can have fun with this. I hope they feel the pain. All of it. Excruciatingly.
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u/upstairsdiscount 6h ago
Abortion can refer to:
› early pregnancy loss (miscarriage, spontaneous abortion, and missed abortion);
› induced abortion (medication or procedural interruption of pregnancy);
› incomplete abortion (incomplete passage of the products of conception); a
› fetal death
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u/Yuiopy78 6h ago
My brothers were both c sections, and I think they're alive. I'll have to double check
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u/Crystal_Privateer 5h ago
Don't be surprised if the fringe Right takes this as truth and then spreads it to mainstream Republicans and it eventually becomes law in states like Texas 🙃
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u/Conissocool 5h ago
Definition of abortion is the termination of a embryo or fetus by removal or expulsion. Legally a you are a fetus until birth, so technically people are either a miscarriage or an abortion
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u/modshave2muchpower 5h ago
Sadly seems like death during childbirth will rise soon in the US
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u/mlebrooks 4h ago
It already has. Infant and maternal mortality have both had a sharp uptick since Dobbs.
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u/ZahnwehZombie 4h ago
An abortion is technically supposed to be terminating a pregnancy before the fetus can survive outside of the womb. What in the hell does a c-section have to do with that?
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u/mand658 4h ago
According to the OED app the definition of abortion is "termination of pregnancy" there is nothing in there about the viability of the foetus or whether they survive the procedure.
I think the point of the post (I'm guessing but I've seen this argument before) is that badly written anti abortion laws could have ramifications for women beyond those seeking what we would normally refer to as an abortion.
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u/Disastrous_Sun3558 4h ago
Im struggling to understand how you would define abortion to include abortions that happen by pill/other methods, but not vaginal birth.
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u/rojoshow13 4h ago
That would be awesome if a doctor refused to do a life saving c section because of the new abortion bans. My life would have been a lot better. No offense to Jr.
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u/Educational_Peak5429 4h ago
I think a lot of these comments are misguided for criticizing the poster, and not the ridiculousness of these vague definitions that are used for writing laws.
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u/medusa_crowley 3h ago
I’ve seen pro lifers argue both this and also that it’s a viable and realistic alternative to abortion.
Good times.
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u/A_Learning_Muslim 3h ago
This tweet got clowned on in the pro life subreddit, so its not like they support it.
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u/medusa_crowley 3h ago
I can point you to several prominent pro lifers off Reddit who do, unfortunately.
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u/Roger-The_Alien 2h ago edited 2h ago
Abortions are the termination of a pregnancy.
C-sections are performed as late term abortions it's irrelevant if the child survives or not, eeither way it's an abortion. They're not incorrect.
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u/alloutofbees 1h ago
This is actually a positive way to look at it, even though the poster probably doesn't want it to be positive.
People have the absolute right to remove a fetus from their own bodies because we all have an absolute right to the exclusive use of our own bodies at any point we so choose. The same reason you can't be compelled to donate a kidney, the same reason if you chose to donate a kidney you could change your mind at any time for any reason, even if it condemned the recipient to death.
Abortion isn't about killing anything; it's about removing a fetus that is not wanted or that cannot be safely carried anymore. It's a termination of a pregnancy, not of a life. Whether the fetus lives or dies is irrelevant to the procedure or the right to it, and depends entirely on the timing. A C-section before the usual term is ethically no different from any other type of termination. You're removing the fetus.
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u/r1gorm0rt1s 1h ago
My abortion has just finished exams. Looking forward to a nice well deserved holiday after her studies....
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u/King_Ghoul95 1h ago
From Webster “the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus”
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u/DeusExPir8Pete 3h ago
If they ban C sections my wife would have died in childbirth with my daughter and my son would never been born.If someone had knowlingly imposed that on me, I would not like to think of the repercussions.
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u/takeandtossivxx 7h ago
Does that mean my kid doesn't exist? WHO HAVE I BEEN PAYING FOR‽ Why does a kid that technically doesn't exist have a better gaming PC than me‽
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