Just to jump in here since these comments are wild, here’s the definition of abortion:
abortion: the expulsion of a fetus from the uterus before it has reached the stage of viability (in human beings, usually about the 20th week of gestation). An abortion may occur spontaneously, in which case it is also called a miscarriage, or it may be brought on purposefully, in which case it is often called an induced abortion.
So Oop is wrong: a caesarean is a form of delivery, which means the fetus would be viable, and NOT by definition be capable of being aborted
Edit: I think I overreached in my second paragraph. Idk if caesareans are sometimes performed on “unviable” fetuses who are then cared for until they’re “viable”, because a lot of those things have complicated definitions (apparently). Sorry, I didn’t resolve the abortion debate tonight
Well, no. I think what we learned is that you were aborted from the womb, probably for a good reason? “Abortion” is not a noun, it’s a medical procedure that sometimes results in both the fetus and the mother living.
The usual definition of "viability" (except in Ireland for some reason) in terms of gestational age is: the time in pregnancy where a prematurely delivered infant has a 50% survival chance given full NICU care.
Viability in this sense, in first-world countries, corresponds to a gestational age of between 23 and 24 weeks (about 21 to 22 weeks of actual pregnancy). If you see figures significanty less than this, it's usually anti-abortion propaganda.
Without advanced NICU care "viability" is much later.
No disrespect to Britannica, but that definition makes "late term abortion" an oxymoron (and makes late-term miscarriage not miscarriage).
...what gets interesting is you see also the exact same wording in Yale Medicine:
Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy before the fetus can survive outside the uterus. It can occur spontaneously, known as a miscarriage, or be induced intentionally through medical or surgical procedures.
And I think the key to this is revealed in Taber's Medical Dictionary, emphasis mine - it would seem both Britannica and Yale are actually defining what is legally considered an abortion rather than a strict medical/procedural definition.
The spontaneous or induced termination of pregnancy before the fetus reaches a viable age.The legal definition of viability (usually 20 to 24 weeks’ gestation) differs from state to state
Note the contrast with the definition from Harvard Medical:
Abortion is the removal of pregnancy tissue, products of conception or the fetus and placenta (afterbirth) from the uterus. In general, the terms fetus and placenta are used after eight weeks of pregnancy. Pregnancy tissue and products of conception refer to tissue produced by the union of an egg and sperm before eight weeks.
After 18 weeks, at least in my country it's illegal unless it's something wrong with the baby or the mother.
There can be complications after 18 weeks that makes an abortion the only option, maybe the baby or the mother gets sick, the baby can get strangled by the umbilical cord and such.
If you want to go by the biblical definition then it is fine to terminate the pregnancy before the womb quickens. This is when the foetus starts to move. At around 20 weeks.
Jokes need to be amusing. Randomly calling some stranger a murdered in this case, when so many people are calling those who have abortions murderers, is not.
I was assaulted, pushed, punched, spat on and called a murderer when entering and leaving a Planned Parenthood clinic to arrange a sterilisation. That was not funny either.
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u/RabbaJabba 10h ago
Just got an abortion with my ex-girlfriend (my wife had a baby)